Chris Beaumont wrote:
I'm sure I remember seeing a thread showing that 5DII sRAW binned dynamic range during the downsizing, that's absolutely, categorically not an option for many shooters.
i really wish the 5d3 would have 60fps like the 7D.... thats the only thing i dislike about the current 5d2 is it sucks to do slow motion like Twixtor.....it comes out all blurry... the 7d twixtor is super sharp and crisp because the 60fps
mco_970 wrote:
I think there would easily still be a market for the ~$2000 well-spec'd crop body. There are so many people with EF-S lenses that are not going to want to go FF ($$$) and change their entire lens kit over ($$$$).
If I was a committed EF-S user, I'd be P.O.'d if 7D was turned into a FF rig. They have to have a good crop body answer. Heck, if the 7D2 ends up being awesome, I'd consider upgrading my 1D2n.
Just the thought of that makes me think - nah! ain't gonna happen - 1D2n I love you ...Show more →
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in the desire for a high end cropper.
I seriously doubt that Canon will not continue with something like a 7D EF-S body. They are very popular and capable at the price point. There is room for two different new FF bodies plus the 1D-X since the 1Ds III is gone.
Lot's of news photographers both staff and freelance buy their own cameras. A better built, more capable 5D mk3 would serve them well. A few lucky ones have their equipment bought for them or do well enough to afford to run with the 1DX. The 5Dx would likely be for the landscape/travel/advanced amateur set.
I imagine the 5D mk3 wouldn't be able to keep up 7fps as long as the 1DX would. Which would be critical for sports photographers.
EB-1 wrote:
I seriously doubt that Canon will not continue with something like a 7D EF-S body. They are very popular and capable at the price point. There is room for two different new FF bodies plus the 1D-X since the 1Ds III is gone.
EBH
I think that 'new' EF-S body needs to be the 70D, returning it to a relatively robust prosumer body. Dumbing down the 60D (losing Micro AF, etc.) was rather a lame move on Canon's part. I just don't think that there are that many true professionals that *require* an EF-S body, but there are many who need the build and feature set of the 7D, whether it's APS-H or full frame.
Call it what you want, but if the 5Dx is a 7D body with full frame (i.e. moderate MP, high ISO, relatively high frame rate), it is effectively the 7D MkII. I still say making the 7D an APS-C body was the curious move on Canon's part, being that xD cameras had, until that time, been either APS-H or full frame.
"I'm glad to see I'm not alone in the desire for a high end cropper"
No Sir, you are certainly not alone. 7D2 will be a 1.6x crop body. The xxD series just hasn't got the build and AF features that the 7D has now made routine for EFS. Don't get me wrong, I am sure that Canon could take a 7D type body and whack a bigger sensor and viewfinder in it for full frame use (in fact I hope they do!), but the actual 7D2 will stay crop.
Ideally the 7D II would use the APS-H sensor, but that won't happen due to ef-s lens. I hope they continue to develop the 7D line and look to further improve AF, IQ, give it dual cards, swivel LCD, interchangeable screens, maybe push 10fps since it'll have either dual digic V or digic V + digic IV.
Don Clary wrote:
I think most people here agree, and Nikon agrees, but Canon doesn't. Why develop a hyper expensive 200-400 that will sell in microscopic quantities, when they could just add IS to the 400 f5.6, or produce a refractive (non-DO) 400 f4.5 (like the old FD 400 f4.5) that would sell for a profitable $2500? It would outsell the 200-400 by 100:1.
Why would Canon fall down on the floor, kicking and screaming, not agreeing to add IS to the 400 f5.6, and then put it on a 24 and 28mm prime, which no one asked for? I think it is clear that Canon has ideological blinders, rising above common sense and the desire to maximize profit....Show more →
I don't see much market for a 400/5.6 IS. An update to a zoom like the 100-400 covers the same FL/aperture and would be much more popular. Likewise, I don't see anyone clamoring for a fixed 200/2.8 IS since the 70-200/2.8 IS II is good enough.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Ideally the 7D II would use the APS-H sensor, but that won't happen due to ef-s lens. I hope they continue to develop the 7D line and look to further improve AF, IQ, give it dual cards, swivel LCD, interchangeable screens, maybe push 10fps since it'll have either dual digic V or digic V + digic IV.
Well, it can happen if they make it compatible with EF-S lenses !
It might be possible with some "mirror magic" though ??
EB-1 wrote:
I don't see much market for a 400/5.6 IS. An update to a zoom like the 100-400 covers the same FL/aperture and would be much more popular. Likewise, I don't see anyone clamoring for a fixed 200/2.8 IS since the 70-200/2.8 IS II is good enough.
EBH
Yeah but if the new 100-400 is $3000+ the 400 f/5.6 IS actually might have a big market if it is say $1800.
CR's latest is that the 7D line may be dead, with the xxD series moving back toward prosumer. 5D MkIII at 22MP with 7D's features, pro AF. That might make me happy...
Canon: 'If Canon thinks the market wants the high resolution models such as the 30+ MP of Nikon's D800, they can easily develop such products.'
CR: The bolded part of the above quote basically translates to, 'we have one, give us a bit to tear a D800 apart and make sure ours is better'.
Hopefully that doesn't translate to: 'Crap, the D800 resolution caught us by surprise, if Canonites start pining I guess we can develop one...'
Jeff wrote:
CR's latest is that the 7D line may be dead, with the xxD series moving back toward prosumer. 5D MkIII at 22MP with 7D's features, pro AF. That might make me happy...'
I have no comment on the veracity of the rumor, but I wrote a few years back that I believe that the high end cropped sensor bodies in Canon's line (currently the 7D) would eventually migrate to full frame, and at a price point very similar to that of the existing cropped sensor versions. While there are a few people who won't be pleased (e.g. - some BIF photographers and similar), in most other regards this could be a great decision for Canon.
In the longer term, I sort of suspect that we might perhaps eventually (a ways off!) see all Canon DSLRs move to full frame, with the smaller formats largely or completely reserved for other types of cameras, such as the new G1X and related subsequent cameras.
OMG, this is the exact camera I would buy, see you later 7D. 5DmkII paired with this thing is my dream. Otherwise, I may head to the dark side but I hope I'm not forced to switch.
put it on a 24 and 28mm prime, which no one asked for? I think it is clear that Canon has ideological blinders, rising above common sense and the desire to maximize profit.
Yes, and to add another example, why put IS on those primes and not on the 24-70mm f/2.8 Mark II? Makes no sense to me, and suggests some very strange decision-making at the upper reaches of Canon management.
I don't see much market for a 400/5.6 IS.
You must be kidding. Wildlife -- especially bird -- photographers have been salivating over the possibility of a replacement 400 f/5.6 with IS for years. It would sell like hotcakes (I would ditch my non-IS 400 f/5.6 for an IS version in a heartbeat).
David Baldwin wrote:
"I'm glad to see I'm not alone in the desire for a high end cropper"
No Sir, you are certainly not alone. 7D2 will be a 1.6x crop body. The xxD series just hasn't got the build and AF features that the 7D has now made routine for EFS. Don't get me wrong, I am sure that Canon could take a 7D type body and whack a bigger sensor and viewfinder in it for full frame use (in fact I hope they do!), but the actual 7D2 will stay crop.
I'm with you guys...if it goes full frame I at least hope they allow it to AF up to f/8...when I need the reach is typically when I'm outside and f/8 is fine anyways.
Whatever comes ... I am sure Canon will not let pass that date - March 2012 - the 25th year anniversary of one of (if not THE) most successfull camera system on this planet without letting having us a party and establishing the newest and most faszinating (or one of) highlights of theire EOS range. The 1D X is kind of. But it is targeted to professional use. It will be succesful in this range. But the profit is generated with bigger sales numbers. What means an all in and for one new prosumer body.
BluesWest wrote:
Yes, and to add another example, why put IS on those primes and not on the 24-70mm f/2.8 Mark II? Makes no sense to me, and suggests some very strange decision-making at the upper reaches of Canon management.
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