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First try of the Canon 500 f/4L IS mk II + 1.4x TC III with the Sigma MC-11 adapter on my A9

How do you like the combination?



Apr 02, 2019 at 06:59 AM
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p.11 #2 · Sony Birds and Wildlife Thread


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How do you like the combination?


So far quite good. I didn't get a chance to try it for BIF but for this situation, the focus was quite snappy. As long as you don't let it lose focus by a large margin it works well. The trouble with adapted glass is when they really lose focus they can never recover and you have to manually touch up the focus to get it back.

It'll do until (if) Sony comes along with a native 500/600 f/4. The idea of a 500 f/4 that weighs less than 2.5kg would be perfect especially if the next A9 can give us >> 30MP.



Apr 03, 2019 at 01:07 AM
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p.11 #3 · Sony Birds and Wildlife Thread


Here a few from the A7RIII + 100-400 GM + 1.4x TC combo





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New Holland honey-eater




Apr 03, 2019 at 05:39 AM
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p.11 #4 · Sony Birds and Wildlife Thread


Pixel Perfect wrote:
So far quite good. I didn't get a chance to try it for BIF but for this situation, the focus was quite snappy. As long as you don't let it lose focus by a large margin it works well. The trouble with adapted glass is when they really lose focus they can never recover and you have to manually touch up the focus to get it back.

It'll do until (if) Sony comes along with a native 500/600 f/4. The idea of a 500 f/4 that weighs less than 2.5kg would be perfect especially if the next A9 can give
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I notice that you also have the Sony A7rIII. I recently got a 400DOII with both extenders, wanting to get to 560mm f5.6 and 800mm f8 and got a Canon 7DII with it at a low price in the Canon lens/body bundle, but also own a Sony A7rII. I got the sigma mc-11 just to see how it would work, since the 7DII sensor is rather dated. I was pleasantly surprised (but perhaps did not expect much), so now I am seriously considering a Sony A7rIII as a body for the 400DOII. AF consistency even on the A7rII is in another world from dslr it seems, and of course the 42mp BSI sensor leaves nothing to be desired.
Do you know if there is a large difference in AF performance on the A7rIII over the A7rII, or is it mainly the sigma mc-11 firmware updates that have improved things?

Chris



Apr 03, 2019 at 06:17 AM
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p.11 #5 · Sony Birds and Wildlife Thread


Chris,

Not sure if you would consider the a9 instead of the a7RIII. The AF on the a9 is vastly superior to the a7RIII.


Alan



Apr 03, 2019 at 06:37 AM
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I notice that you also have the Sony A7rIII. I recently got a 400DOII with both extenders, wanting to get to 560mm f5.6 and 800mm f8 and got a Canon 7DII with it at a low price in the Canon lens/body bundle, but also own a Sony A7rII. I got the sigma mc-11 just to see how it would work, since the 7DII sensor is rather dated. I was pleasantly surprised (but perhaps did not expect much), so now I am seriously considering a Sony A7rIII as a body for the 400DOII. AF consistency even on the A7rII is in
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I have no experience with the A7RII but I believe it's not as good as the A7RIII and the A7RIII is nowhere near as good as the A9. However, you can still get excellent results you'll just get a lot less keepers especially with tracking BIF's. I'd like to see Sony release a 150-600 f/5.6 as I'd rather stick to f/5.6 than f/8 on the A7RIII. I believe the A7RIII works a lot better with adapted lenses too than the A7RII

Have you considered a Nikon D500, because that is noticeably better than the A7RIII and has even more reach than the A7RIII when FL limited. The D500 + 200-500 combo is pretty damn effective and can be found for similar money to the A7RIII alone. D500 is a lot more consistent than the 7DII for tracking and has a better sensor. You need to step up to the A9 if you want the very best in AF and it'll work faster with adapted lenses using MC-11 than the A7RIII.



Apr 03, 2019 at 07:00 AM
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I have no experience with the A7RII but I believe it's not as good as the A7RIII and the A7RIII is nowhere near as good as the A9. However, you can still get excellent results you'll just get a lot less keepers especially with tracking BIF's. I'd like to see Sony release a 150-600 f/5.6 as I'd rather stick to f/5.6 than f/8 on the A7RIII. I believe the A7RIII works a lot better with adapted lenses too than the A7RII

Have you considered a Nikon D500, because that is noticeably better than the A7RIII and has even more
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Thanks and yes, I did consider the Nikon D500, also the 500PF, and the 100-400GM (already owning a Sony A7rII).
But my background is, coming from a Pentax DA560mm f5.6 and 1.4TC, I wanted to replicate that package in a (much) smaller size and lower weight and with better AF. The 400DOII with both extenders adds a very fast 400mm f4 to that package for BIF. But I hardly ever did BIF with the Pentax set-up (nearly impossible). My priority is wading birds, water fowl and overall distant birds (living in Western Europe, where birds have been intensively hunted for as long as one can go back unfortunately, and are immensly shy).
The Canon 7DII is nicely fast, but rather unreliable AF in certain types of light, and coming from Sony sensors, rather limited sensor wise. I got it very cheaply in the Canon lens/body bundle, so can easily sell it without loss. But my current plan is to practice BIF with it, and add the Sony 42mp for IQ.
It may sound strange, but for wading birds, waterfowl, I was pleasantly surprised with the AF from the 400DOII+1.4TC on the A7rII. I had expected nothing really, but accuracy and responsiveness are well above expectation, even without solid practice. The electronic front curtain shutter also helps a lot at slower shutter speeds in lower light, with the very, very good Canon IS helping out for rather static or slow moving birds. It's a nice set-up for handheld shooting. Only important thing is to set the focus limiter, otherwise the lens will travel all the way back to limit, and forth to the point of focus again, which takes too much time.

Still, a small bird may fly by and the AF then has to be responsive and decisive. So for that, and also for enabling all the focus modes, I was wondering if the A7rIII makes a big difference.
Regarding the A9, I would lose too much reach, and if I want to go to a high performing allround body, I would perhaps do well waiting for a future EOS-R with decent sensor and updated AF.
In short: if the Sony A7rIII is a significant upgrade for adapted Canon lenses, then I will trade my A7rII in.

Chris



Apr 03, 2019 at 07:49 AM
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Agree, the D500 & 200-500mm does great shots. But is 3.3 kg+.


Apr 03, 2019 at 01:05 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
I have no experience with the A7RII but I believe it's not as good as the A7RIII and the A7RIII is nowhere near as good as the A9. However, you can still get excellent results you'll just get a lot less keepers especially with tracking BIF's. I'd like to see Sony release a 150-600 f/5.6 as I'd rather stick to f/5.6 than f/8 on the A7RIII. I believe the A7RIII works a lot better with adapted lenses too than the A7RII

Have you considered a Nikon D500, because that is noticeably better than the A7RIII and has even more
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I too wish someone will make a xxx-600mm zoom for Sony E mount soon. I had the Nikon D500, Nikon 200-500 and later Sigma 150-600 Sports and Nikon 500 f/4 G VR. The D500 + 200-500mm will give you 750mm view at the long end, at 21 MP, the Sony A7RIII at crop mode + Sony 100-400mm will give you 600mm view at 18 MP. It depends how important the extra 150mm is for someone.

The D500 has a fantastic AF system but not materially better than the A7RIII, in my opinion. Ergo is a different matter. I will not go back to DSLR with the small AF coverage area and the potential need for micro lens focus adjustment. My short term solution was to buy the A6400 to use with the 100-400 GM (sometimes with the 1.4 TC). One can get the little A6400 for as low as $750! I prefer the A6400' AF and coverage area over the D500's. The Real-time tracking of the A6400 is a real deal, most of the time.



Apr 03, 2019 at 02:52 PM
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Ziggy99 wrote:
Agree, the D500 & 200-500mm does great shots. But is 3.3 kg+.


Well just under 3.3kg, but hey it's a constant f/5.6 500mm zoom, it was never going to be a featherweight. Even the 150-600 f/6.3 lenses are 2kg. Unless you get a Nikon 500 PF (and good luck with that) there are no lightweight long lenses. Also IMO you need to use the grip on the Sony's with large glass, adding another 250-300g, so my A9 weighs about the same as the D500 anyway, both still much lighter than D5 and 1DXII. D500 is best bang for buck by along way. Also with A9 prices so much cheaper than at release you can often get them for low $3K you won't be disappointed.



Apr 03, 2019 at 05:20 PM
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Well just under 3.3kg, but hey it's a constant f/5.6 500mm zoom, it was never going to be a featherweight. Even the 150-600 f/6.3 lenses are 2kg. Unless you get a Nikon 500 PF (and good luck with that) there are no lightweight long lenses. Also IMO you need to use the grip on the Sony's with large glass, adding another 250-300g, so my A9 weighs about the same as the D500 anyway, both still much lighter than D5 and 1DXII. D500 is best bang for buck by along way. Also with A9 prices so much cheaper than at
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My very light Sony 500mm reflex with AF is welcome for hiking.



Apr 03, 2019 at 07:40 PM
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mogul wrote:
My very light Sony 500mm reflex with AF is welcome for hiking.


Yeah but it’s f/8 and a mirror lens, hence the compact size I’d much rather use the 100-400GM + 1.4x, still less than 1.5kg, although price is up to an order of magnitude higher. I have done 4 hour walks with the 500 f/4 and 1DX, so these modern superzooms are a doddle to walk around with all day.



Apr 03, 2019 at 11:45 PM
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Well just under 3.3kg, but hey it's a constant f/5.6 500mm zoom, it was never going to be a featherweight. Even the 150-600 f/6.3 lenses are 2kg. Unless you get a Nikon 500 PF (and good luck with that) there are no lightweight long lenses. Also IMO you need to use the grip on the Sony's with large glass, adding another 250-300g, so my A9 weighs about the same as the D500 anyway, both still much lighter than D5 and 1DXII. D500 is best bang for buck by along way. Also with A9 prices so much cheaper than at
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Re weight, to be accurate you need to add in your sling or whatever. Mine's 250g.



Apr 04, 2019 at 10:33 AM
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Just two with updated firmware 5.0
















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Apr 04, 2019 at 11:25 AM
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Ziggy99 wrote:
Re weight, to be accurate you need to add in your sling or whatever. Mine's 250g.


Ok, I handhold but if I use a sling it's a shoulder sling, black rapid that's not contributing much to the weight of the camera/lens, it's distributed over my upper body.



Apr 04, 2019 at 11:40 PM
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Sure. I do too. But it all adds up - a replacement lens foot or an added plate, maybe a TC, a grip, a sling (I weighed mine) and bingo, there goes the weight advantage of a mirrorless body and more.


Apr 05, 2019 at 03:00 AM
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American Robin.

A7R3 with 100-400 and 1.4TC

Birdie







Apr 05, 2019 at 11:06 AM
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Here's a few old shots from the A7R2...


Just Born by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7R2, Canon 100-400 II, Metabones IV


Black-Crowned Night Heron Juvenile by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7R2, Canon 100-400 II, Canon 1.4x III, Metabones IV


Time For Lunch by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7R2, Canon 500/4 II, Canon 1.4x III, Metabones IV


Little Blue Heron Juvenile by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7R2, Canon 100-400 II, Metabones IV

And a couple from the A7R3...


Barred Owl by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7RIII, Canon 100-400 II, Metabones V


Prarie Falcon Chicks by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7RIII, Sony 100-400, Sony 2x




Apr 06, 2019 at 11:29 AM
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Wow, you have both the A7rII and the A7rIII and a Canon lens on adapter. Perhaps you could give me some info on the auto focus performance between these two bodies with an adapted Canon lens?
I recently bought the mc-11 to adapt the Canon 400DOII + 1.4TC to my A7rII, not expecting a lot really. But I was really impressed by the AF accuracy and snappy performance. Only problem is the focus travel, often first the wrong direction, before heading all the way back.
Second is sometimes needs to be "helped along" meaning it will sometimes not respond or initiate AF until manually nudged a bit.
If these things are better, so more positive focus action overall, then I will definitely upgrade my A7rII to rIII.

Thanks for any input!
Chris

scrappydog wrote:
Here's a few old shots from the A7R2...

https://live.staticflickr.com/4285/35377667391_b93fb6a3e4_b.jpg
Just Born by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7R2, Canon 100-400 II, Metabones IV

https://live.staticflickr.com/4297/35726294210_5304cb0b2b_h.jpg
Black-Crowned Night Heron Juvenile by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7R2, Canon 100-400 II, Canon 1.4x III, Metabones IV

https://live.staticflickr.com/5806/31086818576_0f9570739f_b.jpg
Time For Lunch by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7R2, Canon 500/4 II, Canon 1.4x III, Metabones IV

https://live.staticflickr.com/7502/26752947070_a1f073d9c1_b.jpg
Little Blue Heron Juvenile by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7R2, Canon 100-400 II, Metabones IV

And a couple from the A7R3...

https://live.staticflickr.com/1878/43644460075_ea0393d60a_b.jpg
Barred Owl by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7RIII, Canon 100-400 II, Metabones V

https://live.staticflickr.com/888/42119567154_0fb7983cf4_b.jpg
Prarie Falcon Chicks by scrappydoggy, on Flickr
Sony A7RIII, Sony 100-400, Sony 2x





Apr 06, 2019 at 12:07 PM
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ChrisMak wrote:
Wow, you have both the A7rII and the A7rIII and a Canon lens on adapter. Perhaps you could give me some info on the auto focus performance between these two bodies with an adapted Canon lens?
I recently bought the mc-11 to adapt the Canon 400DOII + 1.4TC to my A7rII, not expecting a lot really. But I was really impressed by the AF accuracy and snappy performance. Only problem is the focus travel, often first the wrong direction, before heading all the way back.
Second is sometimes needs to be "helped along" meaning it will sometimes not respond or initiate AF
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Hi Chris, the A7R2 + Canon 100-400 II or 500/4 II is pretty snappy, although during BIF sessions, the lenses would sometimes focus slow (during fast moving action) or do what you mentioned, and so I would have to manually focus to near focus, and then engage the AF, which would snap to focus immediately. It was sometimes a pain, but my keeper rate was about the same as my 5D3 with the same lenses, so YMMV.

My key observation here is that when your 400DOII goes wonky, manually focus to near focus and engage the AF. My Canon lenses always snapped to focus immediately. Also, if your AF tracking lacks, re-engage the AF and it will snap to focus. I back-button focus, so I routinely pumped my AF during a fast action shot (e.g., eagle swooping down to catch a fish).

I haven't shot the A7R3 with the Canon super-teles much because soon after I took the Prarie Falcon shots, I bought the Sony 100-400 and have been using it ever since. I will say that the A7R3 AF tracking is much better than the A7R2, although I haven't tested it enough with the Canon lenses to assess how they fare. With Sony lenses, though, the AF tracking is very good. As much as I like the A7R2, if it comes to action shots, I will shoot with the A7R3 because it is much better at tracking.

One last observation is that while I like the A7R3, it sometimes misses focus altogether. I'm not sure why. My A7R2 never did this. In fact, the A7R2 was always pinpoint accurate to the millimeter. If you are shooting static objects, the A7R2 is more than enough. With action, though, it's a bigger challenge.



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