Has anyone received their M10 or at least a notification that it has been shipped and is on the way? It's been silent on the western front here. That, and I don't know how far down the order list I am. All this waiting is making me think about a certain new Fuji camera.
Not at all. BH charged my card full amount since the Jan18th. And they keep change the delivery date. I decide cancel the order a week ago. I am fine with M240 for now. I will wait till the time I can buy directly from shelf. I am still on a Leica store's list but don't really care when it is my turn now.
Alpha_Geist wrote:
Has anyone received their M10 or at least a notification that it has been shipped and is on the way? It's been silent on the western front here. That, and I don't know how far down the order list I am. All this waiting is making me think about a certain new Fuji camera.
I haven't received the M10 I ordered yet. I think they are arriving slowly. I can be patient for now anyway.
I received the phone call from my camera store that my black M10 is in for pickup. Apparently they were receiving more silver cameras than the black ones. I'm guessing if I wanted the silver version that I would have had it much earlier. Going to pick it up tomorrow and drive to San Francisco afterwards for some street shooting with it.
uhoh7 wrote:
If I shot only BW, I would not get M10, after looking just now on flickr at MM and 246. Not even close, to my eye, as far as clarity. Those cameras are in a whole other league. Somebody tell me I'm crazy.
That said, I'm sure M10 will do fine in the normal context of color sensors.
However, my decision has gotten a lot more complicated now that I did some further research.
I could pick up a used copy of the original Monochrom for $3-3.5K. But, if I bought a new 246, it would cost more than the M10.
I've seen some B&W and color images from the M10 and to me they are gorgeous. I tried to find a comparison of 246 images compared to M10 converted to B&W, but have yet to find any. Yes, the images from the 246 are better than from the M9-P. However, the M10 has a number of significant improvements over the M9-P that leads me to believe they would largely negate the advantages of the 246 dedicated B&W sensor.
I went on the hunt for a Monochrom, but now I'm thinking the M10 would be a better overall fit. Sometimes I think I should just stick with my trusty M3, but it is getting harder and harder to find a good lab to process the film. I could develop at home, but the per roll cost of a home C41 kit is close the develop only price of the labs I've found. Plus, from what I've seen, I could shoot at ISO 5,000 with the M10 and get less "grain" than when shooting with Plus-X.
However, my decision has gotten a lot more complicated now that I did some further research.
I could pick up a used copy of the original Monochrom for $3-3.5K. But, if I bought a new 246, it would cost more than the M10.
I've seen some B&W and color images from the M10 and to me they are gorgeous. I tried to find a comparison of 246 images compared to M10 converted to B&W, but have yet to find any. Yes, the images from the 246 are better than from the M9-P. However, the M10 has a number of significant improvements over the M9-P that leads me to believe they would largely negate the advantages of the 246 dedicated B&W sensor.
I went on the hunt for a Monochrom, but now I'm thinking the M10 would be a better overall fit. Sometimes I think I should just stick with my trusty M3, but it is getting harder and harder to find a good lab to process the film. I could develop at home, but the per roll cost of a home C41 kit is close the develop only price of the labs I've found. Plus, from what I've seen, I could shoot at ISO 5,000 with the M10 and get less "grain" than when shooting with Plus-X....Show more →
Sean Reid ( http://www.reidreviews.com )has a comparison if you are willing to pay for the subscription. I have the original Monochrom and now that my M10 has arrived I am trying to decide if it's worth keeping, given the M10 monochrome conversion. I wrestled with the film issue as well but the M7 was sold, along with the M240, to help pay for the M10
CVickery wrote:
Sean Reid has a comparison if you are willing to pay for the subscription. I have the original Monochrom and now that my M10 has arrived I am trying to decide if it's worth keeping, given the M10 monochrome conversion. I wrestled with the film issue as well but the M7 was sold, along with the M240, to help pay for the M10
What is your impression of converting M10 files to B&W compared to your Monochrom? Have you had a chance to compare? What is raising doubts about the M10 that would make you entertain whether it's worth keeping?
dmacmillan wrote:
What is your impression of converting M10 files to B&W compared to your Monochrom? Have you had a chance to compare? What is raising doubts about the M10 that would make you entertain whether it's worth keeping?
Just to be clear, the M10 is staying, it's the Monochrom I'm not sure about. I've only had the M10 a couple of days so I really haven't had much of a chance to compare. The few monchrome conversions I've done look quite good...no banding, decent noise performance even at high ISO. That being said, the Monochrom files still seem to have something unique.
CVickery wrote:
Just to be clear, the M10 is staying, it's the Monochrom I'm not sure about. I've only had the M10 a couple of days so I really haven't had much of a chance to compare. The few monchrome conversions I've done look quite good...no banding, decent noise performance even at high ISO. That being said, the Monochrom files still seem to have something unique.
Sorry for the confusion. What I've read is that the Monochrom's mid-tones seem to be better.
Since I have neither, I'd be more than happy to "settle" for the M10 if the B&W's were close, even if the Monochrom was slightly better.
I'm crazy even considering doing this, since my 5D is wonderful and more versatile. Still, I've shot everything from 35mm to 8x10, plus 16mm and 35mm motion picture both personally and professionally and there's just something about both the results and the shooting with a Leica.
dmacmillan wrote:
Sorry for the confusion. What I've read is that the Monochrom's mid-tones seem to be better.
Since I have neither, I'd be more than happy to "settle" for the M10 if the B&W's were close, even if the Monochrom was slightly better.
I'm crazy even considering doing this, since my 5D is wonderful and more versatile. Still, I've shot everything from 35mm to 8x10, plus 16mm and 35mm motion picture both personally and professionally and there's just something about both the results and the shooting with a Leica.
I realized my statement was ambiguous.
I'd say that the M10 (and the M240 actually) can produce B&W images that are quite close to the MM and MM246. The files are actually be more flexible due to highlight handling and ability to adjust color channels. That being said I find that when I go out with a color camera, I tend to think in color and as such I often don't end up converting the files. When I go out to shoot the Monochrom I'm looking for shots that lend to a B&W image.
Shooting with these cameras has a great deal to do with the subjective experience....they are fun to use, and there is a certain mindset that you get from using them. I suspect that this does make us a bit 'crazy'.
CVickery wrote:
I realized my statement was ambiguous.
I'd say that the M10 (and the M240 actually) can produce B&W images that are quite close to the MM and MM246. The files are actually be more flexible due to highlight handling and ability to adjust color channels. That being said I find that when I go out with a color camera, I tend to think in color and as such I often don't end up converting the files. When I go out to shoot the Monochrom I'm looking for shots that lend to a B&W image.
Shooting with these cameras has a great deal to do with the subjective experience....they are fun to use, and there is a certain mindset that you get from using them. I suspect that this does make us a bit 'crazy'....Show more →
I completely agree! I've only had the M10 two days and used it for less than the 6 hours I was in SF, but when I was shooting with it I was thinking in color. This is quite the opposite when I have the 246 in hand. I still have a small handful of M10 shots that I need to review and process, so I don't have much of an opinion on how the b&w conversions fair against the 246 native files. If I could only have one, it would be the M10 as you always have the option to convert to b&w. Plus, the shutter sound of the M10 is so sublime!
