Desmolicious wrote:
TY So I think I already have that covered with my Summicron DR, right?
Yes, they have the exact same optical formula. I believe I shared a comparison between the Elcan and Rigid on this thread. If you're looking for a slightly more modern look, the current 50/2 Cron (version 5) is also a great choice, as suggested.
Both Elcan and Cron v5 focus down to 0.7m.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, they have the exact same optical formula. I believe I shared a comparison between the Elcan and Rigid on this thread. If you're looking for a slightly more modern look, the current 50/2 Cron (version 5) is also a great choice, as suggested.
Both Elcan and Cron v5 focus down to 0.7m.
I already have the v5, as well as the DR. Was just wondering if there was any reason for me to get an Elcan apart from GAS. Which frankly for me is the only reason!
I really like the Elcan size, but I also have the CV Color Skopar 50 2.5 which is v small.
Desmolicious wrote:
I already have the v5, as well as the DR. Was just wondering if there was any reason for me to get an Elcan apart from GAS. Which frankly for me is the only reason!
I really like the Elcan size, but I also have the CV Color Skopar 50 2.5 which is v small.
The Elcan wins on price and size. It's one of the smallest 50/2 lenses. It's also very well built and has a large focusing tab.
Fred Miranda wrote:
The Elcan wins on price and size. It's one of the smallest 50/2 lenses. It's also very well built and has a large focusing tab.
It's also available in LTM for Barnack users which is why I picked up a copy. Are there any Leica lenses that match or have similar rendering to the Summicron DR/Rigid in LTM mount?
ZacP wrote:
It's also available in LTM for Barnack users which is why I picked up a copy. Are there any Leica lenses that match or have similar rendering to the Summicron DR/Rigid in LTM mount?
There were some Rigids made in LTM, but they numbered only in the 1000's and are rare and expensive today. Similarly, there was a special edition LTM run of the version 5 Summicron released in Japan in 1999.
I've been really tempted by the Speed Panchro II 50/2, and am awaiting the 75/2.
That being said, I'm having an ethical dilemma, because these lenses are being replicated down to the lead(/thorium/whatever else) in the glass elements, which are known hazardous substances to the workers polishing and assembling the lenses. (It's why RoHS basically killed entire legacy lens lines like the R and Contax lineages.)
After seeing photos of the workers without any protection on them...
Sam_W wrote:
I've been really tempted by the Speed Panchro II 50/2, and am awaiting the 75/2.
That being said, I'm having an ethical dilemma, because these lenses are being replicated down to the lead(/thorium/whatever else) in the glass elements, which are known hazardous substances to the workers polishing and assembling the lenses. (It's why RoHS basically killed entire legacy lens lines like the R and Contax lineages.)
After seeing photos of the workers without any protection on them...
The pics you saw were the assembly workers. Not the ones making/grinding the lenses. Those I am sure wear more than tank tops and flip flops.
You shouldn't have an ethical dilemma though. You don't need this lens...
The lens features 50mm f/2 Speed Panchro II optical block house in Type Two "Rigid" 50mm f/2 body.
So is this the exact same lens optically as the SPII? Just in a different case?
Is it the same length as the SPII? Which is a very long lens for a 50mm f2
Why does the SPII have a built in filter and this one does not?
Desmolicious wrote:
A couple of questions... "you" wrote:
The lens features 50mm f/2 Speed Panchro II optical block house in Type Two "Rigid" 50mm f/2 body.
So is this the exact same lens optically as the SPII? Just in a different case?
Is it the same length as the SPII? Which is a very long lens for a 50mm f2
Why does the SPII have a built in filter and this one does not?
+ Do the new multi-coatings address the blue circular flare at smaller apertures that we see on our current 50 SPIIs?
I always thought the built-in UV on the collapsable 8-element and the SPII were just a novelty. I would prefer never to have them built-in even if removable.
It would be weird if it were longer than the Rigid since it's in a Rigid replica housing. Even if it's the same length as the current SPII, it sure looks nicer in the Rigid design.
I use the original Rigid and LLL 50/2 SP2, and there's this new 2 in 1 lens now!
I shared some examples on the forum, and their performance and rendering are similar. The Rigid has higher optical vignetting (swirling), higher contrast, and resolution at the center, while the SP2 is sharper at the corners with more consistent performance across the image. So, they give a similar look but with distinct characteristics.
Both lenses are prone to flare, but the LLL shows magenta ghosting, while the Rigid has amber ghosting.
I use the original Rigid and LLL 50/2 SP2, and there's this new 2 in 1 lens now!
I shared some examples on the forum, and their performance and rendering are similar. The Rigid has higher optical vignetting (swirling), higher contrast, and resolution at the center, while the SP2 is sharper at the corners with more consistent performance across the image. So, they give a similar look but with distinct characteristics.
Both lenses are prone to flare, but the LLL shows magenta ghosting, while the Rigid has amber ghosting.
I guess I don't get it - or will not until LightLensLab replies to my queries.
Is it two lenses in one? It seems like it is just the SPII in a new shell - and at that point I don't get why..
Also if it is the SPII repackaged - is it the same length as the SPII?
Why did the SPII have a built in filter and this one does not?
Have the coatings been improved so there no longer is the blue flare at f8 and smaller?
I am seeing HUGE discounts of the SPII - selling for a lot less than when it was introduced so the cynic in me is thinking LLL has a whole bunch of SPII optical blocks/units inventory in storage and is thinking of a way to move that.
