ViscaB wrote:
I follow quite a few professional (landscape) photographers. A lot of them use the 5D mark II. Some of them bough the pro 1dsMark III when it came out. Once the 5D mark II was out I have seen none that went with the pro model.
I have no clue about photojournalists and sports-photographers. Would you know the share of each in the sales of the "pro models"?
Yes of course there are pros who use the 5DII for landscape, it's a great camera for that purpose. But the 1DX market is a completely different market. If anything, some of the 1DX market might purchase a 5DX for a lightweight backup ( if it had similar performance/AF/etc) just like many D3 owners did with the D700. They would sell a boat load and you wouldn't hear anyone "whining" about a AF system that belongs in a $1000 camera.
Jeff wrote:
We're kind of forgetting, though, that Canon now has a 'low-end' video market to cater to, in addition to the new high-end C-Series recently announced. Makes sense, then, that the 5Dx would be the low-MP (22), high-ISO camera for video, while the 5D MkIII goes to high-MP, low-ISO uses.
I shoot lots of stills, but primarily shoot video, I'm really hoping Canon builds this cam - even if it uses the 1dx sensor (which would make sense from a cost development standpoint - stretching the new sensor across multiple cameras ... see Sony), but adds a headphone jack and a clean HDMI out along with higher bitrates, better LCD, focus peaking, eliminates rolling shutter and moire, more frame rate options, etc.
The 5d2 is still a remarkable camera, its remains the best still/video camera, but the D800 has raised the bar for hybrid DSLR shooters and Canon looks like its about to get left behind. I was already looking at selling my ZE's for ZF1's to get the manual aperture. If Canon doesn't do something by the end of summer, I'll seriously consider the D800 as well.
I know lots of still shooters could care less about anything video - but the reality is video is now a vital feature of any camera and video shooters have opened up a huge market that didn't exist a few years ago. There's nothing really groundbreaking until 4k video becomes readily available, but Canon still has to raise the bar. Nikon has ticked all the boxes for what I want in the 5D3 (outside of the gaudy MP count), if Canon can't top it...
come on guys, don't get too excited. It's a CR1, and is very obviously manufactured conjecture.
IMHO canon will do the same thing nikon did - a pro sports/pj body and a high MP prosumer body - with a sports prosumer body below that. The only difference will be that nikon puts their top-of-the-line AF in those bodies, whereas canon gives you something less.
artsupreme wrote:
Exactly, the PROs (or top dogs) who are using them in the elements on a daily basis who need the ruggedness and fps are going to buy them no matter what it costs, they could give a shit about a 5D...and yes there are plenty who buy them for trophies too. I see them all the time, they ask me for help with settings.....
I think there are all sorts of pro photographers with all sorts of needs and budgets.
If you're going to use the car analogy then it makes sense to talk about pro car users - in other words, race car drivers, delivery drivers, bus drivers, taxi drivers, etc. Obviously a wide range of capabilities, uses and budgets. The main difference being that they are provided there cars and most pro photogs buy theirs.
Not every photographer that makes a living with their equipment can afford the latest 1D series cam.
I think there are all sorts of pro photographers with all sorts of needs and budgets.
If you're going to use the car analogy then it makes sense to talk about pro car users - in other words, race car drivers, delivery drivers, bus drivers, taxi drivers, etc. Obviously a wide range of capabilities, uses and budgets. The main difference being that they are provided there cars and most pro photogs buy theirs. Not every photographer that makes a living with their equipment can afford the latest 1D series cam
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Agreed! Just another reason to either offer a 3D line, or not cripple the 5D AF.
ViscaB wrote:
Sounds interesting. However if the 22mp 7FPS camera would be too good it would kill the 1DX sales...
I don't see it, they could make the 1Dx mk 2 basically a cyborg replica of Christina Hendricks that also brings you breakfast in bed and I'd still not be able to justify the cost of it, what they do in the 1-series line is basically irrelevant to most people, we were never going to buy one anyway.
RobertLynn wrote:
The only way I won't end up with a 1 series or my next bodies, are of te 5/7d updates aren't 8fps/2slots/good to great buffer/improved high iso.
On tht topic, why in the hell won't my stupid phone learn iso is something I type a lot!
I have a feeling you'll end up with a 1 series...but I REALLY hope I am wrong. Where's that 3D we've been wanting for years?
RobertLynn wrote:
God dammit why can't it have 8fps. I'd rather have 10, but 8 I can live with.
It would one of the hottest selling pro cams of all time, but I'm not sure they would want to put pro AF and high FPS in a 5series cam. Why would anyone buy the new 1Dx? They could do it, but it would make the 1Dx seem unnecessary.
A 5D3 and 5DX split doesn't make sense. What are they going to name the next generation of 5D cameras? 5D4 and 5DY? 5DX2? Maybe they will just start pulling random letters out of the alphabet like they did with the original 1 series (N, V, RS, HS, etc)?
surf monkey wrote:
It would one of the hottest selling pro cams of all time, but I'm not sure they would want to put pro AF and high FPS in a 5series cam. Why would anyone buy the new 1Dx? They could do it, but it would make the 1Dx seem unnecessary.
That's so wrong, the D700 didn't make the D3 unnecessary and neither would a 5DX make a 1DX unnecessary. They are two completely different markets!
If anything they would sell a ton (like you said) to the people who can't afford 1DX (like you said) or don't want to afford the 1DX. Would that be such a problem for canon to have the hottest selling cam of all time? The 1DX market is one if it's own - it's either pros who need it, or people with money who buy it because its the flagship and they want the best.
artsupreme wrote:
That's so wrong, the D700 didn't make the D3 unnecessary and neither would a 5DX make a 1DX unnecessary. They are two completely different markets!
If anything they would sell a ton (like you said) to the people who can't afford 1DX (like you said) or don't want to afford the 1DX. Would that be such a problem for canon to have the hottest selling cam of all time? The 1DX market is one if it's own - it's either pros who need it, or people with money who buy it because its the flagship and they want the best.
I was implying that the 5D series with high MP, pro AF and high FPS would be better than the 1Dx. Why would anyone want to spend twice as much?
And maybe I'm mistaken, but didn't the D700 cannibalize the sales of the D3, even with less FPS than the D3.
surf monkey wrote:
Why would anyone want to spend twice as much?
And maybe I'm mistaken, but didn't the D700 cannibalize the sales of the D3, even with less FPS than the D3.
There are many reasons but I give up. And no, the D3 sold just fine with many D3 owners buying a D700 for a backup.
It is imperative to split the 5D line looking at varied market demand. A recent opinion poll on FM shows that 57% buyers are interested in less than 30 MP. However, Canon is not going to announce less MP than D800 for 5D line if not divided. I don’t need more than 18 MP for any reason and can accept anything of mid 20s, but certainly not beyond that.
surf monkey wrote:
I was implying that the 5D series with high MP, pro AF and high FPS would be better than the 1Dx. Why would anyone want to spend twice as much?
And maybe I'm mistaken, but didn't the D700 cannibalize the sales of the D3, even with less FPS than the D3.
Well 8fps is not 12fps or 14fps, 1D X has far better build, sealing, shorter blackout and lag, no doubt faster AF, larger ISO range etc. It's probably more of a difference than between EOS 3 and 1V, but even if not, plenty of people still bought the 1V.
If I was a company I wouldn't really care how I achieved the bottom line. If I sell far more cheaper cameras than more expensive cameras and I end up with the same if not more money I'm not worried. Don't forget a lot of the 1 series sales in the past have been artificial; many bought them because there was no choice really if you wanted the AF performance or speed.
