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It’s not only who will upgrade but what Nikon users will now switch. I agree the Z6 is still a great camera and at 1600 vs 2000 that’s probably an appropriate discount. But there’s not a huge reason to sell the Z6 for a Z6II, but to me anyway that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a place. Full featured grip, better AF, two slots, a few shooting niceties, maybe they should have been in the Z6 but they’re still useful and important for some.

As far as who will pick it? Well like I said Nikon migraters might take a
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As long as many hold the same opinion as you do, Nikon will be fine.
I think you are right about I am niche user. I wish they good and I am a loyal Nikon user for past 10 years or so. I might get D900 myself



Jan 26, 2021 at 09:11 PM
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This is a long shot (because...why would you have both of these?) but has anybody tested the Voigtlander 40mm 1.2 M mount against the E mount version of the same lens on the Z bodies? All else being equal, I'd much prefer to own the M mount, but I'd use the E mount adapted if the image quality was notably better. The conventional wisdom seems to be that the E mount is better on digital bodies, but I can't seem to find a comparison that shows if that statement is true.


Feb 02, 2021 at 10:21 PM
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I think 40mm is the one less sensitive to sensor stack. Since Nikon is in the middle in term sensor stack thickness. You will be fine choose either way. If you are also a Sony user or plan to be, then E Mount.

Otherwise, it make sense to get M version that you can adapt any Mount later.

With e Mount adapt to Z, make sure adapter you use can take advantage of IBIS. I am not following this but before there is issue for this that treat every lens as 50mm. In that sense, simple enter lens focal is preferred with M version.

M version is also smaller.

Lucas.Hale wrote:
This is a long shot (because...why would you have both of these?) but has anybody tested the Voigtlander 40mm 1.2 M mount against the E mount version of the same lens on the Z bodies? All else being equal, I'd much prefer to own the M mount, but I'd use the E mount adapted if the image quality was notably better. The conventional wisdom seems to be that the E mount is better on digital bodies, but I can't seem to find a comparison that shows if that statement is true.




Feb 03, 2021 at 01:34 PM
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I used to shoot on a Sony A7 and while I did I had a VM 35mm 1.7. Heavily smeared corners only corrected with a 5m front optical filter... and even then, the filter required a shorter adapter which I failed to find. That lens was never fully utilized for me on Sony and so I sold it, but the pictures I took with it I really liked particularly for the rendering.

That was a while ago and I just received another copy of the VM 35mm 1.7 for my Z5. I've only had time to do some basic tests on it but so far from what I can tell the field curvature on the Z camera is far less than what it was on my Sony. Wide open, smearing is much less on the Z5 and while the worst of it is isolated to the extreme corners I can see that the periphery is still affected by some field curvature. Maybe a weak front filter could fully correct any residual field curvature, but after doing some corner tests I'm thinking it may not be necessary at all - peripheral curvature and coma is noticeably cleaned up at f/2.8.

The 5m front filter I used for the Sony has mixed results on the Z5. Wide open at 1.7 focusing for the center it seems to fully correct the field curvature, but when stopped down to f2.8 and confirming center focus the field curvature is over-corrected and a large chunk of the image is worse. I've only been able to confirm this on my indoor lens chart and unfortunately I can't confirm it at infinity because once again my adapter isn't short enough. When comparing lens chart images taken on the stock Z5 setup to the filtered images taken with the Sony the behavior and curvature is similar..

I'll be doing some real shooting with it this holiday weekend so I can hopefully share some images.



May 26, 2021 at 09:56 AM
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Z7 + 28mm Summicron V1




Jul 29, 2021 at 07:04 AM
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Z7 + 28mm Summicron V1

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51342129614_9c280969dc_h.jpg


Unfortunately those corners look pretty funky.



Jul 29, 2021 at 07:43 AM
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Ran across your post - Thanks for the info regarding the Ultron on a Nikon Z, I have been considering obtaining a copy for my Z6, having read the Phillip Reeve reviews on the Sony. However the correction lens set up and the effect on infinity focus seemed to be a bit of a pain. Glad to hear this lens worked ( mostly) OK on your Z5 - I know a differnt sensor, but since it is optimized for Nikon Z lenses it must have a very similar stack.

Using "alternative" lenses on the Z has been interesting - my CV21/3.5 is a wonderful lens, very small and sharp. I have several vintage Minolta MC and Md lenses, while not as small as the CV ( with adapter) - they all render very well on the Z and are fun to use.

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Aug 02, 2021 at 08:20 AM
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zhangyue wrote:
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What make people think current Z is preferred over Sony or Canon if original Z didn't grab enough market share three years ago?

...I love it but will market love it as much as I do


By one measure (using unknown metrics), I'd say both Canon and Nikon made the right moves, it has taken a while to see the results but I suspect they are there if one looks...

Something I've followed for a number of years now is flickr's Camera Explorer, Average Daily User numbers. This combined with some other user data. The Camera Explorer numbers fluctuate so at any one time they are merely a snapshot of that moment but the numbers are quite good at showing trends.

When flicker included upload numbers (no longer provided) the cross reference with ave. daily user numbers became more meaningful and it was easy to see how phones did in the compact (P&S) market. Not that long ago two of the top five Sony cameras were the a6000 and Xperia. The a6000 is still there. If you look at the top five cameras for each of the three major players now, and watch these numbers over the next nine months or so, you'll get a taste of how the market is playing out... I'm not sure if any of the self-anointed influencers can really see the forest... ; - )

Camera Explorer:

https://www.flickr.com/cameras



Aug 02, 2021 at 11:28 AM
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p.50 #9 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


mapgraphs wrote:
By one measure (using unknown metrics), I'd say both Canon and Nikon made the right moves, it has taken a while to see the results but I suspect they are there if one looks...

Something I've followed for a number of years now is flickr's Camera Explorer, Average Daily User numbers. This combined with some other user data. The Camera Explorer numbers fluctuate so at any one time they are merely a snapshot of that moment but the numbers are quite good at showing trends.

When flicker included upload numbers (no longer provided) the cross reference with ave. daily user numbers became
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I didnt see any information about Z or R perform in the link. Do I need click some link further?

Anyway, my view point is indeed niche. Most of my complains with Z are from adapting point of view.

Some of early complains about Z6/7II are really quite objective by viewing the pace Canon and Sony brought to market and how capable those cameras are so far. Most of features are not important for me anyway but I can't deny Nikon is lagging on paper right now. I hope Z9 or Z8 change that.

In terms of lenses, If I go back a few years ago that I need find myself a mirrorless system to start given selection we have now, it is hard to not pick up a Sony body with a set of pro premium lenses. I didnt have this feeling at the time start my thread. Z was more competitive then IMHO.



Aug 02, 2021 at 05:11 PM
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Hi everybody,
After having read through most pages of the first thread, I adore the visual outcome and I am grateful for all the insights provided, I have some questions for you:

I will switch from D750 to Z6II or Z7, not sure yet which, and am searching for a set of light, affordable alt lenses, MF. I will probabely also get the 24-70/4.0 due to zhangye's extensive praise ;-)

I still have and often use a full set of Zeiss ZF/Zf.2 lenses:
21/2.8, 25/2.0, 25/2.8, 28/2.0, 35/2.0, 50/1.4, 50/2.0 Macro, 85/1.4, 100/2.0 Macro

I didn't care much about the Nikon lenses, and sold some already, but still have a
50/1.8 D hardly used
80-200 2,8 D not used much due to its weight
70-300 4,5-5,6 G ED sometimes used for travel and wildlife

my usual walk around set is Zeiss 21, 35 and 100, or one of the 25-28 and 85. Both 50s don't get used much. I also don't shoot much between 100 and 300.

Now, with the adaptability of M and VM glass to Nikon Z I would love to create another 3 lens set between around 21mm (or wider) up to around 100, and my hope is that it would be lighter then the Zeiss tanks.
So, next to interesting rendering and smooth bokeh (bevor sharpness) my interest is that the lenses weight not much more than 300g each, to make a really light set. I am not willing to invest to much, so I will try to find 2nd hand copies and stick to the lenses that have the most bang for the buck. So no Luxes or Noctons, I am afraid. If the lens can close focus as a bonus, I will go for that (like Zeiss 25/2.8). I like to shoot things in the foreground with background bokeh. I do mostly landscape, city+architecture, flowers/makro, some portraits. 95% MF.

Other than the Zeisses I also own a
- Macro Elmarit 60/2.8 R leitaxed to Nikon F (goes to 1:2) and a

- Zeiss C/Y 50/1.7 (not leitaxed, since it is not the leitaxable version), I saw that there are adapters for Z starting from 30 €, so I will give this a try

- APO Telyt 280/4 R leitaxed to Nikon, but not used much due to weight, which i hope will come to new life with IBIS. I also have a Leica 1.4 x and a 2.0 x converter for this. Anyone tried this yet?

- I also own a G9 and 100-400 which is rigged up with a Senheiser mic for filming birds, and I also use it for bird fotos, but have to take the rigg apart. Don't care much about m4/3 for general fotografy though. Should try with the 12-60 Leica, which I also have. It is just such a hassle to take the rigg apart.

Due to the very interesting and useful information in this thread, I concluded that
- Voigtländer 15/4.5 Wide Heliar asph III would be worth a try
- 21 SEM if I can find used one for a good price
- Voigt 35/1.7 Ultron for lightness or invest in a used
- 35/1.4 Distagon ZM for bokeh and quality
I don't care much about the 50s, and the ones I already have will do plenty, since they are all not that heavy.

on the long end I am not quite sure about what to consider, I am thinking about
- Summarit 75/2.4 or 90/2.4 or
- CY 85/2.8 Sonnar (don't know anything about it) or
- Macro Elmar 90/4.0 with Macro adapter (although I think, when I want to do Macro I will rather stick to my Macro Planars)

I will be grateful for suggestions what I could get to add to my alt-use of the NIkon Z (in addition to my Zeisses).

cyra



Aug 29, 2021 at 09:15 AM
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If you want me recommend body, I would say Z7. Especially you don’t need AF of mkII improvement. I simply like Z7 file better especially at pixel level. ISO 64 sound great. You mainly use prime lens so crop definitely nice to have. Z7 also offer more in camera crop option compare to Z6, I have no idea why Nikon limit Z6 here. Nikon’s crop option is at raw level which I personally like. This is different than most manufactures out there.

As for lens, for size and weight priority, I will look hard on latest Voigtlander glasses such as 21mmf3.5, 28mmf2, 35/50APo,75/f1.5. I personally will not buy Leica glass on Z if I don’t have M system. No matter how good they are. If you plan M system later, then it is a different talk.

I actually bought back ZE to have auto aperture function and can be adapted to GFX. It is great that I can use them on any systems later, it is clear that I don’t want lock myself in any system. Most latest AF glass are implemented with focus by wire. And most manual glasses now have no auto aperture. (Means I can’t focus wide open but shooting aperture)

Z’s implementation on focus is not my preference. Before F5.6, it will focus at shooting aperture, after that, it stay at f5.6 if you shoot f8 f11. There is no way you can adjust this setting. I personally think this is weird and stupid given Nikon’s SLR background. FUJI, Panasonic get this correct. Sony has option to select and I don’t know about Canon R yet.

Hope this help you a little.
cyra wrote:
Hi everybody,
After having read through most pages of the first thread, I adore the visual outcome and I am grateful for all the insights provided, I have some questions for you:

I will switch from D750 to Z6II or Z7, not sure yet which, and am searching for a set of light, affordable alt lenses, MF. I will probabely also get the 24-70/4.0 due to zhangye's extensive praise ;-)

I still have and often use a full set of Zeiss ZF/Zf.2 lenses:
21/2.8, 25/2.0, 25/2.8, 28/2.0, 35/2.0, 50/1.4, 50/2.0 Macro, 85/1.4, 100/2.0 Macro

I didn't care much about the Nikon lenses,
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Aug 30, 2021 at 11:14 AM
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thanks Michael, I actually got a Z7 with only a few hundred clicks with a 24-70 and 5 year insurance for a bargain on e-bay.
So I will first work on my Zeiss lenses with it, and look into the Voigtlander lenses some more.
I just realized the SLIIs versions are actually Nikon mount.

What about Leica R? I guess they are cheaper nowadays, since not many people still use them? Any suggestions there? I guess they are much heavier though than the M lenses.
My impression is, that all the lenses for M mount are considerably smaller and lighter, that, together with their superb character would be my intention to get them.
even for Zeiss, if a C/Y or ZM lens is much lighter and smaller and renders similar as ZF, I might want to trade. Or am I missing some drawbacks in handling?



Aug 30, 2021 at 04:47 PM
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Congratulations on Z and 2470f4. I still think this is the best FF one lens setup for landscape.
As for R, unless you want those water color rendering of 80lux and 50lux e60, I don’t think they offer more than ZF you have. They are not cheaper as far as I can see. I still have 80lux, one of my favorite lens and 100 APO which can cover GFX easily and using 58mm filter through 60 to 58mm down ring.
As for CY or ZM, I personally don’t enjoy focus stop down. The same apply with above 80 and 100R but they are offering something I need that I can take the trade off. 80mm I almost never stop down and 100r is small using 58mm filter shared with GFX30/45.

If you don’t mind those limitation, they(Zm vm or M glass) are indeed smaller than ZF you have. Keep in mind, many of them, especially wide, you need stop them down to f8 to f11 to get good performance on Z. I feel there is no smear like Sony Ax system but I also feel they never as crisp as on M system. Somehow, in render department, I always prefer SLR glasses like R or ZF to M glasses for the same focal.
On the other hand, Z native glasses are quite good depend on if you want AF or not. I would say it is really hard to beat lens like 85mm f1.8s with any adapted glasses if you don’t mind AF

And don’t forget Nikon have 28E, 58G and 105E with real focus ring AF glasses, they are superb.
cyra wrote:
thanks Michael, I actually got a Z7 with only a few hundred clicks with a 24-70 and 5 year insurance for a bargain on e-bay.
So I will first work on my Zeiss lenses with it, and look into the Voigtlander lenses some more.
I just realized the SLIIs versions are actually Nikon mount.

What about Leica R? I guess they are cheaper nowadays, since not many people still use them? Any suggestions there? I guess they are much heavier though than the M lenses.
My impression is, that all the lenses for M mount are considerably smaller
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Aug 30, 2021 at 05:58 PM
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Michael,

I am not so familiar with the Leica names,
80lux = Summilux R 80/1.4
100 APO = Macro-Elmarit R 100/2.8?

As far as I understand, you should be able to still see well through the viewfinder, even if the lens is stopped down. Isn't that the advantage of the Z-system, or am I missing something? What about, if the lens has a Leitax Dandelion?

R lenses wouldn't be any lighter then the ZF lenses, once I add the adapter, I am afraid. I have a Nikon-leitaxed Macro R 60/2.8, I might get a R 28 or 35 to go with it, and maybe a 90 Summicron for a small set of Leica lenses.

I understand that generally it is not a good idea to adapt wideangle M lenses to Z, because of bad corners. And the longer focal lenses still miss close focus abilities.

Have you got any insights (another thread?) about the Voigtländer close focus adapter for VM lenses?

My main focus for adding lenses to my Zeisses would be the lighter weight and smallness of M lenses and some interesting different rendering - a step into Leica world through the adaptability of the Z.

Except that I hate hauling more then 2 or 3 of them around, I am very happy with the Zeiss lenses.

I will look into those Nikon lenses. These are all rather heavy beasts, although the rendering seams to be georgeaus.

edit: I looked into the Nikon lenses, you mean 28/2.8 E and 100 2.8 E, these are indeed rather small. have to see where I can find, how they render. 58/1.4 G has wonderful rendering.



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Finally I have got everything together, and put the FTZ on the Z7 and wanted to try out the Zeiss lenses.
It seems that neither ZF nor ZF.2 can be set on the aperture ring, but have to be put in F22 position to set aperture with the front dial. WHAT
Am I missing something? Do I have to change a setting? Didn't find anything that lets me change this, so I can use my aperture ring as always.
I can't even shoot, since the message to put the aperture to its smallest value just sits there and won't go away.
Is that all the FTZ does for adapting? This would be pretty disappointing for me.
The same is the case with a leitaxed LEICA R 60/2.8.
Do I have a setting wrong somewhere?



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cyra wrote:
Michael,

I am not so familiar with the Leica names,
80lux = Summilux R 80/1.4
100 APO = Macro-Elmarit R 100/2.8?



Yes, that is correct.

cyra wrote:
As far as I understand, you should be able to still see well through the viewfinder, even if the lens is stopped down. Isn't that the advantage of the Z-system, or am I missing something? What about, if the lens has a Leitax Dandelion?


Yes, you can see well for sure but it is hard to focus and optimize DOF quickly if you don't do magnified view which I dont enjoy on quick shooting. Give me enough time, all these are no or not a big issue though I just enjoy focus wide open more no matter what. I don't need WYSWYG.

cyra wrote:
R lenses wouldn't be any lighter then the ZF lenses, once I add the adapter, I am afraid. I have a Nikon-leitaxed Macro R 60/2.8, I might get a R 28 or 35 to go with it, and maybe a 90 Summicron for a small set of Leica lenses.


Yes, that is why I said I don't see much difference adapt R glasses if you have ZF unless you have a specific need for rendering.

cyra wrote:
I understand that generally it is not a good idea to adapt wideangle M lenses to Z, because of bad corners. And the longer focal lenses still miss close focus abilities.

Have you got any insights (another thread?) about the Voigtländer close focus adapter for VM lenses?

My main focus for adding lenses to my Zeisses would be the lighter weight and smallness of M lenses and some interesting different rendering - a step into Leica world through the adaptability of the Z.



The problem for me is multiple as mentioned. First is stop down shooting. 2nd is price, for most of M glasses, I can tolerate corner sharpness drop off as many of them dont have those issues and a few do have issue can always be stop down. However, it is very hard to justify M price used on MILC camera IMHO. You lose a big deal which is rangefinder focus. As for close focus adapter, it is usually heavy and many of latest Leica Glass have floating element will perform poorly with this kind of tube and this remind me another problem adapt M glasses that usually require a precision adapter to have correct flange distance to get 'correct' performance.

cyra wrote:
Except that I hate hauling more then 2 or 3 of them around, I am very happy with the Zeiss lenses.

I will look into those Nikon lenses. These are all rather heavy beasts, although the rendering seams to be georgeaus.

edit: I looked into the Nikon lenses, you mean 28/2.8 E and 100 2.8 E, these are indeed rather small. have to see where I can find, how they render. 58/1.4 G has wonderful rendering.


Yes, that at least is my take on ZF or ZE. I just love them. On bench, they are no longer top but real world images were not suffer.

For size and weight, they are actually not bad at all if you consider latest pro AF glasses are not small or light. Of course, if you need AF, it will be totally different topic.

The Nikon glasses I refer above were: 58mm f1.4G F mount, 28mm f1.4E and 105mm f1.4E F mount. They are the best Nikon glasses IMHO. (the most Z glasses are great too but focus by wire)



Sep 15, 2021 at 11:42 PM
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cyra wrote:
Finally I have got everything together, and put the FTZ on the Z7 and wanted to try out the Zeiss lenses.
It seems that neither ZF nor ZF.2 can be set on the aperture ring, but have to be put in F22 position to set aperture with the front dial. WHAT
Am I missing something? Do I have to change a setting? Didn't find anything that lets me change this, so I can use my aperture ring as always.


Yes, Most pro Nikon SLR will allow you to do both either on body or lens aperture but unfortunately FTZ can't. I wasn't bothered much on this TBH as I can always use body to control aperture. However, FTZ is one of my biggest complain as it cant drive AFD glasses. It has been many years without much update. This is just a very small thing Nikon can do for their loyal followers. I know, maybe not much money can be made, but....

cyra wrote:
I can't even shoot, since the message to put the aperture to its smallest value just sits there and won't go away.
Is that all the FTZ does for adapting? This would be pretty disappointing for me.
The same is the case with a leitaxed LEICA R 60/2.8.
Do I have a setting wrong somewhere?


No, you can shoot just fine. You can use body wheel to control aperture after you put lens aperture to its smallest aperture. For leitaxed Leica R, you can just use aperture ring. IT behave like a dumb adapter in case of leitax Leica R on FTZ. You can't do with ZF or AIS through FTZ because Z will complain but a dumb adapter will do what you want if you insist control aperture by aperture ring.

BTW, if you do decide use body control aperture for your ZF, you will see lens will stop down to aperture you selected upto f5.6. After f5.6, the aperture will stay f5.6 for focusing and only stop down during exposure. This is another complain I have. I don't have such an issue with Panasonic or Fuji camera but only Nikon. It give me no customerization on the way it focus: for example, focus either wide open or shooting aperture or even better give an option of selecting focus aperture such as f2.8 to avoid focus shift or for better contrast in viewfinder etc...




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Has anyone used Batis lenses with TZE-01 Sony E-Mount to Nikon Z Adapter on Z6 or Z7? This should be a much smaller solution then Zeiss ZF lenses with the FTZ Adapter.


Oct 04, 2021 at 08:13 AM
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Is there any difference between the TZE-O1 and the Megadap ETZ11?



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Linked this thread to both Nikon and Alt boards.


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