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gdanmitchell wrote:
I do not have a 5D3, but since no one has replied I'll at least tell you what I use on a 5D2. I may mention a bit more than just AF settings.

I generally, but not quite always, have the camera in burst mode. However, most often I don't actually burst, but instead do a light single press to make a single photograph. If I need to burst I simply leave my finger on the shutter longer.

Most often I use AI Servo mode. If the background is plain - e.g. sky - I'll likely leave all AF points on
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What a waste of a post, nothing to do with the OP question about AF on the 5D 3, did you get it? AF on the 5D 3.
How do you think posting "what I use on the 5D 2" would possibly help the OP's question?
Amazed.




Jan 17, 2013 at 11:28 PM
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marko1953 wrote:
What a waste of a post, nothing to do with the OP question about AF on the 5D 3, did you get it? AF on the 5D 3.
How do you think posting "what I use on the 5D 2" would possibly help the OP's question?
Amazed.


Thanks for venting...

I posted that after seeing that a full week has passed after the OP asked the question without a single reply and that he had returned with the second "bump" post in an attempt to get some response. I thought that perhaps it would be useful to share what I do know in the absence of any information from anyone who owns the 5D3.

I think that provided two kinds of value:

1. A good number of the decisions about how to set up a camera for BIF are camera-independent. In other words, the basic concepts that apply on a 5D2 (or other DSLR) can also be usefully applied on the 5D3.

2. After I posted my reply, a lot of other forum members saw the post and did chime in with information specific to the 5D3.

Your "didn't you get it? AF on the 5D 3" rant is a way off track. I did get it, which is why I began my post with:

gdanmitchell wrote:
I do not have a 5D3, but since no one has replied I'll at least tell you what I use on a 5D2...


Now, as to your "offering," first you stepped into a situation that you clearly don't understand and second you have offered nothing that could possibly be of any value to the OP. I've got a hunch that the OP just might have found a bit more value in what I wrote than in your bad-tempered bleating.

Dan







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Jan 18, 2013 at 01:09 AM
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With AI servo I found that I, at times, would lose tracking of the subject and I needed to release the focus button and push it down again to regain it. I might do this several times or none at all as I track a particular fly by.


Well said! I do this a lot too. I think it's a single most important technique to be successful @ BIF.



Jan 18, 2013 at 01:27 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I posted that after seeing that a full week has passed after the OP asked the question without a single reply and that he had returned with the second "bump" post in an attempt to get some response.


The OP did not bump the thread, I did.



Jan 18, 2013 at 02:38 AM
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Imagemaster wrote:
The OP did not bump the thread, I did.


OK. Someone did, at least! :-)



Jan 18, 2013 at 03:33 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Thanks for venting...

I posted that after seeing that a full week has passed after the OP asked the question without a single reply and that he had returned with the second "bump" post in an attempt to get some response. I thought that perhaps it would be useful to share what I do know in the absence of any information from anyone who owns the 5D3.

I think that provided two kinds of value:

1. A good number of the decisions about how to set up a camera for BIF are camera-independent. In other words, the basic concepts that apply on
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There is really no need to post BIF photos to support your assertions. This is just "grand-standing" and saying "See, look at my photo, I really do know what I am talking about". I have no doubt you are an accomplished photographer of BIF's. We all get that.

My point was that your post was irrelevant to the OP's question, because it was specifically about AF ON THE 5D3.
The AF on the 5D2 (which you posted details about) is absolutely nothing like AF on the 5D3. Therefore most of your post was irrelevant.

Look at this another way say on a car forum..... Someone asks a question about a 59 Chev automatic. No one replies for a few days so another person writes in about their experience with a 2010 Jaguar automatic. The person with the 59 Chev is not any wiser after the post about the Jaguar. Some things may be "car independant" they all have 4 wheels and they all have some sort of motor and gearbox.

In regards to your point 1, above. "A good number of the decisions about how to set up a camera for BIF are camera-independent. In other words, the basic concepts that apply on a 5D2 (or other DSLR) can also be usefully applied on the 5D3."
Can you please enlighten us on exactly what is camera independent? Please keep your answer confined to the AF as this was the OP's question. Please don't write that the focus point must be kept on the bird! I think we all know that.

Your point about other posters chiming in with useful info has nothing to do with my original assertion that:
YOUR POST WAS IRRELEVANT.

Thanks go to the very relevant posts of other members. If your sole intention was to "bump up" the post, you did not need to write more than a few words. I think your sole motivation was to show off your superior knowledge about your BIF photography, albeit on an entirely irrelevant camera.



Jan 18, 2013 at 04:56 AM
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Dan posted some relevant and useful information for beginners, IMO.


Jan 18, 2013 at 05:01 AM
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There is really no need to post BIF photos to support your assertions. This is just "grand-standing" and saying "See, look at my photo, I really do know what I am talking about". I have no doubt you are an accomplished photographer of BIF's. We all get that.

My point was that your post was irrelevant to the OP's question, because it was specifically about AF ON THE 5D3.
The AF on the 5D2 (which you posted details about) is absolutely nothing like AF on the 5D3. Therefore most of your post was irrelevant.

Look at this another way say
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Wow.

"When words become unclear, I shall focus with photographs. When images become inadequate, I shall be content with silence." - Ansel Adams

Bye now.


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Jan 18, 2013 at 05:27 AM
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Dan gave some great info. Your attacks on him are completely inappropriate and you should apologize.


Jan 18, 2013 at 05:54 AM
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Dan did give some good information that I think applies to the 5DIII for bif. If the OP specifically asked, "how do I go through each of the AF menu settings on my 5DIII for bif", then Dan's info would still be good to know depending on the OP experience, but not specifically answering the question.

Nothing wrong with his nice photo. I do not see Dan as someone trying to show off and did not take it that way.

Much like Jim Fox's kind but accurate photo critiques, I appreciate Dan's grounded, cogent, and well intended advice here on FM.



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The setting I use depends on what BIF I'm shooting. Eagles, for example, tend to have a fairly straight flight plan. As such, I find mode 1 will usually suffice. On the other hand, for more challenging subjects like owls, I've been using mode 4 with good results. And although I have not yet used it, I suspect mode 6 might also be good for that.

So my answer is this: It depends. I think the best advice I can give you is to learn what each mode does and then apply it to the BIF you're pointing at.

Here are a few images from my 5D Mark III:



















I should also add that I generally use centre point along with the 4 surrounding focus points.

Henrik



Jan 19, 2013 at 10:39 PM
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Jan 19, 2013 at 11:30 PM
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Dan what did you do to make him so worked up ? .

gdanmitchell wrote:
Wow.

"When words become unclear, I shall focus with photographs. When images become inadequate, I shall be content with silence." - Ansel Adams

Bye now.




Jan 19, 2013 at 11:50 PM
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This thread reminds me of a great story told by my wife. In a meeting at her job about bla, bla, bla, a blowhard who loves to hear himself talk said "I don't know anything about bla, bla, bla... but let me just say" at which point the organizer of the meeting interrupted him saying, "Fred, If you don't know anything about bla, bla, bla... then why in the hell are you talking?" Hilarity ensued...


Jan 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM
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I think Dan knows what he's talking about................I certainly trust his advice more than the advice given by marko. Oh, wait, Marko didn't GIVE any advice, duh.....

Henrik - very inspirational photos for me, just got my 5D3 set up today, can't wait to really test out those "cases"!

Jo



Jan 20, 2013 at 01:06 AM
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p.2 #16 · 5D Mk III BIF settings


kewlcanon wrote:
Dan what did you do to make him so worked up ? .


Your guess is as good as mine. ;-)



Jan 20, 2013 at 06:21 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Your guess is as good as mine. ;-)


Attempting to answer your question...The following is not aimed at Dan (except for point 3 below) or anyone in particular...Just a bit sick of reading posts from the following types:
1. People who don't actually own the camera or equipment in question, but just re-gurgitate what they have read on here and think that they are experts because of this.
2. People who like to make comments just for the sake of putting forward their superior knowledge in extremely long posts.
3. People who can't answer the question being asked by the poster but then proceed to give some knowledge on a sort-of related issue.

Here is a quote from the original post
" I'd like to know your AF settings for BIF shots. I will have my hands on a Mk III Monday"
his main problem was to
"figure out the settings" on a 5D 3.

I stand by my original assertion that Dan's post was irrelevant in relation to the original question.

I am willing to concede the following:
1. Dan is an accomplished BIF photographer and probably a good bloke
2. Dan has posted many helpful posts on here
3. There was nothing wrong with the photo that Dan posted (I never said there was), I just said there was no need to post it.
4. Some of Dan's post may have been helpful to some who want to do BIF photography

However none of the above points have anything to do with my original statement.

I have just obtained a 5D3 and The only reason I clicked on this thread in the first place was to see out of curiosity how BIF photographers may be using the settings on the 5D3 as the AF menu is highly complex and nothing the like the menu on the 5D2.

I hope this explains the reasons for my "attack" on Dan as his was one of the types referred to above. I have learnt so much from reading on here and sure, I can just ignore posts I don't like or which are unhelpful. I usually do, but I guess I just had enough of certain "types". I apologise to Dan and any others I have offended.


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Jan 21, 2013 at 02:25 AM
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hnilsson wrote:
The setting I use depends on what BIF I'm shooting. Eagles, for example, tend to have a fairly straight flight plan. As such, I find mode 1 will usually suffice. On the other hand, for more challenging subjects like owls, I've been using mode 4 with good results. And although I have not yet used it, I suspect mode 6 might also be good for that.

So my answer is this: It depends. I think the best advice I can give you is to learn what each mode does and then apply it to the BIF you're pointing at.

Here are
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I've only seen owls a few times in the wild, mostly at night and never flying around in the day, so these shots amaze me. Most jealous.

Great work.



Jan 21, 2013 at 02:47 AM
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marko1953 wrote:
Attempting to answer your question...The following is not aimed at Dan (except for point 3 below) or anyone in particular...Just a bit sick of reading posts from the following types:
1. People who don't actually own the camera or equipment in question, but just re-gurgitate what they have read on here and think that they are experts because of this.
2. People who like to make comments just for the sake of putting forward their superior knowledge in extremely long posts.
3. People who can't answer the question being asked by the poster but then proceed to give some knowledge on a sort-of
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That is great that you came back and said this. Kudos!



Jan 21, 2013 at 02:52 AM
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