p.15 #2 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Another plug for Robert White. I just had my first transaction with them--got a Loxia 50 and 21. Both arrived quickly via UPS. I did have to pay about $50 in duty, but shipping was reasonable and prompt and the lenses are great (both are really sharp copies from what I can tell so far).
p.15 #4 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Wanny wrote:
Im about to pull the trigger on this lens. Is there any disadvantages having this on the a7r? Color or sharpness wise?
I regularly use this lens on my A7r (I also have the A7rii but often have the wider lenses on the A7r and Batis 85 on the A7rii for the IBIS). People talk about FC but to be honest I have never noticed it in any shot I've kept and printed and that combination has won me a couple of competitions and a few seconds so it seems others never notice either
It's a beautifully made lens and matches the A7r perfectly. Extremely sharp, no issues with colour anywhere in the frame.
I wouldn't hesitate for a moment. I have the M version and both the Voigtlander VM-E Close-Focus adapter and the TechArt. Both work fine but as I rarely need AF with this lens then I prefer the CV adapter.
p.15 #6 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Great images. Talk about 'going out of business/moving' 'everything must go sale' in the last one, if indeed there is someone holding out to the bitter end in that ground floor shop. There's got to be a story there...
Hanay, I think you have a few options, but perhaps not so easy: machine an adapter so it's shorter; get one of the Hawks or Voigtlander helicoid adapters and one of those has an infinity adjust that might give you enough leeway (you'll have to research this a bit more as I don't remember which adapter and whether anyone actually had any luck with this); remove the lens mount and check if there are any shims under it you can remove.
p.15 #7 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I have though of the machining already. The point is what surface should it be machined? the one in contact with the objective?... I ask in the forum and peopple told me that with hawks is not possible. With techart yes, but very close to limit, so that but probably not always possible due to small copy differences... It looks like no sims in ultron
p.15 #8 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
hanay78 wrote:
hello,
are you using plano convex filter? with what adapter. the cheapos I bough all too long, it is impossible to focus at infty
Hi Hanay you didn't quote me so I have no idea if you are referring to me (and of course I didn't receive any notification) However no - I am not using any PCX filter.
p.15 #9 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
rscheffler wrote:
Great images. Talk about 'going out of business/moving' 'everything must go sale' in the last one, if indeed there is someone holding out to the bitter end in that ground floor shop. There's got to be a story there...
Haha - yes I have other shots of their daughter playing outside etc. I followed the demolition of this block for months and spoke to the restaurant owner (it was a row of tiny restaurants before and they seemed to do good business even during the demolition period) who had no idea where he was going to go after there. The land has now stood vacant for close on 8-10 months I guess.
p.15 #10 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I have to say that even with the recent 35mm M-mount releases, the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.7 Ultron is still my top choice for the Leica M body and it's too bad it was discontinued. If you can find one new or used, I highly recommend it. It's compact, well-built, superb optically and has great rendering.
On the Leica M or Sony Kolari UT, it's capable of high resolution and contrast from f/1.7 across the entire image field. It's just as good, if not better, than our best 35mm M lenses like the Zeiss 35/1.4 ZM and Voigtlander 35/2 APO. It's also flat field, except when using it on a stock Sony or any other mirrorless other than the SL system which does much better but still not optimal for this lens.
The newer Voigtlander 35/2 APO only beats it at the extreme corner at wide apertures. Starting at f/4, I would not hesitate using the Ultron for serious landscapes. Regarding CA, there may be fringing in high contrast transitions but it's nothing to worry about and averagel for a non-APO lens.
Focus transition zone is smooth making rendering pleasant. I don't take this for granted for 35mm lenses and it's a strength compared to lenses like the Voigtlander 35/2 APO, Voigtlander 35/2 Ultron, Leica 35/1.4 FLE and even Zeiss 35/1.4 ZM.
Flare resistance is the best I've seen in a 35mm lens and if you like defined sunstars, there is nothing better out there. There is prominent optical vignetting which unfortunately translates to DOF deepening towards the edges as well as cat-eye shape specular highlights but very few lenses do any better. If that bothers you, the Leica 35/1.4 FLE does better in this regard.
The Voigtlander 35/1.7 Ultron combines many strengths in one lens offering superb image quality, pleasant rendering and compactness at a fair price.
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p.15 #11 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Fred Miranda wrote:
I have to say that even with the recent 35mm M-mount releases, the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.7 Ultron is still my top choice for the Leica M body and it's too bad it was discontinued. If you can find one new or used, I highly recommend it. It's compact, well-built, superb optically and has great rendering.
On the Leica M or Sony Kolari UT, it's capable of high resolution and contrast from f/1.7 across the entire image field. It's just as good, if not better, than our best 35mm M lenses like the Zeiss 35/1.4 ZM and Voigtlander 35/2 APO. It's also flat field, except when using it on a stock Sony or any other mirrorless other than the SL system which does much better but still not optimal for this lens.
The newer Voigtlander 35/2 APO only beats it at the extreme corner at wide apertures. Starting at f/4, I would not hesitate using the Ultron for serious landscapes. Regarding CA, there may be fringing in high contrast transitions but it's nothing to worry about and averagel for a non-APO lens.
Focus transition zone is smooth making rendering pleasant. I don't take this for granted for 35mm lenses and it's a strength compared to lenses like the Voigtlander 35/2 APO, Voigtlander 35/2 Ultron, Leica 35/1.4 FLE and even Zeiss 35/1.4 ZM.
Flare resistance is the best I've seen in a 35mm lens and if you like defined sunstars, there is nothing better out there. There is prominent optical vignetting which unfortunately translates to DOF deepening towards the edges as well as cat-eye shape specular highlights but very few lenses do any better. If that bothers you, the Leica 35/1.4 FLE does better in this regard.
The Voigtlander 35/1.7 Ultron combines many strengths in one lens offering superb image quality, pleasant rendering and compactness at a fair price....Show more →
Yes, all that and it is a reasonably small size that doesn't block the frame lines very much. I am very happy with mine and feel quite lucky to get one of the last ones that Cameraquest sold.
p.15 #12 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
As a Leica user, I agree with you Fred!
I love this lens. As you mentioned, there are so many things to like about it. Some time ago I did a multi-lens shootout and included was this VM 35/1.7 and the ZM 35/1.4. IMO the VM beat the ZM for across-frame sharpness at infinity. But it was only one copy of each...
My primary disappointment with it was Cosina's physical design choices for their 'vintage' line of lenses during that time (also the 50/1.5).
The thing about Cosina though is you never know what they will do down the road, so there's always a possibility of a re-release. And if they were to do so with the current vintage line design language, I would be much happier. But as you mentioned, it maybe sits too close to the 35 APO in terms of optical performance, speed and even size (length). And other changes would then pit it agains the 35/2 and 35/1.2... so realistically, maybe it's the end. Or like the LTM version, will be in hiatus for a decade or so before reappearing.
If it were to be rereleased, I would want a focusing tab and, as included on the new (non-vintage line) 90/2.8 and the old 'classic' 35/1.4 and 40/1.4 lenses, the red hemispherical bump for aligning with the lens mount during lens changes. So many times I wasted time twirling the lens around to find the tiny red dot. Had the lens had a rectangular hood, or some other physical indications of its orientation, it wouldn't have been so bad. But in low light and the design being what it is (it feels the same all 360 degrees around its circumference), it required relatively closer attention to mount than other lenses in my inventory.
p.15 #13 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
My introduction to Voigtländer was with the 35mm Ultron LTM on a Bessa R. I suspect the original (LTM) has a single coating. It made the transition to digital quite well...
p.15 #15 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
rscheffler wrote:
As a Leica user, I agree with you Fred!
I love this lens. As you mentioned, there are so many things to like about it. Some time ago I did a multi-lens shootout and included was this VM 35/1.7 and the ZM 35/1.4. IMO the VM beat the ZM for across-frame sharpness at infinity. But it was only one copy of each...
i saw the same thing comparing the vm 35/1.7, zm 35/1.4, and the lux 35/1.4 FLE, though the differences were all pretty small. i also could never get used to the retro ergonomics and was always fumbling for the focus ring. overall i just like the vm 40/1.2 better than all of them. Sharpness at infinity at f/2 doesn't carry much weight for me.
p.15 #16 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
sebboh wrote:
i saw the same thing comparing the vm 35/1.7, zm 35/1.4, and the lux 35/1.4 FLE, though the differences were all pretty small. i also could never get used to the retro ergonomics and was always fumbling for the focus ring. overall i just like the vm 40/1.2 better than all of them. Sharpness at infinity at f/2 doesn't carry much weight for me.
I much prefer the haptics of the Leica 35/1.4 FLE and really like using a focusing tab with a 35mm lens. So, that's a negative for the Voigtlander even though the focus action is smooth. Being picky, the Voigt's aperture ring is not very "clicky" either.
In regards to resolution across the field, I agree that the lenses you mentioned are similar in sharpness at center and corners but the Leica has a mid-field dip the others don't have.
In my opinion, the Leica 35/1.4 FLE wins on haptics, build and compactness for a f/1.4 lens. Color error correction is also great and optical vignetting is lower than the competition (less corner cat-eye, swirling, DOF deepening). However, both Zeiss and Voigtlander have a more uniform performance across the field even when they are compared at the f/5.6 optimal aperture.
p.15 #17 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
rscheffler wrote:
As a Leica user, I agree with you Fred!
I love this lens. As you mentioned, there are so many things to like about it. Some time ago I did a multi-lens shootout and included was this VM 35/1.7 and the ZM 35/1.4. IMO the VM beat the ZM for across-frame sharpness at infinity. But it was only one copy of each...
My primary disappointment with it was Cosina's physical design choices for their 'vintage' line of lenses during that time (also the 50/1.5).
The thing about Cosina though is you never know what they will do down the road, so there's always a possibility of a re-release. And if they were to do so with the current vintage line design language, I would be much happier. But as you mentioned, it maybe sits too close to the 35 APO in terms of optical performance, speed and even size (length). And other changes would then pit it agains the 35/2 and 35/1.2... so realistically, maybe it's the end. Or like the LTM version, will be in hiatus for a decade or so before reappearing.
If it were to be rereleased, I would want a focusing tab and, as included on the new (non-vintage line) 90/2.8 and the old 'classic' 35/1.4 and 40/1.4 lenses, the red hemispherical bump for aligning with the lens mount during lens changes. So many times I wasted time twirling the lens around to find the tiny red dot. Had the lens had a rectangular hood, or some other physical indications of its orientation, it wouldn't have been so bad. But in low light and the design being what it is (it feels the same all 360 degrees around its circumference), it required relatively closer attention to mount than other lenses in my inventory....Show more →
Did you buy the chrome or black? I really wanted the chrome (brass) but it's so much heavier.
p.15 #18 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
VM 35/1.7 is quite impressive lens that shows combined character of Zeiss and Leica.
Very sharp and light, and neutralized color rendition. It is hidden gem.
Taken with Panasonic S1R.
p.15 #19 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
I have had it for a while in a Sony A7RII. Somehow the colors and contrast of the Loxia appeared to me more appealing, specially in poor light after sunset, and I trade it. Now I miss it, because of its weight. VM was also impressive against the sun. The vigneting appeared to me also higher than the lox. Also the cat eyes were more evident. How good is the ZM biogon in the leica, I do not know, but I am curious.
Never have had a Leica camera and I understand the performance of the VM in that platform should be much better.
p.15 #20 · Official: Voigtlander 35 F1.7 Ultron M mount
Fred Miranda wrote:
I much prefer the haptics of the Leica 35/1.4 FLE and really like using a focusing tab with a 35mm lens. So, that's a negative for the Voigtlander even though the focus action is smooth. Being picky, the Voigt's aperture ring is not very "clicky" either.
In regards to resolution across the field, I agree that the lenses you mentioned are similar in sharpness at center and corners but the Leica has a mid-field dip the others don't have.
In my opinion, the Leica 35/1.4 FLE wins on haptics, build and compactness for a f/1.4 lens. Color error correction is also great and optical vignetting is lower than the competition (less corner cat-eye, swirling, DOF deepening). However, both Zeiss and Voigtlander have a more uniform performance across the field even when they are compared at the f/5.6 optimal aperture....Show more →
yeah, my tests on the m9 and 24mp UT didn't show that strong a difference surprisingly in midzone. It was there but pretty tiny (the zm had a bit of one too). the 1/3 clicks really bugged me on the vm and blue/yellow colors always looked a little weird (i have this issue with most voigtlanders). i probably prefer the FLE overall for haptics and look, but the zm has a distinctive look that i would sometimes prefer. just looking at sharpness i think the vm is the winner though and the difference in bokeh are pretty small between it and the FLE.
There's got to be a story there...
However no - I am not using any PCX filter.
