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Archive 2017 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

  
 
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Steve Spencer wrote:
They most certainly are not removing play memories. I think there will just be a new version. Play memories in mentioned many times in the spec page. See here:

https://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-7rm3/specifications#features


I'm less than certain. The A7RII specs page states:

PlayMemories Camera Apps™
Yes


Whereas the A7RIII specs page you linked to states:

PlayMemories Camera Apps™
-


The dash (instead of "yes") suggests to me the feature isn't present. The A7RII features page states the following:

Sony's application download service lets you add new functions and capabilities to your camera. There are apps for photo and movie effects to enhance and express your creativity, and others to allow your smartphone to function as a camera's remote control, for example

The only mentions of playmemories in the A7RIII specs page are to pairing with the Playmemories App on a smartphone, there is no mention of downloading apps onto the camera, (unlike with the A7RII page):

The camera can be paired with the PlayMemories Mobile app

PlayMemories Home application can be used on a personal computer

Ratings from 1 to 5 stars can be applied to still images and maintained as the images are imported into PlayMemories Home

Just install the PlayMemories Mobile app via Wi-Fi to your NFC-enabled Android device


I really hope you're right and they are releasing an improved app platform with the camera...


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Oct 25, 2017 at 03:20 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I had the numbers slightly off

399 phase-detection AF points covering 68%3 of image area, 425 contrast AF points and approximately 2 times more effective Eye AF4


Come to think of it: It is very interesting that Sony decided to add so many contrast AF points to the A7r3. Both A9 and A7r2 have 25 points. Maybe they were added to help with getting better focus accuracy on the high res sensor?

Anybody have an idea to why



Oct 25, 2017 at 03:24 PM
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Trying to figure that one out myself


Oct 25, 2017 at 03:25 PM
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Wouldn't that coincide with the increase to -4 EV since it switches from Phase to Contrast in low light?


Oct 25, 2017 at 03:32 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I had the numbers slightly off

399 phase-detection AF points covering 68%3 of image area, 425 contrast AF points and approximately 2 times more effective Eye AF4


Beside the number of PDAF points, the detection and response refreshing rate (A9 = 60 times per second, 1/20fps) is very important parameters for AF to function well. I am wonder what is the detection rate for A7Riii, for sure it won't be closed to A9 Eye-AF.



Oct 25, 2017 at 03:33 PM
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Luvwine wrote:
Question re pixel shift, since it has to be combined in software (Sony software?), how much of an improvement is this over shooting longer focal lengths and stitching?


Pixel shift is still limited by the lens, whereas stitching a longer focal length offers potentially much higher (depending on the focal length and the number of shots).

However pixel shift does have some advantages. It is superior when you are focal length limited or magnification limited. It doesn't require a panoramic tripod head, it will never suffer from parallax errors, it requires less manual intervention, and the software processing is easier (no stitching, perspective adjustment or even demosaicing required).

jhinkey wrote:
Pixel shift is all about increasing the effective resolution and has nothing to do with stitching to get a wider FOV by combining multiple overlapping images.


Actually stitching with a longer lens can be used to increase the effective resolution, so it is highly related to pixel shift.

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Oct 25, 2017 at 03:39 PM
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Having watched the Sony Press Release Video and the panel they assembled I'd say Sony is billing this is the new jack of all trades camera.

2 years ago the R line was a high megapixel, quite capable camera, but always better suited to slower moving photography. Sony said so themselves (during the presser) that two years is an eternity in camera tech. Now they pump up the speed and handling essentially give us the camera we all wanted 2 years ago.

So that leaves us with the a73 being the budget FF (with features removed).

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Crass is one interpretation of Sony's strategy. But as someone who is in the camp of preferring a little more resolution over raw shoot speed, I have another interpretation - Sony's seemingly haphazard efforts to catch up in a market dominated by longstanding incumbents using a technology format that many "pros" were skeptical about may be the result of real technical and experiential constraints. There's certainly some business strategy in the product parsing as well (and why not? CaNikon are notorious for their seemingly arbitrary inclusion or denial of features in a given model), but it seems that as the capabilities of cameras and the market for them evolves, the increasing push for more versatile cameras will dominate Sony's thinking now that they have the technology. This is in evidence with the A7R III and A9, and with Nikon in its D850 product.

In less than five years Sony has (through two iterations of the A7 in its various flavors and one iteration of the A9) caught up to the incumbent SLR cameras in most respects. They've also shown through the A9 the potential advantages of a solid mirrorless platform going forward. I imagine they're still trying to figure out how to parse the feature sets, but this may not be totally arbitrary or driven by "crass" business considerations. Some of the features unique to the A9 live on the sensor, and the sensor on the A9 isn't just a variant of the one on the A7 - it's fabricated entirely differently, with a lot of additional functionality etched right into the dye. The benefits of that fabrication approach may not be so easily descendable to other cameras in the lineup. Furthermore, designing a 42MP version of the BSI sensor may itself require significant design, testing, and retooling of the chip fab to handle it. Hence, an A9R may just be a question of finalizing a BSI design and manufacturing process for a high resolution BSI sensor, which may present challenges that the 24MP sensor did not.

So, even if we assume that Sony is planning an A9R, I don't think that Sony was wrong or "crass" to release an A9 with a 24Mp sensor. That camera rightly made a pretty big impact in the minds of photographers looking for a high performance camera, as it matches or outperforms much larger and more expensive Canikon equivalents. I know it certainly influenced me, considering that I own an A9 as my first-ever Sony camera. the camera is fabulous and makes great images, and while I initially did consider selling it in favor of the A7R III, I see now that there are aspects of the A9 that may give me pause in taking that course of action.



Oct 25, 2017 at 03:42 PM
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Today for some reason, I decided to sell my well cared for, two-year old A7r2 and am looking to get the shutter count. The tool I normally use doesn't seem to be working with macOS High Sierra. http://tools.science.si/index.php Any other apps out there I might try?




Oct 25, 2017 at 03:44 PM
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Arka wrote:
Crass is one interpretation of Sony's strategy. But as someone who is in the camp of preferring a little more resolution over raw shoot speed, I have another interpretation - Sony's seemingly haphazard efforts to catch up in a market dominated by longstanding incumbents using a technology format that many "pros" were skeptical about may be the result of real technical and experiential constraints. There's certainly some business strategy in the product parsing as well (and why not? CaNikon are notorious for their seemingly arbitrary inclusion or denial of features in a given model), but it seems that as the
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I have to say as the biggest pig of wanting more and more MPX. The A9 is just flat out killing it. I shot portraits yesterday that Im airbrushing right now with the Basis 135 and i have cut the sharpness, structure so far backs its ridiculous which is something I never had to do before. Credit to the Batis no question but this is a great sensor

This is heavily airbrushed






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Oct 25, 2017 at 03:48 PM
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I need to be honest: it reminds me a bit on the Canon 5D MkII and MkIII story years back: no improvement in sensor, just focus on AF performance. I personally hoped to see a 60 MP FF sensor with even more DR.....

Sorry, not interested in the A7R III since I don't need 4K video nor all the AF features....and not getting some of the Sony apps anymore is a big bummer here, too.

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Oct 25, 2017 at 03:49 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I have to say as the biggest pig of wanting more and more MPX. The A9 is just flat out killing it. I shot portraits yesterday that Im airbrushing right now with the Basis 135 and i have cut the sharpness, structure so far backs its ridiculous which is something I never had to do before. Credit to the Batis no question but this is a great sensor


It really is. And if you use good native Sony lenses on it for portraits like the 85 f/1.8 or 55 f/1.8, I find the images to be too sharp and too detailed. My go-to lenses for portraits now are my adapted Leica Summiluxes on the TAP adapter. Plenty sharp in the center with glorious OOF backgrounds. I plan to post a few of my favorites in the coming days. The setup is tiny and capable of incredible imaging - we really do live in amazing times, and if we find ourselves chasing the next best thing, we really have no one to blame but ourselves.



Oct 25, 2017 at 03:53 PM
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Arka wrote:
It really is. And if you use good native Sony lenses on it for portraits like the 85 f/1.8 or 55 f/1.8, I find the images to be too sharp and too detailed. My go-to lenses for portraits now are my adapted Leica Summiluxes on the TAP adapter. Plenty sharp in the center with glorious OOF backgrounds. I plan to post a few of my favorites in the coming days. The setup is tiny and capable of incredible imaging - we really do live in amazing times, and if we find ourselves chasing the next best thing, we really have
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Totally agree, we really have to be careful. Im guilty of the grass looks greener on the other side sometimes when your sitting on the best cam Sony ever made



Oct 25, 2017 at 03:58 PM
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mttran wrote:
Still not seeing the sony movement, don't you. Overall will be different ball game in couple years for soncanikon.


I’ve tried. I have had the A7R, A7II, A7S and the A7RII (plus the RX1 and RII) and a host of lenses. I’ve experienced what I judge to be the limitations in person and, despite my love for their FF sensors and Zeiss lenses, I’m still waiting for a camera I like that they’ll put those sensors in and I can put those lenses on.

I’m not the only one saying that and I believe that if they improved their menu system and made their bodies more intuitive and easier to handle, they truly could kill Canon and Nikon before those brands catch up, as they will.



Oct 25, 2017 at 03:58 PM
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mjm6 wrote:
This isn't pixel shift to increase the image resolution or file size (pixel dimensions), it's de-bayer-filtering the pixels, so this is really completely different from a stitching approach.


De-bayer filering the pixels does increase the resolution though - even though it doesn't increase the total number of pixels in the final image. Bayer images generally have less detail than the pixel count suggests.

So both methods increase the image resolution, hence they can be compared.

Luvwine wrote:
I have read folks saying that Sony's implementation of pixel shift will provide a 99 MP image file after combining.


It will be roughly equivalent to a standard Bayer sensor with 2x the pixels, so that's 84 megapixels. But that's only on average. On some (low saturation) subjects it will only be equivalent to ~50MP, but other subjects (strongly red or blue coloured) it will be equivalent to 169 megapixels.





Oct 25, 2017 at 04:02 PM
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Please no killing of Canikon - I like competition and having choices!

K-H.



Oct 25, 2017 at 04:02 PM
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While this might not be a massive step forward from the a7rii in terms of IQ, from an a7r perspective it's incredibly tempting. I'd get a a denser sensor, bigger and higher IQ EVF, phase detect AF, 4k video, IBIS, new larger battery, joystick, dual cards, a more durable body, and a slew of other things.

Previously I was thinking about an a7r/a99ii kit, but this takes most of the interesting a99ii features along with the only lens lineup Sony wants to continue making. I think my current a7r/a850 kit could be replaced by just this camera, and it would be better at everything than both



Oct 25, 2017 at 04:11 PM
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You would think Sony could have thrown in at least $100 discount when getting the A7R3 + 24-105/4 lens as a package... https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1369792-REG/sony_alpha_a7r_iii_mirrorless.html


Oct 25, 2017 at 04:18 PM
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This is a huge jump for you. No question I would jump all over it in your shoes


Oct 25, 2017 at 04:20 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
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3) It is becoming more obvious that the claim at SAR that the A7r III has the A9 autofocus was a vague and largely inaccurate claim. I am sure the A7r III will have much improved AF over the A7r II, but I will be very surprised if it is close to the A9. I actually expect it will be about halfway in between the A7rII and the A9, which is still pretty damn good. We already know for example that the A7r III has fewer AF points than the A9, and I think, not surprisingly with the fewer
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k-h.a.w wrote:
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My current thinking is, as I have an A7rII and A9 already, that I like and am going to keep, I might just skip the A7rIII and wait for the A9II and A9r.
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The only feature that might tempt me to upgrade from the A7rII is better autofocus performance with the Techart PRO and TA-GA3 adapters. I think Steve's view that the A7rIII's autofocus "will be about halfway in between the A7rII and the A9" is both realistic and likely. Since you own both the A7rII and the A9, Karl-Heinz, disregarding Eye AF is autofocus with the Techart adapters significantly better on the A9 than the A7rII? If it's not, then there's probably no point in my upgrading. I realize that the most reliable evidence will come from someone who has an A9, an A7rIII, and both Techart adapters. But such a person will be extremely rare, I suspect.



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johnvanr wrote:
I’ve tried. I have had the A7R, A7II, A7S and the A7RII (plus the RX1 and RII) and a host of lenses. I’ve experienced what I judge to be the limitations in person and, despite my love for their FF sensors and Zeiss lenses, I’m still waiting for a camera I like that they’ll put those sensors in and I can put those lenses on.

I’m not the only one saying that and I believe that if they improved their menu system and made their bodies more intuitive and easier to handle, they truly could kill Canon and Nikon before those
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Have you tried the A9? I'm having a hard time understanding what there isn't to like about that camera. The ergonomics and customizability are superb. There are a few quirks that I would love to take out of the buried menus, and some commonly used things (like formatting cards) are little more deeply buried than I'd prefer. I'd also like to a lock on the rear function wheel (I use if for ISO, and more than once it gets bumped to the wrong ISO). But between the custom buttons and the 3 memory modes, I'm hard pressed to find things that really put me off. And this is from someone who just came over from Nikon and Leica cameras, both of which have outstanding ergonomics.



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