alundeb wrote:
Or skip one upgrade cycle. It is not difficult to imagine a D900 with 36 MP and 8 fps in 3 years.
Yes. And as far I see it would not be difficult to announce a "real" D700 "follow up" at photokina with all the same and the 24MP sensor of D3 X kind. I think those D700 users, who do not need 36MP would love that. I am a Canon FB (fanboy). At about € 2000 I would love that not less. The only missing feature for me would be the scroll wheel.
I think most people here agree, and Nikon agrees, but Canon doesn't. Why develop a hyper expensive 200-400 that will sell in microscopic quantities, when they could just add IS to the 400 f5.6, or produce a refractive (non-DO) 400 f4.5 (like the old FD 400 f4.5) that would sell for a profitable $2500? It would outsell the 200-400 by 100:1.
Why would Canon fall down on the floor, kicking and screaming, not agreeing to add IS to the 400 f5.6, and then put it on a 24 and 28mm prime, which no one asked for? I think it is clear that Canon has ideological blinders, rising above common sense and the desire to maximize profit....Show more →
Very good questions, as a sports shooter I just shake my head.
gdanmitchell wrote:
In the longer term, I sort of suspect that we might perhaps eventually (a ways off!) see all Canon DSLRs move to full frame, with the smaller formats largely or completely reserved for other types of cameras, such as the new G1X and related subsequent cameras.
Dan
To do that they will have to cancel the entire line of EF-S lenses. As they have obviously been committing substantial resources to this line in recent years (the 18-200mm and 15-85mm models) it seems unlikely that the cancellation is on the cards in anything other than the very long term. Still, in 20-25 years you might well be right.
Well, the smaller sensors will always be cheaper, so there will always be APS-C or smaller sensors for entry level bodies. It is possible that there will be $1000 FF/FX bodies though.
15Bit wrote:
To do that they will have to cancel the entire line of EF-S lenses. As they have obviously been committing substantial resources to this line in recent years (the 18-200mm and 15-85mm models) it seems unlikely that the cancellation is on the cards in anything other than the very long term. Still, in 20-25 years you might well be right.
First, I'm speculating wildly. Second, I'm thinking in the fairly long term - perhaps 5 to 10 years or longer - so I don't see this happening right away. Third, products can come and go more quickly than you might think...
If it will always be cheaper to make a smaller sensor (it will), Canon will always choose to manufacture a cheaper camera using a cheaper sensor. I honestly can't see EF-S going away anytime soon, though I can see the 7D's EF-S sensor going away.
Jeff wrote:
If it will always be cheaper to make a smaller sensor (it will), Canon will always choose to manufacture a cheaper camera using a cheaper sensor. I honestly can't see EF-S going away anytime soon, though I can see the 7D's EF-S sensor going away.
The crop cameras are particularly good for consumers since they're more transportable. For that reason alone I don't seem them going away anytime soon either
However, the 7d is an interesting one... I agree, I don't know about the future for that... I do see the point of it but I wonder if Canon might feel they have one camera too many in that market? In the end they can only make so many cameras.
I don't know how the 7d has sold since it came out?
They won't do away with the 1.6x crop anytime soon - this would make a lot of people really upset as their lens values would plummet overnight and the birders would be up in arms...
I could see them putting the MKIV sensor in the 7D though and leaving 1.6x for the 70D and rebel line.
artsupreme wrote:
They won't do away with the 1.6x crop anytime soon - this would make a lot of people really upset as their lens values would plummet overnight and the birders would be up in arms...
I could see them putting the MKIV sensor in the 7D though and leaving 1.6x for the 70D and rebel line.
Historically, this has happened with some frequency as new lens designs have been introduced and the old (FD anyone?) were no longer supported. Such transitions always produce some angst, yet they do happen.
And thinking in ever larger terms, it is hard to argue that things won't change when we argue from the perspective of digital SLRs, which made tons and tons of excellent film gear obsolete during the past decade, was able to accomplish a much larger change very quickly. :-)
gdanmitchell wrote:
Historically, this has happened with some frequency as new lens designs have been introduced and the old (FD anyone?) were no longer supported. Such transitions always produce some angst, yet they do happen.
And thinking in ever larger terms, it is hard to argue that things won't change when we argue from the perspective of digital SLRs, which made tons and tons of excellent film gear obsolete during the past decade, was able to accomplish a much larger change very quickly. :-)
Dan
Obviously everything will be replaced eventually, that's a given....but my key words were "anytime soon"....they will not ditch the croppers in the next generation, not going to happen.
retrofocus wrote:
The first - not video optimized - rumor camera sounds promising. Canon ran now out of options - they have to release an equivalent to D800 very soon with something extra at the same price tag. I can't see that they have another choice now thanks to Nikon. Let's hope for the best!
Lets hear a hip hip hooray for NIkon they did what thousands of Canon users couldnt do.. convince canon that teh 5dII was a mediocre product
Airphoto wrote:
Canon ran now out of options - they have to release an equivalent to D800 very soon with something extra at the same price tag
Why? Canon don't need to match Nikon pixel for pixel or even exceed feature for feature. Why would they? For years Canon folks have been saying how poor Nikon was compared to Canon, and being that much poorer why would any one have ever bought their products?
So, if Canon was some how not ahead on certain features (just like Nikon allegedly wasn't before) then what would happen? Lots of folks would continue to buy Canon just like folks continued to buy Nikon in the past.
One or two products made by Nikon won't kill Canon, just like all the Canon products put together in the last five years didn't kill Nikon.
Canon don't 'have' to do anything. Canon should stick to their own development and release schedule and not be scared by the D800. After all, we don't know what's coming and they do.
People jump ship from one to the other all the time. You may be crowing for the D800 while some one on the Nikon side may be crowing for the 50 f1.2 and 85 f1.2 Get over it
PhilDWedding wrote:
The crop cameras are particularly good for consumers since they're more transportable. For that reason alone I don't seem them going away anytime soon either
However, the 7d is an interesting one... I agree, I don't know about the future for that... I do see the point of it but I wonder if Canon might feel they have one camera too many in that market? In the end they can only make so many cameras.
I don't know how the 7d has sold since it came out?
Wow, the 7D would be the one to keep and kill off the xxD, if anything. The 60D started turning more into a rebel while the tops rebels have been turning more into xxD.
Now they're talking about using the MkIV's AF system, and possibly a new 580 replacement flash using radio for triggering. Now that would be a sweet thing to obviate having to use an external alternative, especially one that requires a kludge to work properly in some circumstances. Of course, I'll believe it when I see that it works properly...
Jeff wrote:
Now they're talking about using the [rumor of the day thingie].
The "they" who you describe as "talking about using" various things are anonymous, change daily, and report new "solid rumors" faster then folks can re-post and discuss them in forums. Lots of frothy photography forum fun, for sure... but we've all seen this process play out before. Any of the various and wildly divergent things we read on this or that rumor site or this or that forum might be close to the truth, guesswork, wild speculation, or totally fictitious.
Enjoy. But stay calm. :-)
Dan,
... who is hoping to use his "mediocre product" to make some photographs in and around Seattle over the next few days. I hear it may rain, and that's no rumor!
Oh, I'm calm. I've been around long enough to fully understand the ludicrosity of it all (is that even a word?). I just picked up a 5D MkII, so I'm not in the market for any of this (even though the radio-flash thing sounds attractive, replacing 3 flashes does not). Call me a wavemaker if you wish, but speculation is certainly entertaining.
