Alpha_Geist wrote:
I completely agree! I've only had the M10 two days and used it for less than the 6 hours I was in SF, but when I was shooting with it I was thinking in color. This is quite the opposite when I have the 246 in hand. I still have a small handful of M10 shots that I need to review and process, so I don't have much of an opinion on how the b&w conversions fair against the 246 native files. If I could only have one, it would be the M10 as you always have the option to convert to b&w. Plus, the shutter sound of the M10 is so sublime! ...Show more →
Interesting. Since I'm a long time film user, I just made a mental note of what film (B&W, color negative or color transparency) was loaded and shot accordingly. I agree that with digital it's much harder to "see" the ultimate rendition of the image.
Maybe with the M10 I could pretend I'm actually shooting with two cameras. I'll raise the "B&W" M10 to my eye when appropriate. Other times, I'll raise the "color" M10 to my eye.
uhoh7 wrote:
Excellent shot of a beautiful machine, Adam
I'm so far behind you, I am only just getting a r2 (which I'll mod for M right away).
Thanks!
I've spent my budget for the the year and possibly all of next year for photography. I picked up the R2 exactly a week ago today and I'm itching to see how the new 35 cron and 28 elmarit perform on the R2, but I'm itching to shoot with the 10 again. I believe you may know more about the A7 series and which wide angle lenses play nice with the Sony cover glass (with & without Kolari mod), but from what I saw with the 75mm Cron on the R2, I had second thoughts on acquiring the M10 altogether. Each system has its strengths and weaknesses, and for all the diamonds and warts of the digital Leica rangefinders, you'd have to pry them from my cold dead hands. Haha!
dmacmillan wrote:
Interesting. Since I'm a long time film user, I just made a mental note of what film (B&W, color negative or color transparency) was loaded and shot accordingly. I agree that with digital it's much harder to "see" the ultimate rendition of the image.
Maybe with the M10 I could pretend I'm actually shooting with two cameras. I'll raise the "B&W" M10 to my eye when appropriate. Other times, I'll raise the "color" M10 to my eye.
I forgot to mention the resolution "gain" of the 246 over the 240(MP) and most likely the M10 as well since the 246 sensor doesn't have a color filter array and captures luminosity differentials. Even though the 246 is "only" 24 megapickles, I swear it looks like it's even greater than that when pixel peeping. It's that good!
I've spent my budget for the the year and possibly all of next year for photography. I picked up the R2 exactly a week ago today and I'm itching to see how the new 35 cron and 28 elmarit perform on the R2, but I'm itching to shoot with the 10 again. I believe you may know more about the A7 series and which wide angle lenses play nice with the Sony cover glass (with & without Kolari mod), but from what I saw with the 75mm Cron on the R2, I had second thoughts on acquiring the M10 altogether. Each system has its strengths and weaknesses, and for all the diamonds and warts of the digital Leica rangefinders, you'd have to pry them from my cold dead hands. Haha!...Show more →
I agree, the M9 will remain my daily shooter, and it would be not too hard to make the case I should forget the r2.mod and just get a M10. But I need two bodies, both for "insurance" and because it's so much nicer to shoot in many situations with a second prime already mounted and ready. Events I use two or three bodies all the time. So much easier on the cameras and lenses also. I have some very special non-Leica glass I shoot, which of course could go on M10 too, but not as well. I want the special abilities of the r2, video and silent shutter, just because there are times when having them will let me do something for $, I can't with M10. Long run, I don't doubt I will own a M10.
This is my "problem" with the Monochrom concept in general... the cognizable yet tantalizing (for me) subjectivity of the experience. I know for certain that I would absolutely love an MM for exactly this reason - I would be looking for black-and-white comps... switching the M240 or M10 to black and white mode never quite did that for me. But I simply can't justify the cost. For me it feels like a "necessary luxury," which is why I've avoided shooting one for more than a few minutes at a time. Even in so little time I found myself reaching for a credit card....
Maybe I'll buy a second hand version some day.
CVickery wrote:
I realized my statement was ambiguous.
I'd say that the M10 (and the M240 actually) can produce B&W images that are quite close to the MM and MM246. The files are actually be more flexible due to highlight handling and ability to adjust color channels. That being said I find that when I go out with a color camera, I tend to think in color and as such I often don't end up converting the files. When I go out to shoot the Monochrom I'm looking for shots that lend to a B&W image.
Shooting with these cameras has a great deal to do with the subjective experience....they are fun to use, and there is a certain mindset that you get from using them. I suspect that this does make us a bit 'crazy'....Show more →
Arka wrote:
This is my "problem" with the Monochrom concept in general... the cognizable yet tantalizing (for me) subjectivity of the experience. I know for certain that I would absolutely love an MM for exactly this reason - I would be looking for black-and-white comps... switching the M240 or M10 to black and white mode never quite did that for me. But I simply can't justify the cost. For me it feels like a "necessary luxury," which is why I've avoided shooting one for more than a few minutes at a time. Even in so little time I found myself reaching for a credit card....
It really depends on how you visualize things.
In film days, I shot far more B&W than color (and then with color, mostly slide film). Once transitioned to digital, began to realize that I tended to convert >70% of my images to B&W. So when I shifted to Leica, getting a Monochrom seemed the unconventional but logical move.
