kimbentsen wrote:
Yes, I know what you mean. Phase One digital backs are made in Denmark, but with a cheap imported American made sensor. Same problem with the new Pentax 645D. Hard to find solid European and Japanese products these days.
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The point is, that country racism don't belong in this new century. It does not matter where things are made, if proper QA is in place.
kimbentsen wrote:
The point is, that country racism don't belong in this new century. It does not matter where things are made, if proper QA is in place.
Correct - most people don't care too much where something is made anymore, as long as it works. What they do care about is attempts to pull the wool over their eyes.
NB - Irony isn't much understood or appreciated here, especially on this subject...
kimbentsen wrote:
The point is, that country racism don't belong in this new century. It does not matter where things are made, if proper QA is in place.
miccullen wrote:
Correct - most people don't care too much where something is made anymore, as long as it works. What they do care about is attempts to pull the wool over their eyes.
NB - Irony isn't much understood or appreciated here, especially on this subject...
WTF is country racism? and where is the misunderstood and unappreciated irony?
miccullen wrote:
Correct - most people don't care too much where something is made anymore, as long as it works. What they do care about is attempts to pull the wool over their eyes.
I disagree. Most people do, indeed, care when factories are closed in their towns and moved to places where governments keep labor at a subsistence level. That's why Europeans were violently protesting economic globalism in the 90s--before most had Americans figured out what the local consequences of globalism would be.
If they didn't care, there would be no motivation for a company to do any wool pulling. The reason "Made in..." matters at all is because people care. Nor is it a matter of "country racism" (which apparently is a silly term for "nationalism"). It's a matter of "the factory used to be here, now it's in India and we're out of a job."
And even more insidious, it eventually becomes a matter of, "The factories are now in other countries--and we don't even have the capability to build things here anymore."
RDKirk wrote:
(which apparently is a silly term for "nationalism").
I know that not all Americans believe the entire world (if they even understand that there is a world worth noticing outside the borders of the USA!) speaks English fluently. There does seem to be an over-representation (well, hopefully) on internet forums, though, which is where you'd expect to see it least.
miccullen wrote:
I know that not all Americans believe the entire world (if they even understand that there is a world worth noticing outside the borders of the USA!) speaks English fluently. There does seem to be an over-representation (well, hopefully) on internet forums, though, which is where you'd expect to see it least.
Well, I've spent 12 years living in the Far East...and Babelfish would do a better job than "country racism" if the intention is "nationalism."
miccullen wrote:
[Correct - most people don't care too much where something is made anymore, as long as it works. What they do care about is attempts to pull the wool over their eyes.
I'm not sure how you guys in Australia label stuff (do you guys even make anything major besides beer and lambswool? ), but IMHO a lot of the pseudo "Made in the US" stuff was an attempt by our politicians to make Americans feel better that manufacturing jobs aren't being outsourced like crazy in this global economy. The alternative is to say "stuff no longer made here except we put a few pieces together so you can just expect our deficit to get worse and other countries will be the rich growing countries in the next decade instead of us". It's actually a lot worse than that. Even design work is outsourced...20yrs ago, Sun Microsystems was outsourcing designs of their workstations to India as was HP with their printers. Software was originally only outsourced for maintenance, but a lot of design work is also being done outside the US now. i.e., even the important intellectual property jobs that politicians claim are more important than manufacturing was has been outsourced for a while. In terms of the global economy, we have far less to offer to other countries than we used to. So they relaxed the definition of "Made in the US".
And as others have mentioned, with the complicated global supply chains nowadays, it's nearly impossible to say something is truly 100% Made in the US (or any other country for that matter...and I'd really like someone to see if they can get an answer from Manfrotto or Elinchrom on how much of their stuff is actually "Made in Switzerland"...if you can get any answer from them at all).
ok..maybe Really Right Stuff, which is mostly a CNC operation, is close to a Made in the US, but I'd bet most of their materials come from outside the country or their supply chain gets it from outside...
p.s., in case it isn't obvious, this thread really should be about politics in our country (possibly including other countries) rather than PCB's "Made in the US" labelling. I.e., what does "Made in XXXX" mean in the global economy?
Mexico, Jamaica, Trinidad, Italy, Spain, Monaco, Egypt, Morrocco, Ivory Coast, Kenya, Diego Garcia B.I.O. T., Seychelles, Oman, UAE, Iraq, Kuwait, Australia, New Zealand, Tonga, American Somoa, Singapore, Thailand, Philippines, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea ... maybe one or two more.
kenyee wrote:
I'm not sure how you guys in Australia label stuff (do you guys even make anything major besides beer and lambswool? ),
Well, we kinda make cars, but given that that's for GM (Holden), Ford and Toyota...
Mostly, we've been moving away from manufacturing for a few decades now. So we've gone from an unhealthy reliance on making things for domestic consumption to an unhealthy reliance on mining and tourism.
p.s., in case it isn't obvious, this thread really should be about politics in our country (possibly including other countries) rather than PCB's "Made in the US" labelling. I.e., what does "Made in XXXX" mean in the global economy?
Yeah, agreed, and we've said that a few times, but people don't necessarily seem to be reading that...
Nice 1.
ROFLMAO !!! 