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p.6 #1Beware Radioactive Lenses
"Evolved", "simplified", "rationalized", "streamlined", "unencumbered", even "improved" all might be better descriptors than "degenerated".
Dec 18, 2010 at 05:33 PM
p.6 #2Beware Radioactive Lenses
Lotusm50 wrote:
"Evolved", "simplified", "rationalized", "streamlined", "unencumbered", even "improved" all might be better descriptors than "degenerated".
+1
Just because the grammar has been simplified, it does not follow that the language has degenerated. (I am speaking of English, not American
)
"Evolved", "simplified", "rationalized", "streamlined", "unencumbered", even "improved" all might be better descriptors than "degenerated".
+1
Just because the grammar has been simplified, it does not follow that the language has degenerated. (I am speaking of English, not American
)Dec 18, 2010 at 05:37 PM
p.6 #3Beware Radioactive Lenses
http://www.merriam-webster.com
Definition of DEGENERATE
1a : having declined (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state; especially : having deteriorated progressively (as in the process of evolution) especially through loss of structure and function
even though the word is not PC it does fit .
Definition of DEGENERATE
1a : having declined (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state; especially : having deteriorated progressively (as in the process of evolution) especially through loss of structure and function
even though the word is not PC it does fit .
Dec 18, 2010 at 05:40 PM
p.6 #4Beware Radioactive Lenses
Haifisch M3 wrote:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/degenerated
Definition of DEGENERATE
1a : having declined (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state; especially : having deteriorated progressively (as in the process of evolution) especially through loss of structure and function
even though the word is not PC it does fit
this reminds of a history lecture i had long ago about how the roman empire didn't decline it just changed (who are we to say that losing flushing toilets is a decline). not a great analogy, it just brought back memories.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/degenerated
Definition of DEGENERATE
1a : having declined (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state; especially : having deteriorated progressively (as in the process of evolution) especially through loss of structure and function
even though the word is not PC it does fit
this reminds of a history lecture i had long ago about how the roman empire didn't decline it just changed (who are we to say that losing flushing toilets is a decline). not a great analogy, it just brought back memories.
Dec 18, 2010 at 05:52 PM
p.6 #5Beware Radioactive Lenses
As we get even more off-topic, Haifisch do you have a BMW ///M3 with a Shark injector?
Dec 18, 2010 at 06:16 PM
p.6 #6Beware Radioactive Lenses
sirimiri wrote:
As we get even more off-topic, Haifisch do you have a BMW ///M3 with a Shark injector?
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae196/HaifischM3/Z%20M3/005.jpg
Yes and no
I believe it has a Dinan reflash
As we get even more off-topic, Haifisch do you have a BMW ///M3 with a Shark injector?
http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae196/HaifischM3/Z%20M3/005.jpg
Yes and no
I believe it has a Dinan reflash
Dec 18, 2010 at 06:29 PM
p.6 #7Beware Radioactive Lenses
Wow, free (re-flashed ECU) and radical (///M3)
Dec 18, 2010 at 07:26 PM
p.6 #8Beware Radioactive Lenses
sirimiri wrote:
Wow, free (re-flashed ECU) and radical (///M3)
thanks
cogitech wrote:
+1
Just because the grammar has been simplified, it does not follow that the language has degenerated. (I am speaking of English, not American )
+2
even though german is my first language it is easier to express thoughts in english.
I am no linguist but it has to do with the complex sentence construction in german which forces you to have to finish the sentence in your head before beginning to speak. Otherwise you might not be able to finish the sentence in proper german. Has to do with the verb often being at the end of the sentence. Thomas Mann had sentences that were an entire page + long. If you don't pay careful attention you won't be able to make sense of it at the end without re-reading it especially when the key verb shows up at the end of it.
english on the other hand allows you to speak as you think without the danger of boxing yourself into a corner
If you ever watch germans speak in public you will se how they carefully measure their words and speak slowly. They just want to make sure that they don't embarrass themselves
Wow, free (re-flashed ECU) and radical (///M3)
thanks
cogitech wrote:
Lotusm50 wrote
"Evolved", "simplified", "rationalized", "streamlined", "unencumbered", even "improved" all might be better descriptors than "degenerated".Just because the grammar has been simplified, it does not follow that the language has degenerated. (I am speaking of English, not American
)+2
even though german is my first language it is easier to express thoughts in english.
I am no linguist but it has to do with the complex sentence construction in german which forces you to have to finish the sentence in your head before beginning to speak. Otherwise you might not be able to finish the sentence in proper german. Has to do with the verb often being at the end of the sentence. Thomas Mann had sentences that were an entire page + long. If you don't pay careful attention you won't be able to make sense of it at the end without re-reading it especially when the key verb shows up at the end of it.
english on the other hand allows you to speak as you think without the danger of boxing yourself into a corner
If you ever watch germans speak in public you will se how they carefully measure their words and speak slowly. They just want to make sure that they don't embarrass themselves
Dec 18, 2010 at 08:16 PM
p.6 #9Beware Radioactive Lenses
Haifisch M3 wrote:
If you ever watch germans speak in public you will see how they carefully measure their words and speak slowly.
Not such a bad thing.
Many English speakers could use a very good dose of this, IMO.
If you ever watch germans speak in public you will see how they carefully measure their words and speak slowly.
Not such a bad thing.
Many English speakers could use a very good dose of this, IMO.
Dec 18, 2010 at 08:46 PM
p.6 #10Beware Radioactive Lenses
cogitech wrote:
Not such a bad thing.
Many English speakers could use a very good dose of this, IMO.
that applies to all nationalities...especially politicians
Not such a bad thing.
Many English speakers could use a very good dose of this, IMO.
that applies to all nationalities...especially politicians
Dec 18, 2010 at 09:53 PM
p.6 #11Beware Radioactive Lenses
rtester wrote:
I think I need to shorten all my lens straps, just to be on the safe side.
I think I need to shorten all my lens straps, just to be on the safe side.
Dec 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM
p.6 #12Beware Radioactive Lenses
cogitech wrote:
+1
Just because the grammar has been simplified, it does not follow that the language has degenerated. (I am speaking of English, not American )
You think "American" is bad, you should hear most Singaporean's speak English.
And again, I speak American, so I'm not really one to talk, but WOW Singlish is pretty bad! And I wouldn't make fun of another culture trying to pickup a foreign language, but English is the primary language here, it's used in schools. My fiance speaks proper English, she's very well spoken and multilingual as well.. How it's lost on some people I don't know?!
On another note, I wish I had a british accent, it really works a crowd of girls over here in SG.
Oh and while I was in Amsterdam I loved chatting up the locals for directions, the ones that spoke english (95% guessing the rest were tourists themselves) had an awesome accent!
Lotusm50 wrote
"Evolved", "simplified", "rationalized", "streamlined", "unencumbered", even "improved" all might be better descriptors than "degenerated".Just because the grammar has been simplified, it does not follow that the language has degenerated. (I am speaking of English, not American
)You think "American" is bad, you should hear most Singaporean's speak English.
And again, I speak American, so I'm not really one to talk, but WOW Singlish is pretty bad! And I wouldn't make fun of another culture trying to pickup a foreign language, but English is the primary language here, it's used in schools. My fiance speaks proper English, she's very well spoken and multilingual as well.. How it's lost on some people I don't know?!
On another note, I wish I had a british accent, it really works a crowd of girls over here in SG.
Oh and while I was in Amsterdam I loved chatting up the locals for directions, the ones that spoke english (95% guessing the rest were tourists themselves) had an awesome accent!
Dec 18, 2010 at 11:00 PM
p.6 #13Beware Radioactive Lenses
cogitech wrote:
Not such a bad thing.
Many English speakers could use a very good dose of this, IMO.
Beware Radioactive Paul.
Haifisch M3 wrote
If you ever watch germans speak in public you will see how they carefully measure their words and speak slowly.Many English speakers could use a very good dose of this, IMO.
Beware Radioactive Paul.
Dec 18, 2010 at 11:24 PM
p.6 #14Beware Radioactive Lenses
Haifisch M3 wrote:
http://www.merriam-webster.com
Definition of DEGENERATE
1a : having declined (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state; especially : having deteriorated progressively (as in the process of evolution) especially through loss of structure and function
even though the word is not PC it does fit .
Except that it had not "declined" and it had not "deteriorated"! It grew, expanded and improved. It became easier to use and express one's self -- quite the opposite of that definition. Anyone who thinks that modern English is less functional, less expressive, less able to convey one's thoughts and meaning than Old West Germanic Saxon is truly smoking something.
cogitech wrote:
+1
Just because the grammar has been simplified, it does not follow that the language has degenerated. (I am speaking of English, not American )
Exactly. except I would modify it this way "(I am speaking of English, not certain regional American sub-dialects)." ;-)
http://www.merriam-webster.com
Definition of DEGENERATE
1a : having declined (as in nature, character, structure, or function) from an ancestral or former state; especially : having deteriorated progressively (as in the process of evolution) especially through loss of structure and function
even though the word is not PC it does fit .
Except that it had not "declined" and it had not "deteriorated"! It grew, expanded and improved. It became easier to use and express one's self -- quite the opposite of that definition. Anyone who thinks that modern English is less functional, less expressive, less able to convey one's thoughts and meaning than Old West Germanic Saxon is truly smoking something.
cogitech wrote:
Lotusm50 wrote
"Evolved", "simplified", "rationalized", "streamlined", "unencumbered", even "improved" all might be better descriptors than "degenerated".Just because the grammar has been simplified, it does not follow that the language has degenerated. (I am speaking of English, not American
)Exactly. except I would modify it this way "(I am speaking of English, not certain regional American sub-dialects)." ;-)
Dec 19, 2010 at 12:14 AM
p.6 #15Beware Radioactive Lenses
AmbientMike wrote:
I would be interested to know how cellphones expose one to radiation. I was thinking these were microwave, which is a much longer and less powerful wavelength than gamma radiation.
Ever heard of a microwave oven?...There is a reason they use microwaves of a certain frequency because water absorbs the radiation and this heats it up.
The human body is mostly water but it also has DNA to worry about and one of the side effects of heating water in the human body is DNA damage...And that can lead to Cancer...This is why the extended use of mobile phones, which TX at microwave frequencies, is becoming a cause of concern to many. Ever wondered why your head feels warm when you have been talking on your mobile phone for a while...Well now you know!
I would be interested to know how cellphones expose one to radiation. I was thinking these were microwave, which is a much longer and less powerful wavelength than gamma radiation.
Ever heard of a microwave oven?...There is a reason they use microwaves of a certain frequency because water absorbs the radiation and this heats it up.
The human body is mostly water but it also has DNA to worry about and one of the side effects of heating water in the human body is DNA damage...And that can lead to Cancer...This is why the extended use of mobile phones, which TX at microwave frequencies, is becoming a cause of concern to many. Ever wondered why your head feels warm when you have been talking on your mobile phone for a while...Well now you know!
Dec 19, 2010 at 05:01 AM
p.6 #16Beware Radioactive Lenses
My head doesn't feel warm, only my ear. And that's because of constantly holding a phone against it. My ear did also got warm in the 80's with a dial phone....
Dec 19, 2010 at 05:18 AM
p.6 #17Beware Radioactive Lenses
Haifisch M3 wrote:
even though german is my first language it is easier to express thoughts in english.
I am no linguist but it has to do with the complex sentence construction in german which forces you to have to finish the sentence in your head before beginning to speak.
...whereas in English you can safely start speaking before you know what you want to say!
even though german is my first language it is easier to express thoughts in english.
I am no linguist but it has to do with the complex sentence construction in german which forces you to have to finish the sentence in your head before beginning to speak.
...whereas in English you can safely start speaking before you know what you want to say!
Dec 19, 2010 at 06:40 AM
p.6 #18Beware Radioactive Lenses
Alf Beharie wrote:
Ever heard of a microwave oven?...There is a reason they use microwaves of a certain frequency because water absorbs the radiation and this heats it up.
The human body is mostly water but it also has DNA to worry about and one of the side effects of heating water in the human body is DNA damage...And that can lead to Cancer...This is why the extended use of mobile phones, which TX at microwave frequencies, is becoming a cause of concern to many. Ever wondered why your head feels warm when you have been talking on your mobile phone for a...Show more →
I think the danger is more of burns, not DNA damage.
I could rewrite your paragraph like so:
'Ever heard of a laser? Some power visible light lasers can really burn you! We should be wary of all sources of visible light due to possible burn/DNA damage. Only turn on the lights in your house in times of absolute need!'
Ionizing radiation is nasty because more or less EVERY collision can ionize the target. In the case of x-rays, gamma rays, etc., it is true that this is a photon/electromagnetic radiation just like visible light and RF. However, visible light and RF aren't ionizing. They can still be nasty because there is some absorption by soft tissues; if there weren't, your body would be transparent to visible light. It's clearly not. Crank up the power on that visible light source enough and it can be quite dangerous, basically through heating. I'm guessing the same could be true for RF sources - I don't have a specific example of that though. That doesn't mean lower power visible light sources or RF sources are dangerous.
Reasonably high power RF sources like a microwave have some pretty simple but very effective safety features that prevent us from harm. The screen in the window, the metal enclosure, and the auto-shutoff when the door is open. Those are all things which you can visible check on before using too, so there's no real worry of frying yourself with a microwave.
A cell phone is a not a high power RF source. ~1/2 watt? Your microwave oven is probably in the neighborhood of 1500 W. Just like a 1/2 watt electrical heater most likely isn't dangerous (if functioning properly), a high power heater in an electric stove could burn you pretty badly.
Ever heard of a microwave oven?...There is a reason they use microwaves of a certain frequency because water absorbs the radiation and this heats it up.
The human body is mostly water but it also has DNA to worry about and one of the side effects of heating water in the human body is DNA damage...And that can lead to Cancer...This is why the extended use of mobile phones, which TX at microwave frequencies, is becoming a cause of concern to many. Ever wondered why your head feels warm when you have been talking on your mobile phone for a...Show more →
I think the danger is more of burns, not DNA damage.
I could rewrite your paragraph like so:
'Ever heard of a laser? Some power visible light lasers can really burn you! We should be wary of all sources of visible light due to possible burn/DNA damage. Only turn on the lights in your house in times of absolute need!'
Ionizing radiation is nasty because more or less EVERY collision can ionize the target. In the case of x-rays, gamma rays, etc., it is true that this is a photon/electromagnetic radiation just like visible light and RF. However, visible light and RF aren't ionizing. They can still be nasty because there is some absorption by soft tissues; if there weren't, your body would be transparent to visible light. It's clearly not. Crank up the power on that visible light source enough and it can be quite dangerous, basically through heating. I'm guessing the same could be true for RF sources - I don't have a specific example of that though. That doesn't mean lower power visible light sources or RF sources are dangerous.
Reasonably high power RF sources like a microwave have some pretty simple but very effective safety features that prevent us from harm. The screen in the window, the metal enclosure, and the auto-shutoff when the door is open. Those are all things which you can visible check on before using too, so there's no real worry of frying yourself with a microwave.
A cell phone is a not a high power RF source. ~1/2 watt? Your microwave oven is probably in the neighborhood of 1500 W. Just like a 1/2 watt electrical heater most likely isn't dangerous (if functioning properly), a high power heater in an electric stove could burn you pretty badly.
Dec 19, 2010 at 07:32 AM
p.6 #19Beware Radioactive Lenses
carstenw wrote:
I *have* to sit down and learn some Swedish at some point in my life, not too far from now. I understand so much, yet the comprehension still eludes me. I did pick up a Swedish-English dictionary last time I was in Sweden (I couldn't find a Swedish-Danish dictionary, for some reason). I feel handicapped.
Strap a Super Tak 50/1.4 to your head, that should take the feeling away
Edited on Dec 19, 2010 at 08:22 AM · View previous versions
I *have* to sit down and learn some Swedish at some point in my life, not too far from now. I understand so much, yet the comprehension still eludes me. I did pick up a Swedish-English dictionary last time I was in Sweden (I couldn't find a Swedish-Danish dictionary, for some reason). I feel handicapped.
Strap a Super Tak 50/1.4 to your head, that should take the feeling away
Edited on Dec 19, 2010 at 08:22 AM · View previous versions
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