p.4 #1 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
Call it as you wish, I'm not a professional photographer but to my eyes, all the portraits I see taken with Sony cameras have either weird skin tones or heavily graded (to hide they're just weird). Canon portraits just look more natural to my eyes. But of course, color perception is relative, etc.
If you want to have a look at my snapshots (nothing serious as you will see), @juanmaasecas2 on Instagram. vdo1 wrote:
Well there's this category of images (usually referred to as "snapshots") that, while they could use some post processing, are not worth the effort as they are of little actual value. It appears that numbertwo has found that the Canon R is more adept at producing those to his taste. "De gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum".
p.4 #2 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
numbertwo wrote:
Call it as you wish, I'm not a professional photographer but to my eyes, all the portraits I see taken with Sony cameras have either weird skin tones or heavily graded (to hide they're just weird). Canon portraits just look more natural to my eyes. But of course, color perception is relative, etc.
If you want to have a look at my snapshots (nothing serious as you will see), @juanmaasecas2 on Instagram.
Sony's metering, auto ISO and skin tones are slightly off compared to Canon/Nikon. This is why I use adapted glass to shoot portraits, I don't care for the skin tones created by a Sony camera + lens combination. Usually I apply batch color grading with my Sony portrait images using DXO Filmpack before finalizing output.
p.4 #3 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
numbertwo wrote:
Call it as you wish, I'm not a professional photographer but to my eyes, all the portraits I see taken with Sony cameras have either weird skin tones or heavily graded (to hide they're just weird).
WOW that is one big bold statement.....must mean that all of us doing pro work with Sony cameras are color blind...
p.4 #4 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
So you pick 3 shots with a flat cloud covered background then one where the sun starts to lighten up the whole thing and say Canon is better? None of the profiled shots look good. The Canon R shot starts to pop because of the light captured. Far from proving much.
Don't get me wrong, I think the work you did here is impressive, and for those with a Canon preference great, but blanket statements about Sony being "wrong" color because of your preference...
I'm not really biased one way or the other, but I've tried adapting the same lens on both my A7 III + Commlite ENF-E1 Pro adapter and the Z6 + FTZ adapter. The A7 III files look much sharper, while the Z6 files have easier to manage skin tones and more precise metering. Also Nikon's auto-ISO has a tendency to maintain a high shutter speed while keeping ISO as low as possible. Sony's auto-ISO will opt to go with higher ISO, despite having adequate light levels.
I often shoot my A7III and D750 simultaneously and cull the raws together. I tend to spend more time tweaking the Sony files to fix odd color cast issues in varying light conditions, while Nikon files tend to keep the same color profile regardless of lighting conditions. This is using 1st party lenses on each body as well.
I just want to add the differences are more apparent shooting event style work where lighting can vary. In controlled settings, where you dictate light and subject placement, color differences are less noticeable.
p.4 #7 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
Jonathan F wrote:
I'm not really biased one way or the other, but I've tried adapting the same lens on both my A7 III + Commlite ENF-E1 Pro adapter and the Z6 + FTZ adapter. The A7 III files look much sharper, while the Z6 files have easier to manage skin tones and more precise metering. Also Nikon's auto-ISO has a tendency to maintain a high shutter speed while keeping ISO as low as possible. Sony's auto-ISO will opt to go with higher ISO, despite having adequate light levels.
I often shoot my A7III and D750 simultaneously and cull the raws together. I tend to spend more time tweaking the Sony files to fix odd color cast issues in varying light conditions, while Nikon files tend to keep the same color profile regardless of lighting conditions. This is using 1st party lenses on each body as well....Show more →
Yet when objective tests are done the Sony comes ahead. So could it be just that the Nikon has less colour discrimination, which is actually working in your favour for some specific purposes? Same as with less sharp lens that reduce the work with airbrushing portraits?
p.4 #8 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
vdo1 wrote:
Yet when objective tests are done the Sony comes ahead. So could it be just that the Nikon has less colour discrimination, which is actually working in your favour for some specific purposes? Same as with less sharp lens that reduce the work with airbrushing portraits?
I did add in my last post Sony does fine in more controlled shooting scenarios, it's when in non-controlled shooting scenarios like event shooting, that Nikon does excel.
p.4 #9 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
I think in general, Sony got the most hate as they did not start out as a "real" camera company. Then when the FF mirrorless became a big hit, most users were/are from the Canikon camps that some got so used to what they think as "good" colors.
I have seen Fuji, Canon, Nikon, Panasonic guys criticized the color science of the other camps. But one thing in common, they all think Sony colors suck .
I'm curious to see what Canikon churns out in mixed lighting as well and how Sony is able to get different color casts in those situations.
p.4 #10 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
This was supposed to be about the Panasonic, however one may look at A7 vs R and notice that the later has less colour sensitivity. I.e. it will bin several different colors into the same output shade.
p.4 #11 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
hiepphotog wrote:
they all think Sony colors suck .
May be just a case of sour grapes and/or sentiment of insecurity.
OTOH I haven't seen many Sony users trolling the Canon forums and making fun of their mirrors flap flap flap. Possibly they feel more secure with their choice.
p.4 #13 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
The next time someone goes on about their own color preferences and tries to convince others to trust their eyes instead of your own or others, even the guys that adore Canon colors but insist on buying Sony cameras and then complaining about “Sony so-called colors”, remember what you learned in this video. Oh and if you haven’t already, make sure to learn how to calibrate your workflow regardless of the camera and/or lenses brand “you” prefer.
p.4 #14 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
vdo1 wrote:
May be just a case of sour grapes and/or sentiment of insecurity.
OTOH I haven't seen many Sony users trolling the Canon forums and making fun of their mirrors flap flap flap. Possibly they feel more secure with their choice.
Well, all the things that can be measured and reported, it's hard to dispute. But subjective things like ergonomics, color preference, user experience will be repeated and argued over and over with no end in sight.
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LBJ2 wrote:
The next time someone goes on about their own color preferences and tries to convince others to trust their eyes instead of your own or others, even the guys that adore Canon colors but insist on buying Sony cameras and then complaining about “Sony so-called colors”, remember what you learned in this video. Oh and if you haven’t already, make sure to learn how to calibrate your workflow regardless of the camera or lenses brand “you” prefer.
“The Physics and Psychology of Colour”
Great video! And yes, on my calibrated Dell screen that covers nearly all sRGB, I can hardly tell the difference at quick glance between the generated EOS R profile and the X-Rite profile I generated (subtle red difference at 100% view doesn't mean much though overall). And I have seen people saying X-Rite profiles are garbage as well. . It has to be done in a blind test to really see how things go.
p.4 #17 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
Nothing is going to make it look 100% like a Canon camera. There will always be exceptions to any kind of solution you find and it will make you go insane from constantly second guessing yourself.
Just buy a Canon camera if you've convinced yourself that you can't live without it's undefinable qualities.
Ha, I meant a blind test for the people in here that think Sony color science is rubbish. I watched the result done by Tony and it helped me ignore some of the color science debate. I have both the EOS R and the A9 and personally I prefer my current Sony profile more :P.
p.4 #19 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
Lol. In the profiles list in the top right panel in Lightroom, there should be an + sign, you press that and choose the profile.
Then in the left, in the preset list, also should be another + sign on top, you press that and choose the xmp preset.
Then restart Lightroom and in the left, the preset/s installed should show up under the category "canon eos r". Select the preset and it automatically should pick the needed profile.
I'd you have an old version of Lightroom it won't work.
All the technical stuff about color is very nice and people still didn't post that web saying the a73 is the most accurate camera according to the synthetic test X or Y.
What I see is my experience taking pictures with Sony cameras (a7, then a7r2 and now a73 and a6000), and some fuji cameras and canon cameras.
Maybe it's a mix of jpg rendering, automatic white balance, contrast, whatever, but the jpg out of the canon are always better looking than sony's TO ME, and the raws require from a lot of less work than the sony's.
It's also true that adobe profiles (camera profiles) are horrible in Lightroom for Sony whereas the ones made for canon are much better. Capture one plays better in color with Sony, but colors in capture one fall apart sooner.
The preset is not meant to be tested and compared to others in a machbeth chart but in real life pictures. When I apply to my images, I have a much better starting point than any adobe created profile.
If you have good x-rite color profiles for a73 that you think are better than my profile/preset, PLEASE share them with me as I am doing and help me get better colors out from my Sony. I love the camera (except the screen) and the colors in this a73 are much better than in my old a7r2, but every further improvement would be welcome.
ajamils wrote:
Since a lot of people are having issues importing the profile, could you please post an idiots guide on how to import them ?
p.4 #20 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
Pd: there's also this metameric failure of the sensor, achieving every color we want from a raw sometimes is not as easy as it would seem. For example, the Sony sensors often have problems with shades of purple/blues, whereas canon does just fine.
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