So: I have the M 240. My primary concern with M 240 was I also like to do occasional landscaping and that sometimes require long exposures. M 240 is limited to only 60 seconds, 8 seconds with higher ISO. Lousy. Now it Turns out M10 only goes to 125 seconds, mere 1 minute more. Which is still a lousy result. I am somewhat baffled why Leica seems to be the only company out there who can't solve the mystery of BULB MODE. Not even in year 2017.
Otherwise it looks really good and I like the new slimmer look. Yet I am one step closer of selling my existing Leica Kit and go for the new Hasselblad.
I agree with you about long exposure. What a pity.
Still, Overall, I feel this M10 is a home run from Leica.
Tmuussoni wrote:
So: I have the M 240. My primary concern with M 240 was I also like to do occasional landscaping and that sometimes require long exposures. M 240 is limited to only 60 seconds, 8 seconds with higher ISO. Lousy. Now it Turns out M10 only goes to 125 seconds, mere 1 minute more. Which is still a lousy result. I am somewhat baffled why Leica seems to be the only company out there who can't solve the mystery of BULB MODE. Not even in year 2017.
Otherwise it looks really good and I like the new slimmer look. Yet I am one step closer of selling my existing Leica Kit and go for the new Hasselblad. ...Show more →
Tmuussoni wrote:
So: I have the M 240. My primary concern with M 240 was I also like to do occasional landscaping and that sometimes require long exposures. M 240 is limited to only 60 seconds, 8 seconds with higher ISO. Lousy. Now it Turns out M10 only goes to 125 seconds, mere 1 minute more. Which is still a lousy result. I am somewhat baffled why Leica seems to be the only company out there who can't solve the mystery of BULB MODE. Not even in year 2017.
Otherwise it looks really good and I like the new slimmer look. Yet I am one step closer of selling my existing Leica Kit and go for the new Hasselblad. ...Show more →
When I discussed the M240 when released with my friends at Leica USA (PhotoPlus years ago) they agreed that the camera is intended as a fast hand held camera and that tripod mounting and usage for longer than 60 seconds (and now 125 seconds for the new M10) was not its real intended usage. It is unfortunate as is the fact that again the camera is limited to 24MP. It would be nice if a manufacturer could come up with a way of throwing a switch or something in the menu to change the MP recording so as an example it could record at 42 or 36MP and also if preferred to record at 24MP.
Tmuussoni wrote:
So: I have the M 240. My primary concern with M 240 was I also like to do occasional landscaping and that sometimes require long exposures. M 240 is limited to only 60 seconds, 8 seconds with higher ISO. Lousy. Now it Turns out M10 only goes to 125 seconds, mere 1 minute more.
That one minute is huge for Milky Way and / or Northern Lights photography. As long as it works at all ISO's, which I haven't seen confirmation of yet.
I also love the slimmer form factor, I thought the M240 felt very fat.
Vern Dewit wrote:
That one minute is huge for Milky Way and / or Northern Lights photography. As long as it works at all ISO's, which I haven't seen confirmation of yet.
I also love the slimmer form factor, I thought the M240 felt very fat.
naturephoto1 wrote:
When I discussed the M240 when released with my friends at Leica USA (PhotoPlus years ago) they agreed that the camera is intended as a fast hand held camera and that tripod mounting and usage for longer than 60 seconds (and now 125 seconds for the new M10) was not its real intended usage. It is unfortunate as is the fact that again the camera is limited to 24MP. It would be nice if a manufacturer could come up with a way of throwing a switch or something in the menu to change the MP recording so as an example it could record at 42 or 36MP and also if preferred to record at 24MP.
All I can say is I think this excuse is total rubbish. There is no excuse for such flaw. Leica being a rangefinder it has nothing to do with inability to shoot long exposures. All film M have had bulb mode for decades. May I remind you that every SINGLE camera, DSLR or mirrorless, they all provide a functional bulb mode. Panasonic, Fuji, Sony, Canon, Nikon, you name it - they all have bulb modes. Leica is the only one with such issues. I just can't understand what is the reason for this. Even the Leica S 007 gives only 120 seconds. And it's 17 000 $ camera. I apologize if I came on little strong. But this totally bugs me out and I am sure I am not the only one with this concern.
Vern Dewit wrote:
That one minute is huge for Milky Way and / or Northern Lights photography. As long as it works at all ISO's, which I haven't seen confirmation of yet.
I also love the slimmer form factor, I thought the M240 felt very fat.
I am currently looking for answer for this. If anyone finds info about exposure time going down with higher ISO please let me know. Thanks
All I can say is I think this excuse is total rubbish. There is no excuse for such flaw. Leica being a rangefinder it has nothing to do with inability to shoot long exposures. All film M have had bulb mode for decades. May I remind you that every SINGLE camera, DSLR or mirrorless, they all provide a functional bulb mode. Panasonic, Fuji, Sony, Canon, Nikon, you name it - they all have bulb modes. Leica is the only one with such issues. I just can't understand what is the reason for this. Even the Leica S 007 gives only 120 seconds. And it's 17 000 $ camera. I apologize if I came on little strong. But this totally bugs me out and I am sure I am not the only one with this concern.
Vern Dewit wrote:
That one minute is huge for Milky Way and / or Northern Lights photography. As long as it works at all ISO's, which I haven't seen confirmation of yet.
I also love the slimmer form factor, I thought the M240 felt very fat.
I'm betting that max exposure time will be significantly shorter at higher ISO. You'll need a separate landscape camera for that night-skies/northern lights trip methinks... unless you're OK shooting the skies at f/1.4.
I wish they can keep the same battery so M240 can be a back up as well as video use.
From reviewing, 2 stop improvement M240 without banding is great, with summilux, you can shoot under any condition.
I for one is impressed with this camera and it is a major upgrade compared to my M9 although I am not sure how much of an upgrade it is compared to the MM-246 but maybe that's comparing apples and oranges. As I see the M as a camera for handheld still photography I am not personally concerned about the lack of video or max shutter speed.
Overall the specs looks really good and the new thinner design with the ISO wheel and improved viewfinder is also making this camera very tempting to buy.
zhangyue wrote:
I wish they can keep the same battery so M240 can be a back up as well as video use.
From reviewing, 2 stop improvement M240 without banding is great, with summilux, you can shoot under any condition.
A new battery is of course a drawback but I guess it was a must with the thinner body.
joakim wrote:
I for one is impressed with this camera and it is a major upgrade compared to my M9 although I am not sure how much of an upgrade it is compared to the MM-246 but maybe that's comparing apples and oranges. As I see the M as a camera for handheld still photography I am not personally concerned about the lack of video or max shutter speed.
Overall the specs looks really good and the new thinner design with the ISO wheel and improved viewfinder is also making this camera very tempting to buy.
Maybe the rather modest improvements and refinements in the M10 are a statement on how good the M240 was (and still is). For my purposes, the M10's predecessor is still the better camera (though I would love another 2 stops of ISO and better electronics). I am not ready to give up video for a thinner camera with the quality of electronics the M240 should have had but didn't.
That said, the price isn't nearly as eye-watering as I might've expected. I paid more for my M240 than what they're charging for the M10.
zhangyue wrote:
I wish they can keep the same battery so M240 can be a back up as well as video use.
From reviewing, 2 stop improvement M240 without banding is great, with summilux, you can shoot under any condition.
Exactly.
If this camera really can shoot at ISO 6400, like the A7r2, or RX1r2, then it is a huge step in capability. Add to this the M6 form factor, bigger RF and mag, Nice EVF, and tools for LV, it is going to be Leica's most successful digital camera yet, for good reason.
DPreview never even managed a full review of the M9. They are gushing about this thing. And they claim ISO 6400 is good.
You really cannot overstate how well Leica has done with the M10. Good for them
As you know Charlie, just wait a year or two and pick up a decent used or demo copy....
Too bad about the different battery. That small detail is an annoyance meaning yet another charger and multiple battery types to bring along for a mixed system. Viewfinder diopter is also different, it seems, which adds another $150...
rscheffler wrote:
Also, could it be a Sony sensor?
That would be so rich
I predict M240 prices will drop 20% but M9, which is up 20% from it's low at 2200, will hold indefinitely, as the entry point and "classic" digital M
What is also hilarious: DPR is now "editing the DNGs to taste", after hanging out the poor SL files to dry in their bland OOC form. (hiding the rich DR- which you showed was in there). You can't make it up.
Canikon must knashing their teeth. This is a beautiful camera just to look at and it's about to be splashed all over the world. Leica has redone the M6 or M4 or whatever....the "one"
Meanwhile the D5 is bloated and ugly as ever, though very capable, of course. That won't get any attention though.
We are going to see the M10 actually ON the runways, as accessory to supermodel outfits
rscheffler wrote:
As you know Charlie, just wait a year or two and pick up a decent used or demo copy....
Too bad about the different battery. That small detail is an annoyance meaning yet another charger and multiple battery types to bring along for a mixed system. Viewfinder diopter is also different, it seems, which adds another $150...
The introduction of new diopters is a sensible sacrifice for the new viewfinder design. The eye-point has been increased by 50%, the viewing angle improved and the viewfinder is larger. This may be the best M viewfinder for spectacle wearers yet.
The add-on EVF should simplify the use of telephoto lenses and macro lenses, as well as serving as a wide angle finder.
