p.1 #1 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
I had tried most of the various fixes on this forum and others, with limited success (playing with the red and greens under "calibration" in Lightroom...but could never get good skin tones out of the A7III.
I understand the A7III and other Sony cameras were praised for their color accuracy, but accuracy doesn't necessarily mean pleasing...especially skin tones. Yes I shoot RAW and yes I've been doing this for a long, long time.
Someone was able to use a tool to "deconstruct" the Canon EOS R "colors" and make a profile to apply to your Sony files. Simply follow the link, download the profile, then select the color profile in Lightroom.
**** you can use this for files you already processed is lightroom but it throws the white balance way off...will have to correct.
I'm very, very happy with the results.
Here is the link to the .dcp file...which is zipped up.
p.1 #6 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
Dj R wrote:
What are the tweaks - curious and away from my Mac
It's not a tweak in Lightroom, someone used the tool below to basically reverse engineer the canon profile and convert it to Sony. You simply import the .dcp (profile) into Lightroom and apply that profile to your images. I'm more than just moving sliders....
Here is the tool that was used, someone already did the work and shared the results on another website.
Finally, lately I've been trying to match the colors in a different way with the Canon EOS R, and I'd like to share a couple of presets with you guys to know your opinion.
- I decrypted the Canon EOS R Camera Standard profile from adobe using dcpTools. Then modified the camera name to a7r2 and encrypted back again. This way, all the "color twists" included in this profile are there (using sony camera profiles and trying to match, I could still not get as nice results as by using the real canon profile and porting it.
- I downloaded a standarized jpg shot with the EOS R and the raw shot with the a7r2 in the same exact conditions that that web provides.
- I tried to match the colors and curve, then tested in hundreds of images, and correct it over the last few weeks to improve it...
I use AWB on my camera often, and before I found myself going to very cold WB in post because warming up, the colors used to look horrible. Now with these profiles, even in tungsten light, when warming up the scene the colors still look beautiful, and I'm getting and more pleasant and natural warm look to my pics. Most of the time I warm my photos now.
Because of the ported profile, the Green-Magenta slider in lightroom is way different to the numbers we're used to, so start with the white balance as "as shot" and work from there.
p.1 #9 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
Todd Baugh wrote:
^^^^^ same tweaks. Didn't know if I could link to another photography site so I uploaded to my site and shared.....loving the profiles!
Ah okay, makes sense. I wish I could try them, but I'm one of the last holding out on my perpetual 6.14 license which doesn't seem to accept these profiles easily
p.1 #11 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
Edit, important: Don't use the.dcp profiles alone, the profiles are meant and developed to work together with a.xmp preset!!
I am that someone that created the profiles/presets and I'm here as well (juanmaasecas in dpreview, numbertwo here). You're re-uploading everything and not even mentioning me, lol. I talked about this in this forum but people were not interested, so I only maintained the full thread in dpreview.
That said, there are multiple versions in 2 different variants of the presets. The old ones were based in my a7r2 and then ported to a lot of Sony full frame cameras. And then the new variants are based in my a73 and only available for a73 and a7r3. From this last (the best), there are 4 presets and the good ones are number 1 and 4. The 2 is too red and the 3 is too green.
Based on a7r2, pre-last version (for Many cameras) https://mega.nz/#F!VEZUyIAR!d5KiTbk_4O7yX2MWdmE1yA
Based on a7r2, last version (many cameras) https://mega.nz/#F!pExjQCjJ!x5_eKI11V_J3AmB0yPKq8g
Based on a73, latest and greatest, only a73/a7r3 https://mega.nz/#F!MFZSCQxL!bOlpdo44BJJTBqCAM1-wKQ
Todd Baugh wrote:
I had tried most of the various fixes on this forum and others, with limited success (playing with the red and greens under "calibration" in Lightroom...but could never get good skin tones out of the A7III.
I understand the A7III and other Sony cameras were praised for their color accuracy, but accuracy doesn't necessarily mean pleasing...especially skin tones. Yes I shoot RAW and yes I've been doing this for a long, long time.
Someone was able to use a tool to "deconstruct" the Canon EOS R "colors" and make a profile to apply to your Sony files. Simply follow the link, download the profile, then select the color profile in Lightroom.
**** you can use this for files you already processed is lightroom but it throws the white balance way off...will have to correct.
I'm very, very happy with the results.
Here is the link to the .dcp file...which is zipped up.
p.1 #12 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
numbertwo wrote:
I am that someone that created the profiles/presets and I'm here as well. You're re-uploading everything and not even mentioning me, lol. I talked about this in this forum but people were not interested, so I only maintained the full thread in dpreview.
That said, there are multiple versions in 2 different variants of the presets. The old ones were based in my a7r2 and then ported to a lot of Sony full frame cameras. And then the new variants are based in my a73 and only available for a73 and a7r3. From this last (the best), there are 4 presets and the good ones are number 1 and 4. The 2 is too red and the 3 is too green.
Based on a7r2, pre-last version (for Many cameras) https://mega.nz/#F!VEZUyIAR!d5KiTbk_4O7yX2MWdmE1yA
Based on a7r2, last version (many cameras) https://mega.nz/#F!pExjQCjJ!x5_eKI11V_J3AmB0yPKq8g
Based on a73, latest and greatest, only a73/a7r3 https://mega.nz/#F!MFZSCQxL!bOlpdo44BJJTBqCAM1-wKQ
p.1 #14 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
In the first two links there are versions for a9 as well.
When I got the a73 I tested the previously made presets and I found out that because of the change in model-to-model color science they weren't working as good, so I did the new versions using the a73 as Base. Then the a7r3 is just a ported profile from a73, but it would be not working as good... I can do quickly later a port for a9 from the latest Base version but you need to know that.
Anyways, the a7iii is a great improvement in color in light room over the a7r2, and the a9 is even better, maybe the best Sony in color so far.
I still need to say that regarding color, I had the eos r for a couple of weeks and the camera is just awesome in focusing, colors, screen, usability... I really fell in love with the camera but I'll stay in Sony a bit longer because of the ibis.
hiepphotog wrote:
Is it possible that you can do one for the A9? Thank you!
p.1 #16 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
I could not locate presets 1 and 4 in your last link. The only one file for a7r3 is rflata7r3.DCP. Thanks.
numbertwo wrote:
That said, there are multiple versions in 2 different variants of the presets. The old ones were based in my a7r2 and then ported to a lot of Sony full frame cameras. And then the new variants are based in my a73 and only available for a73 and a7r3. From this last (the best), there are 4 presets and the good ones are number 1 and 4. The 2 is too red and the 3 is too green.
Based on a73, latest and greatest, only a73/a7r3 https://mega.nz/#F!MFZSCQxL!bOlpdo44BJJTBqCAM1-wKQ
p.1 #17 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
You need one dcp profile for your camera and the presets are the.xmp files that use that dcp profile...
hpfish10 wrote:
I could not locate presets 1 and 4 in your last link. The only one file for a7r3 is rflata7r3.DCP. Thanks.
numbertwo wrote:
That said, there are multiple versions in 2 different variants of the presets. The old ones were based in my a7r2 and then ported to a lot of Sony full frame cameras. And then the new variants are based in my a73 and only available for a73 and a7r3. From this last (the best), there are 4 presets and the good ones are number 1 and 4. The 2 is too red and the 3 is too green.
p.1 #18 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
Update: Added a9 to the last version of the profile (now a73, a7r3 and a9, but tested on a73 only...)
So basically, I'm porting the "Camera Standard" profile created by adobe to Canon Cameras (it's from EOS R but actually they seem to be the same) to Sony cameras, and then color match by eye to Sony files.
A bit more in depth:
- I used dcpTool (free software) to port the canon profile to sony cameras, changing the name of the camera...
- I'm also replacing the white balance matrix from the original camera to the new camera, to fix the white balance issues in the first versions
- I've been playing with the curve in the .dcp file. The curve built in the Canon profile is too contrasty, so in earlier versions I replaced it with the Sony camera standard profile curve, then for a custom made curve, then adjusted with curves in the preset, etc. In the last version, I'm replacing the curve in the .dcp profile for a fully flat curve, and then in the preset, I'm adjusting the contrast with 3 curves separately, so I can better mimic the Canon cold/warm behavior in shadows and highlights. I do this in the following way:
- I downloaded from imaging-resource some jpg shots from the canon eos R
- I downloaded as well the a73 raws in the same conditions.
- following the grey patches in the machbeth chart, one by one I adjusted the points in the RGB channels to match the canon jpg from the sony raw, looking at the RGB values in lightroom for every patch.
- Then I tweaked the colors to match the machbeth (matching sony raw to canon jpg) as good as I could, using the calibration sliders first, and the HSL panel later on.
- Then test the preset in many of my pictures to see how it looks and keep fine tuning it.
Basically that's it
It's a lot of work, I've been working on it for a long time, and yes, it's much easier in the a73 because the color is just better (and just for that I prefer the a73 instead of the R3), but still in some time I will move to canon (when they add IBIS and more lenses available) because the color science is just better, no matter what some webs or youtubers say, I trust my eyes.
p.1 #19 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
numbertwo wrote:
I am that someone that created the profiles/presets and I'm here as well. You're re-uploading everything and not even mentioning me, lol. I talked about this in this forum but people were not interested, so I only maintained the full thread in dpreview.
That said, there are multiple versions in 2 different variants of the presets. The old ones were based in my a7r2 and then ported to a lot of Sony full frame cameras. And then the new variants are based in my a73 and only available for a73 and a7r3. From this last (the best), there are 4 presets and the good ones are number 1 and 4. The 2 is too red and the 3 is too green.
Based on a7r2, pre-last version (for Many cameras) https://mega.nz/#F!VEZUyIAR!d5KiTbk_4O7yX2MWdmE1yA
Based on a7r2, last version (many cameras) https://mega.nz/#F!pExjQCjJ!x5_eKI11V_J3AmB0yPKq8g
Based on a73, latest and greatest, only a73/a7r3 https://mega.nz/#F!MFZSCQxL!bOlpdo44BJJTBqCAM1-wKQ
p.1 #20 · Struggling with Sony skin tones, want that Canon look, go here -->
DaveFP wrote:
Thanks Juan. Two questions -
Looking for a version for A7R2. Do I need to create an account to download? Which of the two first variants is best "pre-last" or "last" - Thanks !
I don't think you need an account to download.
In some situations I prefer the presets in the pre-last version, in some others I prefer the last (called RRR preset). The previous is more contrasty and colorful, the RRR is a bit more toned-down, more subtle and elegant. Try all of them, it's free xD. And please share your opinion.
. Thank you very much. I'll definitely try this out.
which doesn't seem to accept these profiles easily