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Archive 2014Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
p.16 #1Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
sebboh wrote:
I love this lens. As you mentioned, there are so many things to like about it. Some time ago I did a multi-lens shootout and included was this VM 35/1.7 and the ZM 35/1.4. IMO the VM beat the ZM for across-frame sharpness at infinity. But it was only one copy of each...i saw the same thing comparing the vm 35/1.7, zm 35/1.4, and the lux 35/1.4 FLE, though the differences were all pretty small. i also could never get used to the retro ergonomics and was always fumbling for the focus ring. overall i just like the vm 40/1.2 better than all of them. Sharpness at infinity at f/2 doesn't carry much weight for me.I much prefer the haptics of the Leica 35/1.4 FLE and really like using a focusing tab with a 35mm lens. So, that's a negative for the Voigtlander even though the focus action is smooth. Being picky, the Voigt's aperture ring is not very "clicky" either.
In regards to resolution across the field, I agree that the lenses you mentioned are similar in sharpness at center and corners but the Leica has a mid-field dip the others don't have.
In my opinion, the Leica 35/1.4 FLE wins on haptics, build and compactness for a f/1.4 lens. Color error correction is also great and optical vignetting is lower than the competition (less corner cat-eye, swirling, DOF deepening). However, both Zeiss and Voigtlander have a more uniform performance across the field even when they are compared at the f/5.6 optimal aperture.yeah, my tests on the m9 and 24mp UT didn't show that strong a difference surprisingly in midzone. It was there but pretty tiny (the zm had a bit of one too). the 1/3 clicks really bugged me on the vm and blue/yellow colors always looked a little weird (i have this issue with most voigtlanders). i probably prefer the FLE overall for haptics and look, but the zm has a distinctive look that i would sometimes prefer. just looking at sharpness i think the vm is the winner though and the difference in bokeh are pretty small between it...Show more →
It's a noticeable difference on the M10-R or A7R II UT. (I will find some crops)
All lenses look great on the 18MP M9.
I agree on rendering though, they are not that different except that the Leica FLE has bit more outlining at f/1.4 and lower optical vignetting.
Fred Miranda wrote
sebboh wrote
rscheffler wrote
As a Leica user, I agree with you Fred!I love this lens. As you mentioned, there are so many things to like about it. Some time ago I did a multi-lens shootout and included was this VM 35/1.7 and the ZM 35/1.4. IMO the VM beat the ZM for across-frame sharpness at infinity. But it was only one copy of each...
In regards to resolution across the field, I agree that the lenses you mentioned are similar in sharpness at center and corners but the Leica has a mid-field dip the others don't have.
In my opinion, the Leica 35/1.4 FLE wins on haptics, build and compactness for a f/1.4 lens. Color error correction is also great and optical vignetting is lower than the competition (less corner cat-eye, swirling, DOF deepening). However, both Zeiss and Voigtlander have a more uniform performance across the field even when they are compared at the f/5.6 optimal aperture.
It's a noticeable difference on the M10-R or A7R II UT. (I will find some crops)
All lenses look great on the 18MP M9.
I agree on rendering though, they are not that different except that the Leica FLE has bit more outlining at f/1.4 and lower optical vignetting.
Jan 07, 2022 at 11:07 PM
p.16 #2Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Fred Miranda wrote:
Did you buy the chrome or black? I really wanted the chrome (brass) but it's so much heavier.
Black because I prefer the lens to be a little more discrete than shiny chrome. I have the silver 50 Lux ASPH and it sure feels like a solid hunk of metal and glass. A photographer friend always gets a kick out of holding it because the unexpected weight relative to its size. One such lens is enough for my walk-around kit.
Did you buy the chrome or black? I really wanted the chrome (brass) but it's so much heavier.
Black because I prefer the lens to be a little more discrete than shiny chrome. I have the silver 50 Lux ASPH and it sure feels like a solid hunk of metal and glass. A photographer friend always gets a kick out of holding it because the unexpected weight relative to its size. One such lens is enough for my walk-around kit.
Jan 09, 2022 at 04:29 PM
p.16 #3Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Taken at Milliken Park in March 13, 2021
Used Panasonic S1R
VM 35mm f1.7
Used Panasonic S1R
VM 35mm f1.7
Jan 09, 2022 at 05:09 PM
p.16 #4Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Taken with Panasonic S1R
Cleveland Park in Spartanburg City, SC in March 13, 2021
VM 35mm f1.7
Cleveland Park in Spartanburg City, SC in March 13, 2021
VM 35mm f1.7
Jan 09, 2022 at 05:20 PM
p.16 #5Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I still own this lens and although do not use it much after buying the FLE and pre-asph, I don't have the courage to sell it. IMO, it's one of the best 35mm lenses for the M-mount.
Apr 06, 2022 at 04:54 PM
p.16 #6Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I think it is indeed one of the finest 35mm lens in M system and I still keep it as you do.
It is indeed excellent lens with impressive sharpness for all around purpose.
Used with Panasonic S1R
Voigtlander 35mm F1.7 VM
It is indeed excellent lens with impressive sharpness for all around purpose.
Used with Panasonic S1R
Voigtlander 35mm F1.7 VM
Apr 06, 2022 at 05:23 PM
p.16 #7Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Fred Miranda wrote:
I have to say that even with the recent 35mm M-mount releases, the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.7 Ultron is still my top choice for the Leica M body and it's too bad it was discontinued. If you can find one new or used, I highly recommend it. It's compact, well-built, superb optically and has great rendering.
On the Leica M or Sony Kolari UT, it's capable of high resolution and contrast from f/1.7 across the entire image field. It's just as good, if not better, than our best 35mm M lenses like the Zeiss 35/1.4 ZM and Voigtlander 35/2 APO. It's...Show more →
Hi,Fred,
whenyou say"...other than the SL system which does much better but still not optimal for this lens.",what performance does the lens on SL fail you? sharpness across-frame? corner IQ? field curvature? is it very visible?
I am thinking of buying this lens for my SL2-s and thinking about the image quality that I may get on my camera.
I have to say that even with the recent 35mm M-mount releases, the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.7 Ultron is still my top choice for the Leica M body and it's too bad it was discontinued. If you can find one new or used, I highly recommend it. It's compact, well-built, superb optically and has great rendering.
On the Leica M or Sony Kolari UT, it's capable of high resolution and contrast from f/1.7 across the entire image field. It's just as good, if not better, than our best 35mm M lenses like the Zeiss 35/1.4 ZM and Voigtlander 35/2 APO. It's...Show more →
Hi,Fred,
whenyou say"...other than the SL system which does much better but still not optimal for this lens.",what performance does the lens on SL fail you? sharpness across-frame? corner IQ? field curvature? is it very visible?
I am thinking of buying this lens for my SL2-s and thinking about the image quality that I may get on my camera.
Jun 23, 2022 at 12:22 AM
p.16 #8Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I think this CV 35/1.7 is gem for either M, or L, or Sony FE with PCX 5m.
Jun 23, 2022 at 03:56 AM
p.16 #9Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I have got a brand new one from a local VM dealer and am happy with it after an initial round of testing. Great indeed!
Jul 11, 2022 at 09:50 PM
p.16 #10Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I'm praying for a v2, best case in a new "housing".
Never understood why they discontinued this gem
It's my all time favorite 35mm M-lens!
PS (OT): Same with the great 28mm f3.5 Skopar ...
Never understood why they discontinued this gem
It's my all time favorite 35mm M-lens!
PS (OT): Same with the great 28mm f3.5 Skopar ...
Jul 14, 2022 at 10:39 AM
p.16 #11Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
With Cosina, you never know. Lenses seem to make comebacks, though sometimes it takes a while. Lots of v2 and v3 models in the current lineup.
I also love the VM 1/7. But I think it sits awkwardly amongst all the Voigtlander 35s without a niche of its own.
Compared to the f/2 Ultron, it's too big and marginally faster. The APO is sharper and better corrected (though bokeh is IMO worse). The 1.2 is a stop faster and therefore offers the potential of a lot more background blur. The 1.4 is smaller, cheaper, faster and 'vintage' rendering. The 35/2.5 is even smaller and cheaper.
35mm is a very crowded focal length at Voigtlander, so I guess one had to go.
At 28mm I'd really like to see an f/2.8 or f/3.5 in the style of the compact 40/2.8. Add a collapsible 75/2.8 or 3.5 or 90/4 and it would make an interesting compact trio.
I also love the VM 1/7. But I think it sits awkwardly amongst all the Voigtlander 35s without a niche of its own.
Compared to the f/2 Ultron, it's too big and marginally faster. The APO is sharper and better corrected (though bokeh is IMO worse). The 1.2 is a stop faster and therefore offers the potential of a lot more background blur. The 1.4 is smaller, cheaper, faster and 'vintage' rendering. The 35/2.5 is even smaller and cheaper.
35mm is a very crowded focal length at Voigtlander, so I guess one had to go.
At 28mm I'd really like to see an f/2.8 or f/3.5 in the style of the compact 40/2.8. Add a collapsible 75/2.8 or 3.5 or 90/4 and it would make an interesting compact trio.
Jul 14, 2022 at 08:56 PM
p.16 #12Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
No comment.
Just bought one of these… had to make a post to subscribe to this thread…
Just bought one of these… had to make a post to subscribe to this thread…
Feb 06, 2023 at 04:43 PM
p.16 #13Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
tri_fin wrote:
No comment.
Just bought one of these… had to make a post to subscribe to this thread…
Congrats on the new lens!
It's still one of the best from Cosina.
No comment.
Just bought one of these… had to make a post to subscribe to this thread…
Congrats on the new lens!
It's still one of the best from Cosina.
Feb 07, 2023 at 09:51 AM
p.16 #14Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I really like its out-of-focus rendering. Too bad that there isn't a third-party focus tab that could be stiched on it.
Feb 10, 2023 at 12:18 AM
p.16 #15Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
zeroAska wrote:
I really like its out-of-focus rendering. Too bad that there isn't a third-party focus tab that could be stiched on it.
There two that I know of. The TAAB system with the banded tabs.
The 7Artisans stick on tabs.
Either will work depending on which attachment style you prefer.
Feb 10, 2023 at 12:49 AM
p.16 #16Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I used it on an a7ii w/ VM-E adapter. I liked the rendering generally and especially its rich contrast in BW. Good colors but personally thought that it lacked the punchlines and 3D quality of the (giant) Zeiss ZE/ZF 35mm lenses…either aperture. I eventually moved through a few other options on Sony before landing on the GM, which I really enjoy.
Jim
Hoop-timidation by Jim, on Flickr
Nexxus by Jim, on Flickr
However, in the right light, the Ultron really delivers…
Outside the lines by Jim, on Flickr
Jim
Hoop-timidation by Jim, on FlickrNexxus by Jim, on FlickrHowever, in the right light, the Ultron really delivers…
Outside the lines by Jim, on FlickrFeb 10, 2023 at 10:39 PM
p.16 #17Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
How does this 1.7 compares to new 35mm 1.5?
Is new lens even sharper than 1.7?
Is new lens even sharper than 1.7?
Mar 02, 2023 at 06:34 PM
p.16 #18Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I think new one is similar in sharpness - excellent - but it has more nervous bokeh.
I know it’s what everyone says but the old one is not a nice lens in your hands. I sold mine. I used to read comments like this and think why? Handling doesn’t matter so much. Turns out it does…
I know it’s what everyone says but the old one is not a nice lens in your hands. I sold mine. I used to read comments like this and think why? Handling doesn’t matter so much. Turns out it does…
Mar 03, 2023 at 08:33 AM
p.16 #19Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Grenache wrote:
I used it on an a7ii w/ VM-E adapter. I liked the rendering generally and especially its rich contrast in BW. Good colors but personally thought that it lacked the punchlines and 3D quality of the (giant) Zeiss ZE/ZF 35mm lenses…either aperture. I eventually moved through a few other options on Sony before landing on the GM, which I really enjoy.
Jim
https://live.staticflickr.com/5021/30224113375_fa6d73b906_o.jpgHoop-timidation by Jim, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/8328/29482449852_49923c8240_o.jpgNexxus by Jim, on Flickr
However, in the right light, the Ultron really delivers…
https://live.staticflickr.com/5822/31206094755_2a01d345eb_o.jpgOutside the lines by Jim, on Flickr
Great 2nd photo. I feel similarly on the lack of 3D. They can be had for $400-ish now. What a steal
I used it on an a7ii w/ VM-E adapter. I liked the rendering generally and especially its rich contrast in BW. Good colors but personally thought that it lacked the punchlines and 3D quality of the (giant) Zeiss ZE/ZF 35mm lenses…either aperture. I eventually moved through a few other options on Sony before landing on the GM, which I really enjoy.
Jim
https://live.staticflickr.com/5021/30224113375_fa6d73b906_o.jpgHoop-timidation by Jim, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/8328/29482449852_49923c8240_o.jpgNexxus by Jim, on Flickr
However, in the right light, the Ultron really delivers…
https://live.staticflickr.com/5822/31206094755_2a01d345eb_o.jpgOutside the lines by Jim, on Flickr
Great 2nd photo. I feel similarly on the lack of 3D. They can be had for $400-ish now. What a steal
Mar 05, 2023 at 02:37 PM
p.16 #20Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I continue to hang on to this CV 35mm f1.7 - brass version.
WO is an incredible performer with outstanding sharpness and 3D pop.
A few simple shots around the house after a hard rain today, straight OOC jpegs, all shot at f1.7.
Leica SL2S CV 35mm f1.7
Leica SL2S CV 35mm f1.7
Leica SL2S CV 35mm f1.7
Leica SL2S CV 35mm f1.7
WO is an incredible performer with outstanding sharpness and 3D pop.
A few simple shots around the house after a hard rain today, straight OOC jpegs, all shot at f1.7.
Leica SL2S CV 35mm f1.7
Leica SL2S CV 35mm f1.7
Leica SL2S CV 35mm f1.7
Leica SL2S CV 35mm f1.7
May 07, 2023 at 04:01 PM