I for one have always appreciated the fact that these stores are operated in this manner. It is one thing to say I am of a certain faith and only do that which is in my best interest (in a worldly way) and another to walk the walk and truely live that which you believe. I salute B&H and Adorama for closing in accordance with their beliefs. There are other stores for those of you who either just have to have it today, or who object to someone living their lives different than you do. Steven
laurapalmer wrote:
...Unfortunately, you [BrianO] have contradicted yourself in your last sentence: attempting to convert someone, trying to convince them of your beliefs, is not avoiding infringement upon theirs.
I disagree. Leading by example, being open to questions, and -- yes -- even being a little pushy isn't infringing on another's rights. It's exactly the same as what you are doing here: free speech. It only becomes infringement on their rights if done by force or coercion, etc. I can knock on your door, as long as I leave if told to do so.
laurapalmer wrote:
...(For example, I think telling someone they will be banished to hell and tortured for eternity if they don't believe the same, is a horrible thing)
I don't know if you have children or not, but if you do wouldn't you feel compelled by love to teach them not to touch a hot stove, including telling them what could happen if they do?
laurapalmer wrote:
...How can you say that religion teaches respect for others, when even members of the same so-called religion cannot stop killing one another (Shia and Sunni Muslims, for example)?
Don't blame God for man's failings. Sure, Muslims are killing Muslims, Protestants and Catholics in Britain have done so, etc. But saying one is killing in the name of God doesn't make it so. And lest you try to ignore it, let me remind you that athiests also kill people. The on-going genocide in Tibet by the Chinese government trying to irradicate Tibetan Buddhists is but one example.
All those who're angry with the OP for being intolerant ... are being intolerant to the OP's point-of-view. B&H has the right to close down .. fine. OP has the right to complain. If your bank closed down every time they saw fit to close down, including all online transactions, you may think differently.
Grant G. wrote:
I'm not Jewish, I not much of anything, but I respect a company that actually has values and observes them, even if they aren't my own.
+1. Even though I too aren't Jewish, one of the reasons I do buy from them is they put something besides profits first.
on banks: you know they did and some still do (you ever hear of the term bankers hours?). back when they did (generally 3PM) and there was no such thing as an ATM you used that putty between your ears and thought well ahead to prepare.
to me this was an exercise by the originator to "stir the pot" over a lot of nothing. nothing more nothing less. if it wasn't, someone here don't read too well (being that they advert it weeks before on the front and just about every page you look through while on their site) and that putty thing between the ears don't work too well either. as was said many options some open some not.
another slow news week ain't it. don't worry the Photo Plus show is just around the corner we'll see somethin new, maybe? of course someone will need it immediately.
Personally, I don't have any problem with any store closing any time of the year .. till I personally get affected by it. I assume all of you B&H supporters are of the same opinion, but won't admit it.
saaketham wrote:
All those who're angry with the OP for being intolerant ... are being intolerant to the OP's point-of-view. B&H has the right to close down .. fine. OP has the right to complain. If your bank closed down every time they saw fit to close down, including all online transactions, you may think differently.
That's what they used to call "bankers hours"...in the pre-ATM days.
saaketham wrote:
Personally, I don't have any problem with any store closing any time of the year .. till I personally get affected by it. I assume all of you B&H supporters are of the same opinion, but won't admit it.
i used to work 2 blocks away from their original B&H store in the '70s. fridays it closed at 1PM.
as you reach adulthood you usually attain that nirvana state called patience or that other all important state called proper planning for a situation. either one of these states negates the need for that whining state because you can't have it exactly when you want it at your whim.
When FedEx has a camera or lens or some gadget that I really want to play with/use, and they don't show up, I get very disappointed. Don't tell me you've never been disappointed when shipments got delayed.
no i haven't. like i said i plan. you can track these things for the most part too. you can even dump more cash into it and have it overnighted if you really gotta have it. but in short order of doing that a few times you learn its just if it not for immediate profit or someone/something real special its just not worth it.
i have a neat little job to do in 2 weeks and i'm prepping for it right now. i even have a trip in between.
sjms wrote:
i used to work 2 blocks away from their original B&H store in the '70s. fridays it closed at 1PM.
as you reach adulthood you usually attain that nirvana state called patience or that other all important state called proper planning for a situation. either one of these states negates the need for that whining state because you can't have it exactly when you want it at your whim.
Perhaps it is a generalization, but the younger generations don't seem to make that transition as quickly as ours if ever at all. Everybody is in a hurry and expects the world to revolve around them. When things don't go well it is always someone else's fault, never theirs.
Bullseye5d2 wrote:
closing for that kind of holiday, for periods that long, is disrespectful of their customers who don't believe in that religion (whatever holiday we're talking about)
Announcing it in advance doesn't excuse it.
Drew's opening remark barely caused a stir (sorry drew, nobody's talking about you) The conversation starter was this fellow in quotes above. How it amounts to disrespect is beyond me. No one can argue that B&H doesn't lose some business in this manner. It's a moot point. The service and prices are good enough that it's my usual first stop. Those are the only reasons any of us go there. No matter what else has been proposed here. All the rest of this discussion has been rather pointless except for that fact that I do love to poke fun at ridiculous statements. It's a weakness that I'm working on
One of the stories about Chic-Fil-A is that when shopping centers have demanded they remain open seven days the chain has shown that their sales for six days exceeded what similar stores sold in seven. They treat their employees respectfully, and they, in turn, praise the company. That's important, especially these days.
There's a saying that fits: "Failure to plan on your part does not create an emergency on mine."
A couple of other stores to consider: KEH in Atlanta, and Midwest Photo, Columbus, Ohio.
If you don't like the fact that the owners of BH take their religious values seriously, there are always other vendors, so what's the problem? Adorama would love to fill in....
I'm not Jewish, I not much of anything, but I respect a company that actually has values and observes them, even if they aren't my own. BH closings have been inconvenient for me over the years, and yet it is just not that big of a deal.
Grant
Absolutely, well stated and what this country was founded on!
saaketham wrote:
All those who're angry with the OP for being intolerant ... are being intolerant to the OP's point-of-view.
That comment is an example of "moral relativism." Contrary to your seeming belief, some behaviors should not be tolerated. People should speak out against evil.
If your bank closed down every time they saw fit to close down, including all online transactions, you may think differently.
Everybody is in a hurry and expects the world to revolve around them. When things don't go well it is always someone else's fault, never theirs.
