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Archive 2013 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

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p.45 #1 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

artsupreme wrote:
Probably because Canon hasn't done anything exciting since the 5D2 and 7D. All newer bodies are just a rebadge with more bells/whistles. Same old sensor with a different name tag.

I am really considering dumping my 5D3 and 1DS3 and just getting an A7 and an A7R. I never shoot sports I just do commercial (products, portraits, advertising and some fashion), architecture and landscape. I use center AF point only. The 5D3 is a great camera body, no complaint except I need more dynamic range, it would save me a LOT of time in post processing. And more resolution is always nice to have.

The small size and weight of the sony means that I can travel lighter while still having the best dslr image quality available. That is a huge asset.

I would keep the Canon lenses, at least for a while, and start building a FE-mount collection and dumping the Canon glass except the ones that Sony does not have any to substitute them with.

Nov 12, 2013 at 02:13 PM

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p.45 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

PhilDrinkwater wrote:
How telling that the longest thread recently is about a non Canon camera...

artsupreme wrote:
Probably because Canon hasn't done anything exciting since the 5D2 and 7D. All newer bodies are just a rebadge with more bells/whistles. Same old sensor with a different name tag.

ggreene wrote:
Same old sensor to you but I like getting better high ISO. 1DX allows me to go to 10000 and 12800 ISO pretty comfortably.

As we know, not all shooters looking for the same shooting requirement as yours or mine and that is the problem canon facing right now. Consumer now see what is and where is better IQ & performance value for his/her wallet regardless what we telling them on this board. So why bother, we only see more conflicts when those sensor subjects brought up by someone which does not help us much here in the past. Imo, it's canon issues not ours

Nov 12, 2013 at 03:37 PM

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p.45 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

Where the heckety heck are the EF lens tests?

What's taking people so long?

Nov 12, 2013 at 09:23 PM

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p.45 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

artsupreme wrote:
Probably because Canon hasn't done anything exciting since the 5D2 and 7D. All newer bodies are just a rebadge with more bells/whistles. Same old sensor with a different name tag.

That is a sweeping statement. Canon definitely still has some exciting stuff to offer, including dual pixel on-sensor AF.

The problem they have is: poor low ISO dynamic range and low pixel count on sensor.

I was looking at the most recent Amazon USA (this past week) and BCNRanking charts (Nov-2013) and was surprised to find the loss in popularity of Canon DSLRs. They used to dominate the charts. I think the masses have spoken with their wallets and this is the ONLY way to convince Canon they need to switch to 180 nm processes for their sensors. While the update in silicon processing equipment has a definite impact on cost, they really have no choice. Keep up or lose out.

Nov 12, 2013 at 09:52 PM

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p.45 #5 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

^ For us still photographers, dual pixel AF is as exciting as a can of tuna.

Nov 12, 2013 at 09:56 PM

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p.45 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

Rickuz wrote:
^ For us still photographers, dual pixel AF is as exciting as a can of tuna.

mmm, tuna http://p11997.ipscdn.com/public/style_emoticons/default/dancing%20homer.gif

Nov 12, 2013 at 10:08 PM

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p.45 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

Rickuz wrote:
^ For us still photographers, dual pixel AF is as exciting as a can of tuna.

Really? The last time I heard there was a whole lot of complaints about the ridiculously slow AF on the EOS M. Not to mention the never-ending complaints about inaccurate single shot AF on DSLRs, AF calibration etc etc

Nov 12, 2013 at 10:15 PM

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p.45 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

Rickuz wrote:
Where the heckety heck are the EF lens tests?

What's taking people so long?

There are some but not toooooooooooooo hot

http://www.flickr.com/photos/leonard_lin/10792843475/in/photolist-hrJaUd-hrJ9mc-hrKnTZ-hrKkT6-hrJ5AB-hrKokv-hrGGgs-hrJ5pe-hrKt7V-hrHCBS-hrH8Nb/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27221292@N06/10793101733/in/set-72157637541118966/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27221292@N06/10792830195/in/set-72157637541685924/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leonard_lin/sets/72157637540814395/with/10793084823/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leonard_lin/10792843945/in/set-72157637541968143/

Nov 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM

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p.45 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

mttran wrote:
There are some but not toooooooooooooo hot

Could have been taken with a high end compact, any APS-C or any FF camera.

Nov 13, 2013 at 12:56 AM

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p.45 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

thw2 wrote:
Could have been taken with a high end compact, any APS-C or any FF camera.

I hear you, my kids can do better than that with their iphone

Edited on Nov 13, 2013 at 01:08 AM · View previous versions

Nov 13, 2013 at 01:06 AM

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p.45 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

thw2 wrote:
Could have been taken with a high end compact, any APS-C or any FF camera.

Why aren't you getting caught up in the hoopla and excitement?

This new Sony will obliterate every other camera made.

Just read all the posts of praise and you'll be hooked.

Nov 13, 2013 at 01:08 AM

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p.45 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

Rickuz wrote:
^ For me, dual pixel AF is as exciting as a can of tuna.

Fixed it for you.

Nov 13, 2013 at 01:16 AM

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p.45 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

thw2 wrote:
Could have been taken with a high end compact, any APS-C or any FF camera.

Really, any of those can shoot Canon glass?

Nov 13, 2013 at 01:25 AM

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p.45 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

Images are far too small to tell us anything.

Nov 13, 2013 at 01:31 AM

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p.45 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

The 'snapped' image has replaced the 'created' image for much of the consumer base. Many; and it's growing, are fine and happy with a 'Facebook' 'instamatic' type image. All the nuances of image are being replaced by the unlimited DOF, quick snap. Few print anymore, at least not large, most look at an LCD, some pretty damn small, and they don't give a flock about image quality, it's just about capturing a moment, moving on to lunch at fastfood junk feed and another snap of family quick fun.

Other than the few that inhabit FM and a few other sites like LuLa, even take their precious, shinny, DSLR toys out for a drive in manual, let alone know what manual mode is, really understand the potential loss to this 'ART'.

Dare I even mention, the rants here on FM that can't bare the thought that an AF system isn't on-par with their perfectly working eyesight...manual focus, WTF, I shouldn't have to...geez, modern times...I'll never be happy, oh well.

Sorry guys n Gals we're not at the top of the food chain anymore, those great magazine cover photos, gallery sized prints are not the norm, thus those 'extra' dollars spent for 'research' into to best tech get smaller. And unless there's some huge breakthrough; far past what the Sony/Exmor design is producing, I don't see a ton of dollars getting spent on design for a 'few' and ever diminishing few who care, know why they should.

Snappers are alive and well, their numbers are growing, so 'big' business rolls on with their volume of purchase bottom line; happy wide smiles...smartphone, yes cheeper, DSLR expensive, why do I need one, it's just a picture.

A picture, it's worth a thousand words, is it really anymore...to the masses

The A7 and A7r look really sweet IQ, DR and size wise, even the styling isn't so bad...it will be interesting so see just how good their imaging is, how far a few can push their limits

Sorry photographers, we be Dinos...just not extinct yet, and we have a few buckarroos to still throw about...for the love of another, slowly dying art.

Forty five pages so far, and a good read at that

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Nov 13, 2013 at 01:37 AM

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p.45 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

Rickuz wrote:
^ For us still photographers, dual pixel AF is as exciting as a can of tuna.

Ridiculous. Don't presume to speak for all photographers.

Dual Pixel AF has the potential to tear down the walls that separate SLRs from "mirrorless" cameras. The ability to conduct phase detect AF at the actual focal plane? And to do that over the entire image area, without constricting the photographer to localized AF points? Those things have the potential to advance photography in ways far more tangible than all the extraneous digital bits of dynamic range pixel peepers and DxO graph junkies have been salivating about.

Nov 13, 2013 at 01:59 AM

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p.45 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

StillFingerz wrote:
The 'snapped' image has replace the 'created' image for much of the consumer base. Many; and it's growing, are fine and happy with a 'Facebook' 'instamatic' type image.

That's mostly true. However, lately I have been heartened to see some of my students, and friends of other students, adopt DSLR's as their main cameras. Not content with their iPhones, they gain pleasure from taking better images and being able to be The Photographer on any given outing. And the results are great - you can see how much their friends appreciate a clear images of themselves.

Nov 13, 2013 at 02:03 AM

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p.45 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

Paul Mo wrote:
That's mostly true. However, lately I have been heartened to see some of my students, and friends of other students, adopt DSLR's as their main cameras. Not content with their iPhones, they gain pleasure from taking better images and being able to be The Photographer on any given outing. And the results are great - you can see how much their friends appreciate a clear images of themselves.

Paul, that is good to hear, then there's hope for 'photography', as long as we have good teachers to promote this art

Nov 13, 2013 at 02:06 AM

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p.45 #19 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

stargazer78 wrote:
Ridiculous. Don't presume to speak for all photographers.

Dual Pixel AF has the potential to tear down the walls that separate SLRs from "mirrorless" cameras. The ability to conduct phase detect AF at the actual focal plane? And to do that over the entire image area, without constricting the photographer to localized AF points? Those things have the potential to advance photography in ways far more tangible than all the extraneous digital bits of dynamic range pixel peepers and DxO graph junkies have been salivating about.

Dual Pixel is certainly cool to have on a DSLR. It basically means that if you want to use you DSLR as a Mirrorless camera you can without having the AF limitations. Of course any time you use a DSLR in video mode you are obliged to use it as such.

It also means that Canon can now produce a mirrorless camera with really good AF.

Nov 13, 2013 at 02:29 AM

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p.45 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses

EF lens especially L on a smaller sized A7 would be horrendous when it comes to ergonomics and balancing.
This will lead to fatigue. That's never good for image taking.
Dynamic range is nothing if your images are crap.

Nov 13, 2013 at 02:44 AM

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