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p.10 #1Beware Radioactive Lenses
Makten wrote:
There's an older swedish word; "ränna" ("ä" is pronounced almost like "e" in german "rennen"), which obviously is the same as "rennen" and "running". "Löpa" (infinitive of "löpning") is derived from the same indo-european word as english "leap" and german "laufen". They don't mean the same anymore, but are still close.
Examples such as these are more common than you might think, but they have often changed so much that it's hard to see (or hear) the similarities if you're not consious of the relationship between the languages.
We do still use "ränna" about stressful action with a meaning more like hast with the swedish hasta, a word very seldom heard anymore (except in hasta la vista, baby). Christmas is a time for "ränna runt och jaga julklappar". (hasten around hunting C. presents)
There's an older swedish word; "ränna" ("ä" is pronounced almost like "e" in german "rennen"), which obviously is the same as "rennen" and "running". "Löpa" (infinitive of "löpning") is derived from the same indo-european word as english "leap" and german "laufen". They don't mean the same anymore, but are still close.
Examples such as these are more common than you might think, but they have often changed so much that it's hard to see (or hear) the similarities if you're not consious of the relationship between the languages.
We do still use "ränna" about stressful action with a meaning more like hast with the swedish hasta, a word very seldom heard anymore (except in hasta la vista, baby). Christmas is a time for "ränna runt och jaga julklappar". (hasten around hunting C. presents)
Dec 20, 2010 at 01:12 PM
p.10 #2Beware Radioactive Lenses
Z250SA wrote:
Deutsch_English_Svenska_Suomea
rennen=running=löpning=juoksu
Makten wrote:
There's an older swedish word; "ränna" ("ä" is pronounced almost like "e" in german "rennen"), which obviously is the same as "rennen" and "running". "Löpa" (infinitive of "löpning") is derived from the same indo-european word as english "leap" and german "laufen". They don't mean the same anymore, but are still close.
Examples such as these are more common than you might think, but they have often changed so much that it's hard to see (or hear) the similarities if you're not consious of the relationship between the languages.
As appears typical of English, when words are added from influencing languages they wind up not supplanting the "original" Saxon/German words but supplementing it but coming to have slightly different meanings. To following the "running" example...
running -- original Saxon/German word root
loping -- Norse/Swedish root
sprint -- Norse/Swedish root
dash -- middle French root
amble -- French/Latin root
Deutsch_English_Svenska_Suomea
rennen=running=löpning=juoksu
Makten wrote:
There's an older swedish word; "ränna" ("ä" is pronounced almost like "e" in german "rennen"), which obviously is the same as "rennen" and "running". "Löpa" (infinitive of "löpning") is derived from the same indo-european word as english "leap" and german "laufen". They don't mean the same anymore, but are still close.
Examples such as these are more common than you might think, but they have often changed so much that it's hard to see (or hear) the similarities if you're not consious of the relationship between the languages.
As appears typical of English, when words are added from influencing languages they wind up not supplanting the "original" Saxon/German words but supplementing it but coming to have slightly different meanings. To following the "running" example...
running -- original Saxon/German word root
loping -- Norse/Swedish root
sprint -- Norse/Swedish root
dash -- middle French root
amble -- French/Latin root
Dec 20, 2010 at 01:19 PM
p.10 #3Beware Radioactive Lenses
kosmoskatten wrote:
Got this the other day from a french canadian. His french differs from the european french but I can make out what he is saying, though my french is severely limited.
"The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.
Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas. "
Massive thanks to you kosmoskatten! I forwarded it, in it´s official presentation form, to the team a work. They are involved in rather heavy legislation formulations but were able to catch the humor at some stage finding it utterly refreshing. All but the boss, who came and said "Anders, mä en oiken ymmärtänyt tota uutta englantia" (A., I don´t really get it with that new e.) Aj zink he iz afreid zo häv zo lörn das neue EU vakiokieli.
Got this the other day from a french canadian. His french differs from the european french but I can make out what he is saying, though my french is severely limited.
"The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.
Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas. "
Massive thanks to you kosmoskatten! I forwarded it, in it´s official presentation form, to the team a work. They are involved in rather heavy legislation formulations but were able to catch the humor at some stage finding it utterly refreshing. All but the boss, who came and said "Anders, mä en oiken ymmärtänyt tota uutta englantia" (A., I don´t really get it with that new e.) Aj zink he iz afreid zo häv zo lörn das neue EU vakiokieli.
Dec 20, 2010 at 01:27 PM
p.10 #4Beware Radioactive Lenses
David Baldwin wrote:
Clearly too much radiation has caused this thread to mutate.
i think in this case the mutation proved to be advantageous, increasing the lifespan and reproductive success of the thread.
Clearly too much radiation has caused this thread to mutate.
i think in this case the mutation proved to be advantageous, increasing the lifespan and reproductive success of the thread.
Dec 20, 2010 at 01:46 PM
p.10 #5Beware Radioactive Lenses
carstenw wrote:
It works well for business and science, but then try to introduce your new girlfriend to a female acquaintance. Do it wrong and receive a slap for your troubles.
Indeed, I learned the hard way that "Rar tös" does not mean the same thing in Swedish and Norwegian. In Swedish it means "nice/sweet girl" while in Norwegian it translates roughly into "crazy slut"..
It works well for business and science, but then try to introduce your new girlfriend to a female acquaintance. Do it wrong and receive a slap for your troubles.
Indeed, I learned the hard way that "Rar tös" does not mean the same thing in Swedish and Norwegian. In Swedish it means "nice/sweet girl" while in Norwegian it translates roughly into "crazy slut"..
Dec 20, 2010 at 02:57 PM
p.10 #6Beware Radioactive Lenses
sebboh wrote:
i think in this case the mutation proved to be advantageous, increasing the lifespan and reproductive success of the thread.
Yes, definitely! I enjoy both halves immensely, very educational!
David Baldwin wrote
Clearly too much radiation has caused this thread to mutate.Yes, definitely! I enjoy both halves immensely, very educational!
Dec 20, 2010 at 03:37 PM
p.10 #7Beware Radioactive Lenses
denoir wrote:
Indeed, I learned the hard way that "Rar tös" does not mean the same thing in Swedish and Norwegian. In Swedish it means "nice/sweet girl" while in Norwegian it translates roughly into "crazy slut"..
Haha, that's brilliant. I guess the root forms mean the same, but the colloquial has changed the meaning in incompatible directions. Tøsepige in Danish means "chicken" (girl) or coward
carstenw wrote
It works well for business and science, but then try to introduce your new girlfriend to a female acquaintance. Do it wrong and receive a slap for your troubles.Haha, that's brilliant. I guess the root forms mean the same, but the colloquial has changed the meaning in incompatible directions. Tøsepige in Danish means "chicken" (girl) or coward
Dec 20, 2010 at 03:41 PM
p.10 #8Beware Radioactive Lenses
Makten wrote:
I'll answer in english, regarding the trouble for danes to understand swedish.
A shame. Yet another day where I learn no Swedish.
OK, I see what you mean. I understand every single word of the above, but in several cases based on guessing. I think the problem is that swedish has more german loaned words than danish, which is a bit funny. "Verkställa" must be german at least.
The root certainly is. Werkstelle, however, is a word referring to a place or a position, not an action, as far as I know, but then I am not German.
In Sweden, most people have some knowledge of older words that aren't used nowadays, but are the same as in norwegian and danish. So danish is a bit like reading older swedish, at least to me.
I don't think so. Icelandic maybe. Danmark just had a closer relationship to France through the ages, so the mix and influence of languages is different. Danish got a bit softer and less Nordisk through the continental influence.
I'll answer in english, regarding the trouble for danes to understand swedish.
A shame. Yet another day where I learn no Swedish.
OK, I see what you mean. I understand every single word of the above, but in several cases based on guessing. I think the problem is that swedish has more german loaned words than danish, which is a bit funny. "Verkställa" must be german at least.
The root certainly is. Werkstelle, however, is a word referring to a place or a position, not an action, as far as I know, but then I am not German.
In Sweden, most people have some knowledge of older words that aren't used nowadays, but are the same as in norwegian and danish. So danish is a bit like reading older swedish, at least to me.
I don't think so. Icelandic maybe. Danmark just had a closer relationship to France through the ages, so the mix and influence of languages is different. Danish got a bit softer and less Nordisk through the continental influence.
Dec 20, 2010 at 03:50 PM
p.10 #9Beware Radioactive Lenses
Lotusm50 wrote:
As appears typical of English, when words are added from influencing languages they wind up not supplanting the "original" Saxon/German words but supplementing it but coming to have slightly different meanings. To following the "running" example...
running -- original Saxon/German word root
loping -- Norse/Swedish root
sprint -- Norse/Swedish root
dash -- middle French root
amble -- French/Latin root
Funny thing is that today's germans love to use Fremdworte. It's hilarious...in order to sound educated they use Fremdworte (foreign words) that say the same exact thing that the equivalent german word would say but sound supposedly more sophisticated. Due to this elitist stupidity the Germnan language is being latinized for (mostly) no reason at all
As appears typical of English, when words are added from influencing languages they wind up not supplanting the "original" Saxon/German words but supplementing it but coming to have slightly different meanings. To following the "running" example...
running -- original Saxon/German word root
loping -- Norse/Swedish root
sprint -- Norse/Swedish root
dash -- middle French root
amble -- French/Latin root
Funny thing is that today's germans love to use Fremdworte. It's hilarious...in order to sound educated they use Fremdworte (foreign words) that say the same exact thing that the equivalent german word would say but sound supposedly more sophisticated. Due to this elitist stupidity the Germnan language is being latinized for (mostly) no reason at all
Dec 20, 2010 at 09:26 PM
p.10 #10Beware Radioactive Lenses
AmbientMike wrote:
It has come to my attention that many older lenses are radioactive. Be careful. The ones that get the most "ink" for this are the old Canon FD and Pentax m42 lenses, esp. 35/2 and normal lenses. I have read quite a bit and it seems you cannot tell whether or not a lens is radioactive without actually testing it. Some 50 1.4 Fd can be quite active, some not at all. The annual average dose in the US is usually about 300 millirems/year. Lenses can emit one millirem/hour or more, although it would be localized and not reach the...Show more →
Found this list of lenses...some of which are radioactive:
http://www.photo4u.it/viewtopic.php?p=1530804&sid=c5ec04985b78ebb71e494ca5efa4220f
It has come to my attention that many older lenses are radioactive. Be careful. The ones that get the most "ink" for this are the old Canon FD and Pentax m42 lenses, esp. 35/2 and normal lenses. I have read quite a bit and it seems you cannot tell whether or not a lens is radioactive without actually testing it. Some 50 1.4 Fd can be quite active, some not at all. The annual average dose in the US is usually about 300 millirems/year. Lenses can emit one millirem/hour or more, although it would be localized and not reach the...Show more →
Found this list of lenses...some of which are radioactive:
http://www.photo4u.it/viewtopic.php?p=1530804&sid=c5ec04985b78ebb71e494ca5efa4220f
Dec 21, 2010 at 05:33 PM
p.10 #11Beware Radioactive Lenses
Alf....
One of my old lenses glows in the dark and a cat that I had trained to keep it clean by licking the front element every other day has lost most of the hair on his tail.
could this be one of those radioactive lenses?
One of my old lenses glows in the dark and a cat that I had trained to keep it clean by licking the front element every other day has lost most of the hair on his tail.
could this be one of those radioactive lenses?
Dec 21, 2010 at 06:34 PM
p.10 #12Beware Radioactive Lenses
AhamB wrote:
Granite and some other forms of natural rock produce very much more radiation (because of difference in mass) around your body than these lenses do. Do you live around such rock formations? Geiger counters click fairly rapidly around boulders!Why would that be? I know about wood impregnated with heavy metals, and naturally occuring radon in rock/soil, but radioactive cinder blocks?
No idea. I had my science teach tell me that once. I've heard it several times after that. And when I got a geiger counter about 5 years ago I tested it to be true. It has to be actual cinder-block tho. There a few kinds of cement block that seem inert and don't make the counter pop more than usual.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-cinder-blocks.htm
Bifurcator wrote
Another factoid: There's hundreds of times more radiation coming from a cinder-block then there is these lens elements. Do you have cinder-blocks around your house? Geiger counters go nuts around cinder-block walls!Granite and some other forms of natural rock produce very much more radiation (because of difference in mass) around your body than these lenses do. Do you live around such rock formations? Geiger counters click fairly rapidly around boulders!
No idea. I had my science teach tell me that once. I've heard it several times after that. And when I got a geiger counter about 5 years ago I tested it to be true. It has to be actual cinder-block tho. There a few kinds of cement block that seem inert and don't make the counter pop more than usual.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-cinder-blocks.htm
Dec 23, 2010 at 05:01 AM
p.10 #13Beware Radioactive Lenses
r.gil wrote:
Alf....
One of my old lenses glows in the dark and a cat that I had trained to keep it clean by licking the front element every other day has lost most of the hair on his tail.
could this be one of those radioactive lenses?
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/demotivational-posters-trolling1.jpg
Alf....
One of my old lenses glows in the dark and a cat that I had trained to keep it clean by licking the front element every other day has lost most of the hair on his tail.
could this be one of those radioactive lenses?
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/demotivational-posters-trolling1.jpg
Dec 23, 2010 at 05:28 AM