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p.98 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Wonderful portraits, Charles. That combo sure has something going for it. Beautiful model as well.

Cool abstract, Luka.



Nov 14, 2010 at 04:11 AM
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p.98 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thank you Mortyb I am sure my fiancee will appreciate the compliment




Nov 14, 2010 at 04:24 AM
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p.98 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Charles & Morten




Nov 14, 2010 at 06:35 AM
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p.98 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Really great train picture, Luka! One of a few I immediately could image hanging on a wall...


Nov 14, 2010 at 06:49 AM
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p.98 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Luka, look at how different that train shot is vs what you take with 5DMII and Zeiss. I too love it. The M9 seems to bring out the creativity more than DSLR.....and that goes for all regular posters in this thread

Charles, you must not be letting her see how great these portraits are otherwise she would be more willing . Great shots!



Nov 14, 2010 at 08:21 AM
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p.98 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Beautiful portraits, Charles

Very creative train shot Luka. Love it! This is one I wished I have shot and have on my wall.



Nov 14, 2010 at 08:46 AM
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p.98 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


And now for something completely different The difference between using autofocus on the x1, and zone focusing. This was a small reunion.. just some fun snaps with old friends returned from Japan, Seattle, etc. I like candid shots - even when it's with my friends. Certainly much different post content than the stunningly sharp landscapes we're seeing in here to be sure, I make no claims as to the merit, I figured I should at least contribute something after all my nattering on.






Nov 14, 2010 at 10:28 AM
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p.98 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


My fiance painted this backdrop for me, while her and her friend were at my studio today. We had extra time so we took some fun shots. I shot with the M9, worked out pretty well, but in a controlled environment I'm now a firm believer that the 5DII's sensor gives a much cleaner image.

This is a shot of her friend with the 28/2 Ultron @ 5.6, I went wide just to show off the background a little bit.








Nov 14, 2010 at 11:06 AM
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p.98 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Cute friend

Background looks great too.

How is it "cleaner"? resolution or noise wise?



Nov 14, 2010 at 01:08 PM
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p.98 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Ulff, Ryan and Joe!

Ryan, well, I've shot similar shots with Canon tele lenses but the difference is that with the help of optical stabilization I could get a perfect pan getting the moving subject 100% sharp and the background motion blurred in a completely linear fashion. However I actually think that the imperfect pan adds intensity to the shot and makes it more of a subjective experience rather than just a technical exercise. Generally speaking I agree with you that the M9 inspires different types of use compared to a DSLR.

Edward, nice candids. There is definitely value in photography that focuses on documenting true human interaction and emotions. Then the technical attributes of the photo are really secondary.

Adam, M9 base ISO is 160 while 5DII base ISO is ISO 100 so the M9 shots should be a bit more grainy.

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Here are two shots that I would probably not have taken with a DSLR:













My top wish for future digital M's is improved high ISO performance. The camera is just perfect for night street photography with high ISO performance being the limiting factor.




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p.98 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


I really like the first Luka.. I can see the benefit of a smaller machine for that sort of shot.

The second is compelling to my sense of symmetry.

My shots were just.. documentation of a nice evening with friends.. and as such I am happy with the outcome, although technically flawed - as you stated.

I don't believe ANY camera would have handled that light much better, well without moving up drastically in sensor size. and i wouldn't have been stalking around with a dslr in my friends' house!

High iso is definitely lacking in the m9.. but then there are many who don't mind noise. I actually added a small bit for a more even look in my shots.. cleaning them made them look sterile.. and the default noise wasn't pleasing.. so I went the other way ( I hardly ever add noise or grain and usually work hard to remove it).

Anyway, I appreciate your comment.. I know these are very casual shots for this thread, but maybe helpful for others considering the x1.



Nov 14, 2010 at 01:31 PM
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p.98 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Edward.

I didn't say that your shots were technically flawed. What I said was that with that type of documentary shots technical attributes were a secondary consideration. Having a noise free picture or an exact framing is not nearly as important as when you do for instance landscape photography.

In many ways technical imperfections can contribute positively to a picture. If you look at that first shot of mine you see a big reflection that cuts across the entire image and partially obscuring the subjects. It's strictly speaking a technical flaw in the image but at the same time it's one of the main points of it. That obscuring reflection gives a context to the image showing that this took place after dark in an urban environment.



Nov 14, 2010 at 01:43 PM
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p.98 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


No No Luka, you didn't say that, I know. I am sure I could have framed better, etc.

Yes that reflection is a part of your shot, it makes it not look like a product shot for coffee or similar It adds reality and life.



Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39 PM
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p.98 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


ulrikft2 wrote:
Cute friend

Background looks great too.

How is it "cleaner"? resolution or noise wise?



Noise wise, but as denoir just pointed out below, base iso for 5DII and M9 are different. So I suppose that's the reason why?!

I'll stick with the 5DII for studio (easier to use w/live view etc), but the M9 would make a good backup in a pinch. The sharp focus rate on the M9 in studio is quite high, I was surprised. I mean at 5.6 it's hard not to hit focus, but I am pretty sure on most of my shots the eyes were the actual focus point no matter what the aperture. Maybe one day I'll shoot a noct at f/1 (with my lights on minimal power) and see how well I do

Yes and the extra bit of MP seems to help a little.. Not as big as the P30+ / 5DII gap but enough to help out with cropping I suppose.


denoir - I'm thinking about getting the 50 1.5, I ordered the 50/2 zm BTW. My question was, is yours optimized for 2.8 as usual? And, how do you get sharp focus at 1.5 if that's the case? I think I read you slightly shift your lens when focusing?! How does that work for you? And are you thinking about getting it adjusted? Oh and do you have any wide open shots of people at near closest focusing distance that you'd like to share with the class?


Best,
Adam



Nov 14, 2010 at 02:54 PM
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p.98 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


h00ligan, nice candid pics. Beautiful moments captured. I like the range of expressions on the first one, this will be a memorable shot when you look back years from now.

Adam, nice portrait and nice background

Luka, beautiful B&W shot on the first shot. Love the tones on this one!



Nov 14, 2010 at 05:09 PM
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p.98 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ryan, thank you Nesha (the model) has this thing that she is not attractive, so I do have a tough time taking portraits of her.

Joe, thank you!

Edward, as Joe said nice candid pics. A lot of emotions captured and has lots of meaning. I think it is so important to have fun, and just take heaps of shots...AF and zone focusing. For me, the 28 FL on the M9, at f/5.6 or 8, definitely zone focus. The shots are alot more spontaneous. There is a place for all styles of shots

Adam, really nice shot of your fiancee! Tell her the background is great too

With respect to how clean the files, I am not convinced at low ISO's. I think it depends on your target for presentation. I have been so used of the style of 5DII files, I was expecting similar from the M9's DNG's. They are very different. Even though they don't look as clean on the screen, printing the files have amazing amount of detail and the noise doesn't to translate in the printing process. (I have 2 canon pro 9500II printer.) Also the files are very RAW in nature from the M9, so some noise reduction such as Noiseware Professional works really well with the DNG files, rather than Noise Ninja Pro, which seems to squash a lot of the detail.

Luka, excellent shots! Love the first shot as it has a real art house feel to it I really like colour rendering of #2.

My wish list is for high ISO M10, but in reality of having taken a lot of low light shots now, it has not been an issue. Yes, I am a high ISO junkie, if it is available I think the unusual characteristics of the M9's CCD sensor, will have a following for years to come as it is unique. In speaking the Wayne, head guru at Camera Clinic, he did mention the very initial RAW output from the CCD sensors looks horrid, and it is amazing the initial camera processing how draws the information from the CCD output. So it is fair to say, so called RAW outputs from camera sensors have a lot of algorithms applied to even present the so called RAW files.

I was revaluating my gear needs for travelling and on reflecting, I have not once picked up the 5DII for the last 4 months, since I acquired the M9. Why, I cannot explain other than the M9 is me. So much so, I will sell all the 5DII gear, maybe have a seond hand M9 body whilst travelling, or better still the NEX 5/7 with adapter for low light stuff. Really for travelling a light backup is needed. I well aware of everyone's differing opinions, and fully appreciate, why everyone is moving in droves to the Zeiss range of lenses with 5DII and Nikons. In the meantime, my 5DII is very quietly enjoying a break, and if I have no intention of using it for the next 6 months, it will depreciate very quickly before the next model is due.

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Nov 14, 2010 at 07:23 PM
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p.98 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks Joe and Charles. I'm approaching a point where it is time for me to start having more fun again, and just shoot. I appreciate the support as I recently lost my main models..heh (now ex gf and the dogs at the shelter - shit happens). After the m9 leica academy I'm taking a trip, that will open things back up for me.

On the upshot, it may have been the catalyst I needed to be a bit more generous with myself financially.



Nov 14, 2010 at 11:08 PM
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p.98 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Charles, when you say that you would use the NEX 5/7 for low light stuff, are you suggesting that the NEX is better than the Leica M9 for low light? Because, as you know, I am now finding my feet with a NEX 5, and low light performance is nowhere close to that of the 5D MKII. That doesn't faze me because that is not what I bought it for, but I am surprised at your comment and the inference on the M9.


Nov 15, 2010 at 12:10 AM
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p.98 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


charles.K wrote:
Adam, really nice shot of your fiancee! Tell her the background is great too

With respect to how clean the files, I am not convinced at low ISO's. I think it depends on your target for presentation. I have been so used of the style of 5DII files, I was expecting similar from the M9's DNG's. They are very different. Even though they don't look as clean on the screen, printing the files have amazing amount of detail and the noise doesn't to translate in the printing process. (I have 2 canon pro 9500II printer.) Also the files are
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Thanks Charles, it's actually my fiancee's friend. I've posted pictures of my fiance before, so I refrained from posting the same person over and over.
I usually shoot JPG with the M9, as RAW files are a real PITA to get the way I want them... That shot I just posted was straight out of camera JPG, I only cropped it as the shot was to wide, and the subject was a bit lost.

If you're thinking of selling off the 5DII I'd probably keep the ZE lenses as they'll hold value (unless Zeiss makes a AF version of the ZEs) and then just pickup the next Canon body when something comes along to your liking. Also you can use the ZE lenses on the Nex5 with an adapter, it looks funny but who cares

Joe88 - Thanks for the comments as well, I'll pass the BG comment onto my fiance, and hopefully it'll encourage her to paint me more BGs

Philber - I find that the NEX5 does really very well at iso 1600, you don't get as much detail as the M9 in general (even with good lenses) but the iso is really very usable for web. I've not done side by sides, but from what I remember looking at the files I shot with the NEX5 (without having to jump onto my work computer) it does better then the M9 at high isos.. And I think Charles is thinking that the newer not yet even announced NEX7 will probably give a much better iso 1600, which would definitely put it in 5DII territory.

h00ligan - It's a real shame about the dog/gf, you really should get out and shoot, take your mind off of things. Maybe rescue the dog and take him on a road trip with you!




Nov 15, 2010 at 12:34 AM
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p.98 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


philber wrote:
Charles, when you say that you would use the NEX 5/7 for low light stuff, are you suggesting that the NEX is better than the Leica M9 for low light? Because, as you know, I am now finding my feet with a NEX 5, and low light performance is nowhere close to that of the 5D MKII. That doesn't faze me because that is not what I bought it for, but I am surprised at your comment and the inference on the M9.


Philippe, the M9, the more I spend time with the system, the more I enjoy it, The reason for the NEX 5 is it would be a great light weight backup for travelling already having the M series lenses with me. The M9, IQ is quite amazing, different to the 5DII but I am now starting to understand the PP a lot better now. In low light the M9, with fast lenses and able to shoot lower shutter speeds, offsets a lot the disadvantages of lower ISO threshold.

Adam, yes I thought of keeping the ZE lenses, but if I am using lenses I prefer for now, I would rather move on the lenses I don't use for the next 6 months. In the past I found I kept Canon gear, thinking of keeping it as a backup, but then it ends up on ebay having depreciated considerably.

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