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p.5 #1Beware Radioactive Lenses
millsart wrote:
Just have to say that I'm quite amazed and impressed with the level of knowledge FM'ers have as a whole regarding all things radiation based.
I've been going to back to school for nuclear medicine (don't think the outlook to continue being able to earn a living as a photographer is looking too good) and learned all this stuff, though no lens specific lessons lol, and I really thought the material wasn't so commonly known, but many here have proved otherwise.
Really is pretty interesting subject matter though isn't it ??
Cheers
The alt-forum is filled with engineers and technical folk. It seems a few of us have had radiation classes over the years, or have sufficient google-fu to look things up.
Good luck in your new career!
Just have to say that I'm quite amazed and impressed with the level of knowledge FM'ers have as a whole regarding all things radiation based.
I've been going to back to school for nuclear medicine (don't think the outlook to continue being able to earn a living as a photographer is looking too good) and learned all this stuff, though no lens specific lessons lol, and I really thought the material wasn't so commonly known, but many here have proved otherwise.
Really is pretty interesting subject matter though isn't it ??
Cheers
The alt-forum is filled with engineers and technical folk. It seems a few of us have had radiation classes over the years, or have sufficient google-fu to look things up.
Good luck in your new career!
Dec 18, 2010 at 12:43 PM
p.5 #2Beware Radioactive Lenses
U.C. wrote:
And what kind of food do you eat, or air do you inhale? Good luck with that....
Something tells me he isn't going to lock himself inside with the lenses...
runamuck wrote
I'm going to lock everything up in a lead-lined room for 200,000 years before I use it. Then I should be safe from any radiation.Something tells me he isn't going to lock himself inside with the lenses...
Dec 18, 2010 at 01:00 PM
p.5 #3Beware Radioactive Lenses
cogitech wrote:
And what kind of food do you eat, or air do you inhale? Good luck with that....Something tells me he isn't going to lock himself inside with the lenses...
I was referring to the natural radiation. Just listen to a GM counter without radio-active samples around it and it's clear that radiation is all around us.
U.C. wrote
runamuck wrote
I'm going to lock everything up in a lead-lined room for 200,000 years before I use it. Then I should be safe from any radiation.I was referring to the natural radiation. Just listen to a GM counter without radio-active samples around it and it's clear that radiation is all around us.
Dec 18, 2010 at 01:18 PM
p.5 #4Beware Radioactive Lenses
I had to write a 6 page thesis my first year in college on how Thorium could be a viable alternative to Uranium. I actually learned something. Although most of it is stuffed away in the back of my brain and mostly forgotten.
cogitech wrote:
I would have (ignorantly) translated this slightly differently, based on my limited knowledge of German. Funny how fick (ficken) can mean different things in the various Germanic languages.
It probably means "toast" in Danish.
ROFL...toast.
cogitech wrote:
kosmoskatten wrote
Haha, där fick du kompis!It probably means "toast" in Danish.
ROFL...toast.
Dec 18, 2010 at 01:41 PM
p.5 #5Beware Radioactive Lenses
I *have* to sit down and learn some Swedish at some point in my life, not too far from now. I understand so much, yet the comprehension still eludes me. I did pick up a Swedish-English dictionary last time I was in Sweden (I couldn't find a Swedish-Danish dictionary, for some reason). I feel handicapped.
Dec 18, 2010 at 02:07 PM
p.5 #6Beware Radioactive Lenses
carstenw wrote:
I *have* to sit down and learn some Swedish at some point in my life, not too far from now. I understand so much, yet the comprehension still eludes me. I did pick up a Swedish-English dictionary last time I was in Sweden (I couldn't find a Swedish-Danish dictionary, for some reason). I feel handicapped.
Swedish is actually in many ways closer to english than german. "Fick" is imperfect of "få", which is one of those words that can mean a lot of things, such as "get", "acquier", "receive", "may", "can", "have". A bad example if you want to understand swedish.
Swedish, danish and norwegian is almost the same language. They differ some in spelling, phrasing and pronunciation. I barely understand spoken danish (if it isn't slow and clearly spoken), but written is OK. Danes often understand swedish very well.
I *have* to sit down and learn some Swedish at some point in my life, not too far from now. I understand so much, yet the comprehension still eludes me. I did pick up a Swedish-English dictionary last time I was in Sweden (I couldn't find a Swedish-Danish dictionary, for some reason). I feel handicapped.
Swedish is actually in many ways closer to english than german. "Fick" is imperfect of "få", which is one of those words that can mean a lot of things, such as "get", "acquier", "receive", "may", "can", "have". A bad example if you want to understand swedish.
Swedish, danish and norwegian is almost the same language. They differ some in spelling, phrasing and pronunciation. I barely understand spoken danish (if it isn't slow and clearly spoken), but written is OK. Danes often understand swedish very well.
Dec 18, 2010 at 02:30 PM
p.5 #7Beware Radioactive Lenses
We do get a year or two of Swedish and Norwegian in school, but I am afraid that I wasn't so interested at the time, and kinda waltzed through it without retaining much. I can understand much written Swedish with an effort, but spoken Swedish is very hard for me. I would like to change that. We are cousins after all 
I have a few books in Swedish, and really just need to sit down with a dictionary and work my way through them, to get the basic vocabulary down. Then some practice to understand the spoken language. Icelandic and Finnish would be another level of effort though! I have a couple of Icelandic friends, and after going to a few Icelandic parties, I am beginning to get a slight ear for it, but boy is it different.
Why do you have Captain Haddock as your avatar, btw?
I have a few books in Swedish, and really just need to sit down with a dictionary and work my way through them, to get the basic vocabulary down. Then some practice to understand the spoken language. Icelandic and Finnish would be another level of effort though! I have a couple of Icelandic friends, and after going to a few Icelandic parties, I am beginning to get a slight ear for it, but boy is it different.Why do you have Captain Haddock as your avatar, btw?
Dec 18, 2010 at 02:50 PM
p.5 #8Beware Radioactive Lenses
Makten wrote:
Swedish is actually in many ways closer to english than german. "Fick" is imperfect of "få", which is one of those words that can mean a lot of things, such as "get", "acquier", "receive", "may", "can", "have". A bad example if you want to understand swedish.
Swedish, danish and norwegian is almost the same language. They differ some in spelling, phrasing and pronunciation. I barely understand spoken danish (if it isn't slow and clearly spoken), but written is OK. Danes often understand swedish very well.
Don't know about that
English is actually degenerated old-German with lots of latin vocabulary (both Romans and French occupied England) hence the latin influence in the language
AFAIK neither Swedish Norwegian nor Danish have much Latin in them
Swedish is actually in many ways closer to english than german. "Fick" is imperfect of "få", which is one of those words that can mean a lot of things, such as "get", "acquier", "receive", "may", "can", "have". A bad example if you want to understand swedish.
Swedish, danish and norwegian is almost the same language. They differ some in spelling, phrasing and pronunciation. I barely understand spoken danish (if it isn't slow and clearly spoken), but written is OK. Danes often understand swedish very well.
Don't know about that
English is actually degenerated old-German with lots of latin vocabulary (both Romans and French occupied England) hence the latin influence in the language
AFAIK neither Swedish Norwegian nor Danish have much Latin in them
Dec 18, 2010 at 03:03 PM
p.5 #9Beware Radioactive Lenses
Sorry for more OT, but languages are interesting.
carstenw wrote:
We do get a year or two of Swedish and Norwegian in school, but I am afraid that I wasn't so interested at the time, and kinda waltzed through it without retaining much. I can understand much written Swedish with an effort, but spoken Swedish is very hard for me. I would like to change that. We are cousins after all I have a few books in Swedish, and really just need to sit down with a dictionary and work my way through them, to get the basic vocabulary down. Then some practice to understand the spoken language. Icelandic...Show more →
When you run into trouble, try to "think in simple english", thus without roman words. While english has many roman words, swedish has many german words. But the "base" of swedish is still closer to english than german. Dutch is somewhere inbetween english, swedish and german.
Why do you have Captain Haddock as your avatar, btw?
Because Cpt. Haddock is one of my favourite characters. He's like me! He's "emotional" in everything he does. A bit of a loner too.
Haifisch M3 wrote:
Don't know about that
English is actually degenerated old-German with lots of latin vocabulary (both Romans and French occupied England) hence the latin influence in the language
If you strip english down to the simplest verbs, pronouns and such where latin is less common; then you will understand that the "base" of the language is very much more like swedish than german.
The problem is the loaned words from other languages, such as latin and greek.
Swedish: Vi är här
English: We are here
German: Wir sind hier
AFAIK neither Swedish Norwegian nor Danish have much Latin in them
They do. But not as much as in english.
carstenw wrote:
We do get a year or two of Swedish and Norwegian in school, but I am afraid that I wasn't so interested at the time, and kinda waltzed through it without retaining much. I can understand much written Swedish with an effort, but spoken Swedish is very hard for me. I would like to change that. We are cousins after all
I have a few books in Swedish, and really just need to sit down with a dictionary and work my way through them, to get the basic vocabulary down. Then some practice to understand the spoken language. Icelandic...Show more →When you run into trouble, try to "think in simple english", thus without roman words. While english has many roman words, swedish has many german words. But the "base" of swedish is still closer to english than german. Dutch is somewhere inbetween english, swedish and german.
Why do you have Captain Haddock as your avatar, btw?
Because Cpt. Haddock is one of my favourite characters. He's like me!
He's "emotional" in everything he does. A bit of a loner too.Haifisch M3 wrote:
Don't know about that
English is actually degenerated old-German with lots of latin vocabulary (both Romans and French occupied England) hence the latin influence in the language
If you strip english down to the simplest verbs, pronouns and such where latin is less common; then you will understand that the "base" of the language is very much more like swedish than german.
The problem is the loaned words from other languages, such as latin and greek.
Swedish: Vi är här
English: We are here
German: Wir sind hier
AFAIK neither Swedish Norwegian nor Danish have much Latin in them
They do. But not as much as in english.
Dec 18, 2010 at 03:10 PM
p.5 #10Beware Radioactive Lenses
Makten wrote:
If you strip english down to the simplest verbs, pronouns and such where latin is less common; then you will understand that the "base" of the language is very much more like swedish than german.
The problem is the loaned words from other languages, such as latin and greek.
Swedish: Vi är här
English: We are here
German: Wir sind hier
They do. But not as much as in english.
Deutsch_English
Mutter=mother
Vater=father
Maus=mouse (sounds the same)
Schwein=swine
Sau=sow (sounds the same)
schwimmen=swimming
Wagen=wagon
Hammer=hammer
rennen=running
once you know German, learning English is a piece of cake
If you strip english down to the simplest verbs, pronouns and such where latin is less common; then you will understand that the "base" of the language is very much more like swedish than german.
The problem is the loaned words from other languages, such as latin and greek.
Swedish: Vi är här
English: We are here
German: Wir sind hier
Earlier quote
AFAIK neither Swedish Norwegian nor Danish have much Latin in themDeutsch_English
Mutter=mother
Vater=father
Maus=mouse (sounds the same)
Schwein=swine
Sau=sow (sounds the same)
schwimmen=swimming
Wagen=wagon
Hammer=hammer
rennen=running
once you know German, learning English is a piece of cake
Dec 18, 2010 at 03:31 PM
p.5 #11Beware Radioactive Lenses
also=also
There are also (heh) lots of false similarities, so it is not as straight forward as it could be. Additionally, German is notoriously ambiguous in the relationships between people, but is very accurate in mathematical and scientific descriptions.
There are also (heh) lots of false similarities, so it is not as straight forward as it could be. Additionally, German is notoriously ambiguous in the relationships between people, but is very accurate in mathematical and scientific descriptions.
Dec 18, 2010 at 03:43 PM
p.5 #12Beware Radioactive Lenses
Makten wrote:
When you run into trouble, try to "think in simple english", thus without roman words. While english has many roman words, swedish has many german words. But the "base" of swedish is still closer to english than german. Dutch is somewhere inbetween english, swedish and german.
But I am Danish, not German!
When you run into trouble, try to "think in simple english", thus without roman words. While english has many roman words, swedish has many german words. But the "base" of swedish is still closer to english than german. Dutch is somewhere inbetween english, swedish and german.
But I am Danish, not German!
Dec 18, 2010 at 03:44 PM
p.5 #13Beware Radioactive Lenses
Haifisch M3 wrote:
Deutsch_English
Mutter=mother
Vater=father
Maus=mouse (sounds the same)
Schwein=swine
Sau=sow (sounds the same)
schwimmen=swimming
Wagen=wagon
Hammer=hammer
rennen=running
once you know German, learning English is a piece of cake
Well, all of those words are indoeuropeic and similar in sort of every language in europe except for Finland and Hungary!
carstenw wrote:
But I am Danish, not German!
Så hvorfor er det svort at forstå svensk?
Deutsch_English
Mutter=mother
Vater=father
Maus=mouse (sounds the same)
Schwein=swine
Sau=sow (sounds the same)
schwimmen=swimming
Wagen=wagon
Hammer=hammer
rennen=running
once you know German, learning English is a piece of cake
Well, all of those words are indoeuropeic and similar in sort of every language in europe except for Finland and Hungary!
carstenw wrote:
But I am Danish, not German!
Så hvorfor er det svort at forstå svensk?
Dec 18, 2010 at 03:58 PM
p.5 #14Beware Radioactive Lenses
carstenw wrote:
also=also
There are also (heh) lots of false similarities, so it is not as straight forward as it could be. Additionally, German is notoriously ambiguous in the relationships between people, but is very accurate in mathematical and scientific descriptions./
we have our priorities straight....
also=also
There are also (heh) lots of false similarities, so it is not as straight forward as it could be. Additionally, German is notoriously ambiguous in the relationships between people, but is very accurate in mathematical and scientific descriptions./
we have our priorities straight....
Dec 18, 2010 at 03:58 PM
p.5 #15Beware Radioactive Lenses
Makten wrote:
Så hvorfor er det svort at forstå svensk?
Det er det heller ikke altid Men når Luka skriver:
"Ordern är uppfattad och skall verkställas"
Så bliver jeg nødt til at slå det op, fordi jeg kender hverken "Ordern" (selv om jeg kunne gætte det) eller "verkställas". Der er mange ord der er ens på Dansk og Svensk, men også mange der er anderledes. Tycka, prata, og overhovedet Det vil sikkert ikke være så svært som det har været at lære Tysk (eller Fransk), men man skal stadig arbejde på det
carstenw wrote
But I am Danish, not German!Det er det heller ikke altid
Men når Luka skriver:"Ordern är uppfattad och skall verkställas"
Så bliver jeg nødt til at slå det op, fordi jeg kender hverken "Ordern" (selv om jeg kunne gætte det) eller "verkställas". Der er mange ord der er ens på Dansk og Svensk, men også mange der er anderledes. Tycka, prata, og overhovedet
Det vil sikkert ikke være så svært som det har været at lære Tysk (eller Fransk), men man skal stadig arbejde på det Dec 18, 2010 at 04:20 PM
p.5 #16Beware Radioactive Lenses
Haifisch M3 wrote:
There are also (heh) lots of false similarities, so it is not as straight forward as it could be. Additionally, German is notoriously ambiguous in the relationships between people, but is very accurate in mathematical and scientific descriptions.we have our priorities straight....
It works well for business and science, but then try to introduce your new girlfriend to a female acquaintance. Do it wrong and receive a slap for your troubles.
carstenw wrote
also=alsoThere are also (heh) lots of false similarities, so it is not as straight forward as it could be. Additionally, German is notoriously ambiguous in the relationships between people, but is very accurate in mathematical and scientific descriptions.
It works well for business and science, but then try to introduce your new girlfriend to a female acquaintance. Do it wrong and receive a slap for your troubles.
Dec 18, 2010 at 04:23 PM
p.5 #17Beware Radioactive Lenses
Haifisch M3 wrote:
English is actually degenerated old-German with lots of latin vocabulary (both Romans and French occupied England) hence the latin influence in the language
Eh hem. "degenerated"? Really, another word might be more appropriate than one that pejoratively casts aspersions (in almost every sense of the word).
Also this is over simplified if not inaccurate. At the time the Germanic Angles and the Saxons settlers in Britain there were several Germanic languages and dialects. English grew out of Old English which grew out of old West Germanic languages of the Angles and Saxons (not to be confused with East Germanic (Goths, Vandals, etc.) or North Germanic languages). "Old-German" is misleading (which old Germanic language?) if not incorrect because if you mean the precursor of what is now "Hoch-Deutsch" that is considered to emerge off a branch of the the West Germanic languages different from Anglo-Saxon and one that was already distinct in the Iron Age and before the Anglo-Saxons ever settled in Britain. Further, we can not ignore the significant influence on the language by North Germanic (Norse) peoples, who controlled significant portions of the Britain. The English words "leg", "gift". and "window", for example, are Norse in origin. Not sure that the Roman occupation of Britain had too much of an influence on Old English because it pre-dates Old English. (the Saxons essentially replacing the Romans), but there is certainly some overlap while they were fighting each other in the last century of Roman occupation. Mainly the "latin" influence comes from the French through the Norman conquest. Normandy, by the way, was full of Norse Viking's at the time (which is where it got its name). So the French became the aristocracy in Britain, and their language an important influence on English.
So, to make a very long story short, rather than English degenerating from Old German, it is perhaps more accurate and more appropriate to say that English developed and grew out a branch of the West Germanic languages spoke by the Saxons, Angles (and Frisians, for that matter) and broadly assimilated and adopted linguistic influences from the North German/Norse (Eastern and Western varieties) and French languages, not to mention the Celtic languages. In a very real way the language "grew" rather than "degenerated" from it's linguistic predecessor.
English is actually degenerated old-German with lots of latin vocabulary (both Romans and French occupied England) hence the latin influence in the language
Eh hem. "degenerated"? Really, another word might be more appropriate than one that pejoratively casts aspersions (in almost every sense of the word).
Also this is over simplified if not inaccurate. At the time the Germanic Angles and the Saxons settlers in Britain there were several Germanic languages and dialects. English grew out of Old English which grew out of old West Germanic languages of the Angles and Saxons (not to be confused with East Germanic (Goths, Vandals, etc.) or North Germanic languages). "Old-German" is misleading (which old Germanic language?) if not incorrect because if you mean the precursor of what is now "Hoch-Deutsch" that is considered to emerge off a branch of the the West Germanic languages different from Anglo-Saxon and one that was already distinct in the Iron Age and before the Anglo-Saxons ever settled in Britain. Further, we can not ignore the significant influence on the language by North Germanic (Norse) peoples, who controlled significant portions of the Britain. The English words "leg", "gift". and "window", for example, are Norse in origin. Not sure that the Roman occupation of Britain had too much of an influence on Old English because it pre-dates Old English. (the Saxons essentially replacing the Romans), but there is certainly some overlap while they were fighting each other in the last century of Roman occupation. Mainly the "latin" influence comes from the French through the Norman conquest. Normandy, by the way, was full of Norse Viking's at the time (which is where it got its name). So the French became the aristocracy in Britain, and their language an important influence on English.
So, to make a very long story short, rather than English degenerating from Old German, it is perhaps more accurate and more appropriate to say that English developed and grew out a branch of the West Germanic languages spoke by the Saxons, Angles (and Frisians, for that matter) and broadly assimilated and adopted linguistic influences from the North German/Norse (Eastern and Western varieties) and French languages, not to mention the Celtic languages. In a very real way the language "grew" rather than "degenerated" from it's linguistic predecessor.
Dec 18, 2010 at 04:32 PM
p.5 #18Beware Radioactive Lenses
Lotusm50 wrote:
Eh hem. "degenerated"? Really, another word might be more appropriate than one that pejoratively casts aspersions (in almost every sense of the word).
Also this is over simplified if not inaccurate. At the time the Germanic Angles and the Saxons settlers in Britain there were several Germanic languages and dialects. English grew out of Old English which grew out of old West Germanic languages of the Angles and Saxons (not to be confused with East Germanic (Goths, Vandals, etc.) or North Germanic languages). "Old-German" is misleading (which old Germanic language?) if not incorrect because if you mean the precursor of what...Show more →
the reason I say "degenerated" (no offence) is because I have read old english and the grammar/ conjugation is much more complex, similar to german. Later in time, the english language got simplified even though vocabulary-wise it got enriched by the use of both germanic and latin words. This simplification makes it much easier for a german to learn english than the other way around
Good point about the norse influence
Eh hem. "degenerated"? Really, another word might be more appropriate than one that pejoratively casts aspersions (in almost every sense of the word).
Also this is over simplified if not inaccurate. At the time the Germanic Angles and the Saxons settlers in Britain there were several Germanic languages and dialects. English grew out of Old English which grew out of old West Germanic languages of the Angles and Saxons (not to be confused with East Germanic (Goths, Vandals, etc.) or North Germanic languages). "Old-German" is misleading (which old Germanic language?) if not incorrect because if you mean the precursor of what...Show more →
the reason I say "degenerated" (no offence) is because I have read old english and the grammar/ conjugation is much more complex, similar to german. Later in time, the english language got simplified even though vocabulary-wise it got enriched by the use of both germanic and latin words. This simplification makes it much easier for a german to learn english than the other way around
Good point about the norse influence
Dec 18, 2010 at 04:54 PM
p.5 #19Beware Radioactive Lenses
Lotusm50 wrote:
So, to make a very long story short, rather than English degenerating from Old German, it is perhaps more accurate and more appropriate to say that English developed and grew out a branch of the West Germanic languages spoke by the Saxons, Angles (and Frisians, for that matter) and broadly assimilated and adopted linguistic influences from the North German/Norse (Eastern and Western varieties) and French languages, not to mention the Celtic languages. In a very real way the language "grew" rather than "degenerated" from it's linguistic predecessor.
this is the short version?
i would just have said evolved.
Edited on Dec 18, 2010 at 05:36 PM · View previous versions
So, to make a very long story short, rather than English degenerating from Old German, it is perhaps more accurate and more appropriate to say that English developed and grew out a branch of the West Germanic languages spoke by the Saxons, Angles (and Frisians, for that matter) and broadly assimilated and adopted linguistic influences from the North German/Norse (Eastern and Western varieties) and French languages, not to mention the Celtic languages. In a very real way the language "grew" rather than "degenerated" from it's linguistic predecessor.
this is the short version?
i would just have said evolved.
Edited on Dec 18, 2010 at 05:36 PM · View previous versions
Dec 18, 2010 at 05:12 PM
p.5 #20Beware Radioactive Lenses
Makten wrote:
Well, all of those words are indoeuropeic and similar in sort of every language in europe except for Finland and Hungary!
Ah, the Finno-Urgic tongues. But, don't forget Basque, either ;-)
Well, all of those words are indoeuropeic and similar in sort of every language in europe except for Finland and Hungary!
Ah, the Finno-Urgic tongues. But, don't forget Basque, either ;-)
Dec 18, 2010 at 05:30 PM