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p.8 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


I just got a mail from my dealer, a cancellation this weekend means I have a kit waiting for me to pick up.

What are the odds that I will work a full day today?



Oct 01, 2018 at 05:05 AM
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p.8 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


The cat is out

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/7

I am starting to get PDAF pixel artifact anxiety.




Oct 01, 2018 at 06:16 AM
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p.8 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Firstly, thank you Michael for starting this thread, which I've followed with increasing interest. Even though I'm extremely content with my A7R III bodies and lenses, I've been frustrated by the absence of a great 28mm AF lens. This afternoon I spent some time looking at the Nikon 28mm f/1.4E ED Image Thread. There are lots of excellent examples that demonstrate the strengths of this lens, with charles.K's pictures being particularly outstanding.

This is probably heresy, but when I used Nikon digital bodies (first a D300 then a D700), the Nikkor AF 28mm f/1.4D was the only Nikon lens I truly loved. I have the impression that adapting the Nikkor 28mm f/1.4E ED to a Sony body would be an exercise in frustration so I'm hoping that Charles will report on how well it works with the Z7.



Oct 01, 2018 at 06:32 AM
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p.8 #4 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


alundeb wrote:
The cat is out

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/7

I am starting to get PDAF pixel artifact anxiety.



I just noticed that too. One thing I don't understand though is that when I switch out the close up cells with the A7R3, A73 and A9 at 100 ISO and +6ev I see no banding on any of them, yet I thought that these cameras had a pretty much full PDAF pixel arrays.



Oct 01, 2018 at 06:38 AM
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p.8 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


genji wrote:
Firstly, thank you Michael for starting this thread, which I've followed with increasing interest. Even though I'm extremely content with my A7R III bodies and lenses, I've been frustrated by the absence of a great 28mm AF lens. This afternoon I spent some time looking at the Nikon 28mm f/1.4E ED Image Thread. There are lots of excellent examples that demonstrate the strengths of this lens, with charles.K's pictures being particularly outstanding.

This is probably heresy, but when I used Nikon digital bodies (first a D300 then a D700), the Nikkor AF 28mm f/1.4D was the only Nikon lens I truly
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Thank you Mike for the kind words The 28E is a superb lens but I would not adapt it to non-native mount. I have briefly tested the 28E via the FTZ adapter and it worked great on the Z7. Still early days!



Oct 01, 2018 at 06:53 AM
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p.8 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


alundeb wrote:
The cat is out

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/7

I am starting to get PDAF pixel artifact anxiety.



The issue of PDAF MILC sensor lines has been known for quite some time and rarely poses an issue.

Below are a couple of shots with the Z7 pushed +5 f stops and there are no visible lines in the shadows One with the 105E and the other 28E.











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Oct 01, 2018 at 07:11 AM
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p.8 #7 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Thanks, but I have had my share of shadow banding with older Canon cameras. In those cases it was also claimed that it was rarely an issue and people showed heavy pushes to prove it. Still it was a latent issue, and not subject to copy variation, and it showed often enough for me to be annoying. It was such a relief to get rid of it with the 5DSR. Actually the absence of these things mean more to me than 3 extra stops of engineering dynamic range.


Oct 01, 2018 at 07:24 AM
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alundeb wrote:
Thanks, but I have had my share of shadow banding with older Canon cameras. In those cases it was also claimed that it was rarely an issue and people showed heavy pushes to prove it. Still it was a latent issue, and not subject to copy variation, and it showed often enough for me to be annoying. It was such a relief to get rid of it with the 5DSR. Actually the absence of these things mean more to me than 3 extra stops of engineering dynamic range.


The PDAF striping will occur under certain extreme conditions. Here is a link to Jim where he was investigating the PDAF stripes.

http://blog.kasson.com/a9/pdaf-striping-on-the-a9/



Oct 01, 2018 at 07:30 AM
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In the case of the Z7, DPR found it with moderate editing and not extreme backlight. It is not just a matter of how many stops you push, but also what the exposure was to begin with, and the color and uniformity of the affected areas. I really don't want to get into discussions about the severity and frequency of this, but I note the phenomenon for personal evaluation.


Oct 01, 2018 at 07:37 AM
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alundeb wrote:
In the case of the Z7, DPR found it with moderate editing and not extreme backlight. It is not just a matter of how many stops you push, but also what the exposure was to begin with, and the color and uniformity of the affected areas. I really don't want to get into discussions about the severity and frequency of this, but I note the phenomenon for personal evaluation.


Of course. The images were taken on Friday evening mid to low complex lighting (terrible lighting) and I pushed the RAW images in Lr +5 stops Still early testing days...



Oct 01, 2018 at 07:47 AM
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p.8 #11 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


I think you'd have to use the work around that Df users used for Non-AI glass. Set the aperture on the lens, then match setting on the body and it'll record.

zhangyue wrote:
BTW, One more flaw to the list.

For Nikon AIS or ZF user, there is no coupling for aperture between FTZ and lens now, you can only select aperture on lens and Z7 won't know aperture you selected. And it will not focus at f5.6 if you choose f11,(ZF.2 will do) it will just shoot at f11. For ZF on D850, you can set aperture on lens, and it is still auto aperture and Camera will record aperture used in EXIF.

Another bummer for adapting lens. ZF will be like a leica R with no EXIF on aperture used.





Oct 01, 2018 at 09:21 AM
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This is disappointing. I first saw some report from Bill cliff that he did a 16 images average. He saw the pattern.

My first response was not how this affect my regular shooting but how this will impact multiple exposure function that I used occasionally. With banding, I won’t get DR benefit.

Sony users have been asked back application support for multiple average exposure. Nikon’s has been implemented this many years now.

Remember I report earlier that Nikon reprentitives want beta tester particular test banding backlight. Now looks like, they are not free of this, maybe even slightly worse. It is just surprising.

I won’t consider this is a deal stopper for me, but another annoyance on my bug list.

I guess we just can’t have everything all. After two out, I already like what I experience with Z7 over D850, it lose in some areas but win many more. It seems largely correct operation issue I had before with MILC which is a bit surprise for me. I strongly suggest people don’t be scared with banding and give it a try through your friends, or renting. It is a awesome bday with bright future.

alundeb wrote:
The cat is out

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/7

I am starting to get PDAF pixel artifact anxiety.





Oct 01, 2018 at 10:23 AM
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p.8 #13 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


genji wrote:
Firstly, thank you Michael for starting this thread, which I've followed with increasing interest. Even though I'm extremely content with my A7R III bodies and lenses, I've been frustrated by the absence of a great 28mm AF lens. This afternoon I spent some time looking at the Nikon 28mm f/1.4E ED Image Thread. There are lots of excellent examples that demonstrate the strengths of this lens, with charles.K's pictures being particularly outstanding.

This is probably heresy, but when I used Nikon digital bodies (first a D300 then a D700), the Nikkor AF 28mm f/1.4D was the only Nikon lens I truly
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Everyone needs a great 28!

I know nothing about modern Nikon glass, but of course I have quite a few RF, pre-AI, AI and AIS. Most SLR lenses I have are pretty edgy in OOF. Sharp, yes. Mandler, no. My own stand outs are the original RF 85/2, the 300/2.8 AIS ED and 500/4 P. The latter two are really gorgeous with OOF, and there is lots .

At 28 it's still the cron for me, either on M9 or A7K. Which means I don't have a good 28 for the r2




Oct 01, 2018 at 11:29 AM
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p.8 #14 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


A first short walk with the camera tonight. Great view finder and grip also works well but a lot of user errors and awkward fiddling with controls, I really need to read the manual this time and customise all the buttons to my liking. Image quality looks really good so far.

I shot with the zoom and the Zeiss 85 Planar ZF2 and since this is the alt forum here are some images with the Zeiss.

Back to reading the manual...

















Oct 01, 2018 at 12:29 PM
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p.8 #15 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Mathieu18 wrote:
I think you'd have to use the work around that Df users used for Non-AI glass. Set the aperture on the lens, then match setting on the body and it'll record.



There is no option you can manual input aperture setting on body. I no longer have any non AI lens. However, for AIS without CPU, all my D7xx/8xx series camera have aperture linkage, so when you adjust aperture on lens, body record that, though they don't record half aperture, only f1.4, f2, 2.8......

FTZ seems only support AF lens and ZF.2, which is disappointing especially for msot AIS user. I can still enter NON-CPU lens on Z (offer 20 selection, you input focal length and max aperture), so at least you know which lens you used but no more aperture information and auto aperture.
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uhoh7 wrote:
Everyone needs a great 28!

I know nothing about modern Nikon glass, but of course I have quite a few RF, pre-AI, AI and AIS. Most SLR lenses I have are pretty edgy in OOF. Sharp, yes. Mandler, no. My own stand outs are the original RF 85/2, the 300/2.8 AIS ED and 500/4 P. The latter two are really gorgeous with OOF, and there is lots .

At 28 it's still the cron for me, either on M9 or A7K. Which means I don't have a good 28 for the r2



I have 28E, it as good as otus for my use with very well controlled CA. (not as clean but still high color correction). Its corner need f5.6 to full useable on D850, but really I am either f1.4 or after f5.6 for the type I use it for.

However, after seeing what 24-70S can do, I am thinking adapting F glass on Z is not first option. I can see I will buy Z myself to take advantage of native mount: control ring, CA free, corner performance, quiet AF small size and light weight.

If you compare 35S with 28E, you will find they have similar MTF with 28E sharp on center (very very minimal difference) but 35 on corner. (1.4 vs 1.8 though) I can live with that.
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joakim wrote:
A first short walk with the camera tonight. Great view finder and grip also works well but a lot of user errors and awkward fiddling with controls, I really need to read the manual this time and customise all the buttons to my liking. Image quality looks really good so far.

I shot with the zoom and the Zeiss 85 Planar ZF2 and since this is the alt forum here are some images with the Zeiss.

Back to reading the manual...


Congratulation! Great to see images are coming.



Oct 01, 2018 at 01:11 PM
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p.8 #16 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Here are a few random images I took with some alt lenses use VF only, no manual focus aid used. with batch process, minimal edit.

To keep into perspective, I personally can do this type of shooting with OVF camera as well. I don't want imply these can only be done with Z or MILC camera.

Zeiss Planar ZF 85mm

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1905/44114819005_ab6c0056dc_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1931/30089943557_5dcdf8f65d_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1977/43214727750_b4568b75ca_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1959/30089984977_8aaeec53a9_b.jpg

50mm summilux E55

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1939/44977990362_aa91a1e6a4_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1959/44306723064_f52f336531_b.jpg

80mm Summilux R

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1948/44281582874_d8f8342414_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1921/45000394621_9436c397ab_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1914/44089604805_218ea4d05b_b.jpg



Oct 01, 2018 at 01:26 PM
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p.8 #17 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


I was under the impression in A mode with uncoupled glass one could set the aperture on the body to match the lens and it would record. Additionally it kind of needed to be set that way for metering purposes. Sad to hear if this is incorrect as I’d rather ZF lenses myself, and have some NAI Nikkors... I knew it didn’t have the aperture feeler but though it would behave like the Df as mentioned above... hmm...

zhangyue wrote:
There is no option you can manual input aperture setting on body. I no longer have any non AI lens. However, for AIS without CPU, all my D7xx/8xx series camera have aperture linkage, so when you adjust aperture on lens, body record that, though they don't record half aperture, only f1.4, f2, 2.8......

FTZ seems only support AF lens and ZF.2, which is disappointing especially for msot AIS user. I can still enter NON-CPU lens on Z (offer 20 selection, you input focal length and max aperture), so at least you know which lens you used but no more aperture information
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Oct 01, 2018 at 03:07 PM
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p.8 #18 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Micheal, nice images with Leica R lenses on your Z7. Your children are growing up so fast!


Oct 01, 2018 at 03:41 PM
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We need more people share their user review here. I don't want be the pusher.

After another out, I am totally feel Nikon strike a well balance act here that I am willing to take the trade off to use it and totally enjoy to do so. Potentially, this almost reach to the point to replace my D850. obviously long exposure will not as good and multiply exposure will not have DR advantage due to banding. I am waiting for silent shutter implementation myself to make final decision. if there is no bit penalty, I think Z7 will be in good shape.

Keep in mind, I personally don't really need fancy AF tracking, Z7 meet all my need and above. and I don't do bird or running animal photography. This is the first MILC I feel enjoy to use not only for size but also the experience. (inaditional to Leica M) I definitely need some cool-aid and need more real world opinions from others, especially those having latest MILC camera experience to qualify.

Now I use Fn1 for AF setting, Fn2 for format. I put Non-CPU lens selection on ''my manual' now, as I feel I only change that each time I change lens. movie button for bring up 'my manual'. I can tolerate one more push delay during changing lens. but format selection in field on fly is so handy. I chose 4X5 most time for family portrait and if you choose DX, 24-70 instantly become a 24-105 with Z7's 45M sensor, and 70mm slightly weaker corner at f4 problem is gone. I have to say performance of 24-70S significantly alter my view on Z7.

I expect this will be my major travel setup for the near future. 24-70g must go now. This is the first time, I feel I have a interchangable lens system beat RX1 in term of sharpness at this focal. (sure consider 45M)

BTW, I have to say i have no loyalty on MILC, if panasonic have similar zoom lens as 24-70S, offer even better viewing and ergonomics and take M and S, SL glass, I might just leave Nikon. Interesting timing. I won't care its CDAF only. I dont care speed 98% of my usage. So please no spec contest

24-70 at 45mm f13 for DOF coverage
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1980/44306832834_b31e67cda9_h.jpg

100% crop

at 70mm ISO640 shot in 4X5 mode

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1923/45007930602_804ce24c5e_h.jpg

100% crop


Edit, I will make smaller crop once at home. Sorry for the size.


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Oct 02, 2018 at 05:47 PM
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p.8 #20 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Superb examples Michael! The 24-70/f4s really shines in your hands. Also I love your more pastel post processing as it blends wonderfully with the rendering of the Z7 sensor.


Oct 02, 2018 at 08:37 PM
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