p.7 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Maybe it is the AF setting? Do you remember which setting were you in? Or light condition. The test I mentioned in the morning was outside with good sun light.
I also only have f4 24-70 S. Yesterday night inside room, I have most of my images shoot at iso5000 and above with f4 glass, the focus accuracy is good, no action though.
AFC performance is not as good as Sony latest model. I believe there is no argument now based on I gathered so far, but I personally think it is at least a little better than 2nd Gen Sony I had. And AFS speed seems as good as latest Sony if not better based a few direct comparison I saw. I doubt anybody really care AFS speed though.
Other than tracking running toward, if you put camera in auto area AF, af-c, it seems lock all right with good accuracy in the morning when I play with my kids. I think this is the scenario I use AFC most of time, it may not as good as D850 but so close so far under decent light and I can definitely leave with that.
I would highly suggest people do real world test to see if it meet your requirement based on your personal need and expectation. Don’t listen, try it. especially anything related ergonomics and AF.
Frogfish wrote:
You have the camera in hand so I bow to your greater knowledge in this area. However from a simple test (1m to 5m, the back of the shop) the Z7 with 24-70/4 was noticeably slower than my A7rii with FE 55/1.8. As I said though this could simply be a difference in the quality of the lenses rather than AF per se.
p.7 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Here are a few update with more use.
Set effect on is available in their customer manual d8. So that is no longer an issue. My fault.
A few problem I have seen so far:
1. No Focus confirmation with manual lens even Zf.2 CPU lens. Big problem. Why? Because start from D700, this feature is already very useful for me. I know many consider until D850 it become accurate enough. However this is really a handy feature for quickly guild you to the ballpark of focusing. You can either rely on it or it will give decent initial location. Fast and reliable. Of course, if you shoot at f4, focus at f1.4, you can simply rely on it and just fire the shutter.
2. No auto aperture shooting. It will only shoot at select aperture before f5.6. After f5.6, it will focus at f5.6. This is a compromise that I hope Nikon can at least give option to select based on personal need. If they change f5.6 to f2.8 seems make more sense. During shooting, at f5.6’ you have wider DOF window, there is no way camera know what is optimized DOF for your need. What if camera select the very front or very back of DOF window by its AF? Then everything in the back or front will be out of DOF. For D850 with OTUS, I focus at f1.4 with focus confirmation and shoot f5.6, I get perfect sharp image with DOF intended all day. Now with Z7, I lose both confirmation and focus at WO function.
3. During shooting and focus at LV with tripod, the camera will not be aware of my focus action and will go to sleep after preset timeout. A headache I can see. Hope it will solve it in the future.
4. Zoom function, lets say you select the focus area and hit zoom to focus, before shooting, you want go back to full view for composition. With Sony, a light touch of shutter will do it, with Z, you have to hit whichever zoom button you set again to go back full view. A extra step if you want compose before shooting. Anony!
Hopefully, this list doesn’t grow much longer.
p.7 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
MIng:
"Arguably, the Z7 might well be the best adapted lens platform yet: large sensor, stabilization, peaking, excellent viewfinder, one touch 100% magnification and any combination of the above."
I really can't wait to see M lenses on the Z. I don't expect them to perform better than on a M10, obviously. But it's going to be really interesting to compare M glass on Z vs Sony. I'm betting Nikon will be much better. When will we see a M adapter?
Ah...soon:
Novoflex plans for Z:
The adapters to come will allow you to mount lenses with the following mounts to Nikon Z mount mirrorless cameras.
Canon FD (not EOS)
Contax/Yashika
Leica M
Leica M39
Leica R
Minolta MD and MC
Minolta AF/Sony Alpha
M42
Novoflex A-Mount
Olympux OM
Pentax K
T2
p.7 #4 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
zhangyue wrote:
Maybe it is the AF setting? Do you remember which setting were you in? Or light condition. The test I mentioned in the morning was outside with good sun light.
I also only have f4 24-70 S. Yesterday night inside room, I have most of my images shoot at iso5000 and above with f4 glass, the focus accuracy is good, no action though.
AFC performance is not as good as Sony latest model. I believe there is no argument now based on I gathered so far, but I personally think it is at least a little better than 2nd Gen Sony I had. And AFS speed seems as good as latest Sony if not better based a few direct comparison I saw. I doubt anybody really care AFS speed though.
Other than tracking running toward, if you put camera in auto area AF, af-c, it seems lock all right with good accuracy in the morning when I play with my kids. I think this is the scenario I use AFC most of time, it may not as good as D850 but so close so far under decent light and I can definitely leave with that.
I would highly suggest people do real world test to see if it meet your requirement based on your personal need and expectation. Don’t listen, try it. especially anything related ergonomics and AF.
p.7 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Frogfish wrote:
Settings were ISO320 (Auto and this is what it selected), M mode with f4 and 1/160
It has front wheel can control AF area from single, wide, small wide, dynamic area, auto area, back wheel can control AF-S AF-C and MF. I used auto area with AF-C for tracking and I didn't initiate face lock function, as mentioned in DPREVIEW, you need hit OK to lock. However, auto area will still track face even you don't lock it. It seems give very good tracking results with 24-70S.
However, this afternoon, I try the same setting with 58G WO, my keeper rate is less than half under the same condition. but 58G is one of poorest AF lens I ever have. So this is highly depend on Lens. I wasn't able to try shoot at f2.8 or f4. I bet it will improve PDAF a lot by stop down. the SA of 58G make Z work crazy hard I think. It is not a D850 for sure. Tomorrow I will try 85G and 28E..
p.7 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I just went through my aperture series of 24-70S, and compare with 24-70G under same setting with Z7. 24-70 S make 24-70G like a kit lens which itself is one of best midrange zoom I ever had. There is no decenter, no funky CA, SA or FC. No poor copy for first try. This S zoom is the best zoom I ever seen. It is like a full set of prime in such a small body.
This lens itself is worth to have Z as a landscape setup.
p.7 #7 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
zhangyue wrote:
It has front wheel can control AF area from single, wide, small wide, dynamic area, auto area, back wheel can control AF-S AF-C and MF. I used auto area with AF-C for tracking and I didn't initiate face lock function, as mentioned in DPREVIEW, you need hit OK to lock. However, auto area will still track face even you don't lock it. It seems give very good tracking results with 24-70S.
However, this afternoon, I try the same setting with 58G WO, my keeper rate is less than half under the same condition. but 58G is one of poorest AF lens I ever have. So this is highly depend on Lens. I wasn't able to try shoot at f2.8 or f4. I bet it will improve PDAF a lot by stop down. the SA of 58G make Z work crazy hard I think. It is not a D850 for sure. Tomorrow I will try 85G and 28E.. ...Show more →
I also tested the 58G and 105E both @f/1.4 in mid complex lighting and found the 105E to work superbly whereas the 58G I had to select more carefully. The 58G has always been difficult at close/medium distances wide open. Whereas the 105E with the Z7 AF-C set for wide will find the nearest eye accurately.
p.7 #8 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Hi, Charles, thanks for share real world image. Interesting you use use wide AF_C, which I disable, now I only leave single point and auto area
There is definitely more work to do to figure out the AF setting. Another reason I personally don't like too many option. It is getting confusion.
For camera use, unless I must have some feature, I will disable all not critical ones to not complicate the process. I set D850 this way and will do the same with Z7, even means I might lose some automated feature.
Here are some real world images I took with Z7 yesterday.
With 24-70S. There is no profile for the lens yet. Again, this lens is incredible. I never see similar clarity from zoom. I know what I am talking about that having view too many images 100% from all kinds of lenses.
All image has no crop, I selected 4X5 and 16X9 format before take the images.
BTW, adding a few pluses for Z7:
1. There is no noticeable black out at single release which I used most of time. almost similar to mirror slap of SLR.
2. shutter, Nikon Shutter. I only mentioned a few times before, but Nikon shutter is always the best I feel in term of snappy and feel. Call it perfection. Z7 shutter is very quiet, and enable EFC make it even quieter. I don't think you need silent shutter during certain event if all you worry is shutter sound.
3. Again, VF, I am picky about EVF, but Nikon is really the closest analog viewing feeling I have so far. This is a good sign for future EVF may meet my requirement for viewing. I will update this more once I used it under more condition.
4. Image. maybe it due to no mirror slap, or maybe it is the zoom, maybe it is from my imagination. The file just seems have extra pixel quality in term of clarity and contrast. It is definitely best FF day light camera I ever used for pixel PP viewing.
p.7 #10 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
uhoh7 wrote:
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I really can't wait to see M lenses on the Z. I don't expect them to perform better than on a M10, obviously. But it's going to be really interesting to compare M glass on Z vs Sony. I'm betting Nikon will be much better. When will we see a M adapter?
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I'm certainly hoping that Nikon will be "much better" than Sony with M lenses, particularly since (like Sony) the Nikon Z bodies have tilt rather than swivel screens.
p.7 #12 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Michael, great examples of what the 24-70s/Z7 can produce. I have always noticed that the appearance of sharpness and acuity with smaller formats or less sharp FF lenses/bodies is compensated by having higher contrast/clarity but the shots above are almost pastel and yet wonderfully sharp. This is where the line between MF and FF is becoming a lot more blurred
With my brief testing with Z7, I always test different AF combinations. Even with the D850 I find with the Sigma 24/35 Art I use AF-C but d9 or d25 as standard. It seems the single point does not present enough data to give you as accurate/fast AF. Similarly I use a different AF combinations for each, 28E, 58G and 105E on the D850 and of course it depends on your intentions.
It is interesting to note that the Z7 is proving to be an amazing IQ producing system!
p.7 #13 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
zhangyue wrote:
With 24-70S. There is no profile for the lens yet. Again, this lens is incredible. I never see similar clarity from zoom. ...
Thanks for the additional usage notes. No question the Z7 is a great image-maker that benefits from the years of Nikon sensor development. A standard 3x zoom with constant f/4 has always been my dream lens and never available from the OEM. It's one reason I maintain a DX system—to enjoy the 17-55/2.8 (a bit heavy) and the kit zooms 18-55 (a bit slow). The 24-70S is the major attraction for me in this release cycle.
p.7 #14 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Mathieu18 wrote:
This thread is got me leaning Z6 with the 24-70 and the 35 is my main AF kit… Keep the photos coming!
To get my sweaty hands on the 24-70S, I might consider a Z6 purchase. It would replace my D7100 or D500 with kit 18-55 as a walkaround combo. Re FTZ, it was thoughtful of Nikon to add a tripod socket. Such a simple feature slipped the mind of Sigma with their MC-11. The notion is keeping the adapter itself small, and using a spacer block as needed to clear the particular tripod head.
p.7 #15 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I doubt Nikon will be much better than Sony. I predict it might be slightly better based on my past experience use wide angle F glass on Sony but I need confirm that because it could come from out of spec adapter thickness.
genji wrote:
I'm certainly hoping that Nikon will be "much better" than Sony with M lenses, particularly since (like Sony) the Nikon Z bodies have tilt rather than swivel screens.
p.7 #16 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I just got my Z7 too. Wow. It's so responsive, feels so good in the hands and the ergonomics are spot on. I'm a convert to the mirror-less revolution.
zhangyue wrote:
Hi, Charles, thanks for share real world image. Interesting you use use wide AF_C, which I disable, now I only leave single point and auto area
There is definitely more work to do to figure out the AF setting. Another reason I personally don't like too many option. It is getting confusion.
For camera use, unless I must have some feature, I will disable all not critical ones to not complicate the process. I set D850 this way and will do the same with Z7, even means I might lose some automated feature.
Here are some real world images I took with Z7 yesterday.
With 24-70S. There is no profile for the lens yet. Again, this lens is incredible. I never see similar clarity from zoom. I know what I am talking about that having view too many images 100% from all kinds of lenses.
All image has no crop, I selected 4X5 and 16X9 format before take the images.
BTW, adding a few pluses for Z7:
1. There is no noticeable black out at single release which I used most of time. almost similar to mirror slap of SLR.
2. shutter, Nikon Shutter. I only mentioned a few times before, but Nikon shutter is always the best I feel in term of snappy and feel. Call it perfection. Z7 shutter is very quiet, and enable EFC make it even quieter. I don't think you need silent shutter during certain event if all you worry is shutter sound.
3. Again, VF, I am picky about EVF, but Nikon is really the closest analog viewing feeling I have so far. This is a good sign for future EVF may meet my requirement for viewing. I will update this more once I used it under more condition.
4. Image. maybe it due to no mirror slap, or maybe it is the zoom, maybe it is from my imagination. The file just seems have extra pixel quality in term of clarity and contrast. It is definitely best FF day light camera I ever used for pixel PP viewing.
p.7 #17 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
After two day shooting Z7, I highly recommend Z7 over Z6 now. Why? Because the lens, I only have zoom now and this zoom is serious good that I want buy that two prime. it almost make me not care much Leica lens performance on Z anymore. I will buy 14-30 for sure. The lenses take all the Z7 advantage of sensor density. With Sraw and Mraw, I would not consider Z6 if you are willing to stretch on price now. If anything is implied in my mind, I think Z glass will beat most Leica M glass.
Sorry I couldn’t multiquote because I am on iPhone.
Mathieu18 wrote:
This thread is got me leaning Z6 with the 24-70 and the 35 is my main AF kit… Keep the photos coming!
Random question... does the bottom of the FTZ adapter sit flush with the bottom of the camera? Or does it protrude below?
p.7 #18 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Hi, Charles, remember I persuade you not sell D850, I guess I said too early. Today, I have another two hour short hiking with Z7. I keep optimize setting on it during the walk. The more I use it, the more I like it.
I can’t recommend 24-70S highly. 70mm at f4, corner is a little weaker, that is it. The whole zoom range has no flaw. Alt people has asking small prime lens with slow aperture, this is. Nikon give you a set of these 24, 28, 35, 50, 70 in a single 500g body. The push in design when not use is so smart. I love it.
The control ring can be programmed, I set it as exposure compensation. It is so easy to do EVF adjust than any wheel on body, use it you will find it is so natural response in field.
The more smart thing is if you set lens in manual, the control ring automatically revert back to focusing ring, such a little detail make you appreciate the tool is designed for photographer.
I planed use voigtlander 35mm f1.7 on Z for my 35mm use, now I think I might just buy the 35mm f1.8. Did you notice all Nikon Z lenses have almost no CA. Wonderful.
If a few week ago I still think it is possible a market trick on Mount, now I have no doubt. I can see how Nikon engineer have been struggle with their F Mount after comparing Z24-70 with G
I am thinking what should I do in the future now, you got the hint
charles.K wrote:
Michael, great examples of what the 24-70s/Z7 can produce. I have always noticed that the appearance of sharpness and acuity with smaller formats or less sharp FF lenses/bodies is compensated by having higher contrast/clarity but the shots above are almost pastel and yet wonderfully sharp. This is where the line between MF and FF is becoming a lot more blurred
With my brief testing with Z7, I always test different AF combinations. Even with the D850 I find with the Sigma 24/35 Art I use AF-C but d9 or d25 as standard. It seems the single point does not present enough data to give you as accurate/fast AF. Similarly I use a different AF combinations for each, 28E, 58G and 105E on the D850 and of course it depends on your intentions.
It is interesting to note that the Z7 is proving to be an amazing IQ producing system!...Show more →
p.7 #19 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I have the same feeling! I will be selling my D850 as much as I love it but there is no point having both for now. For my style of photography and including video clips the Z7 will be great in combo with these S series lenses!
zhangyue wrote:
Hi, Charles, remember I persuade you not sell D850, I guess I said too early. Today, I have another two hour short hiking with Z7. I keep optimize setting on it during the walk. The more I use it, the more I like it.
I can’t recommend 24-70S highly. 70mm at f4, corner is a little weaker, that is it. The whole zoom range has no flaw. Alt people has asking small prime lens with slow aperture, this is. Nikon give you a set of these 24, 28, 35, 50, 70 in a single 500g body. The push in design when not use is so smart. I love it.
The control ring can be programmed, I set it as exposure compensation. It is so easy to do EVF adjust than any wheel on body, use it you will find it is so natural response in field.
The more smart thing is if you set lens in manual, the control ring automatically revert back to focusing ring, such a little detail make you appreciate the tool is designed for photographer.
I planed use voigtlander 35mm f1.7 on Z for my 35mm use, now I think I might just buy the 35mm f1.8. Did you notice all Nikon Z lenses have almost no CA. Wonderful.
If a few week ago I still think it is possible a market trick on Mount, now I have no doubt. I can see how Nikon engineer have been struggle with their F Mount after comparing Z24-70 with G
I am thinking what should I do in the future now, you got the hint
p.7 #20 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
BTW, One more flaw to the list.
For Nikon AIS or ZF user, there is no coupling for aperture between FTZ and lens now, you can only select aperture on lens and Z7 won't know aperture you selected. And it will not focus at f5.6 if you choose f11,(ZF.2 will do) it will just shoot at f11. For ZF on D850, you can set aperture on lens, and it is still auto aperture and Camera will record aperture used in EXIF.
Another bummer for adapting lens. ZF will be like a leica R with no EXIF on aperture used.
