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p.129 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Thanks for your thoughts Daniel. The 28Cron is a beautiful lens and if that's your focal length, you won't regret it at all!




Dec 05, 2010 at 11:53 AM
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p.129 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Yes, Boris, you make total sense, and your quest seems AFAIK pretty much the same as Luka's. There seems to be no perfect answer, no small-size camera that offers good IQ, good shooting experience and good lens choices.
As of today, many here have gone the Leica way, and I have gone the Sony NEX way, because I am looking for a footprint which is much smaller yet than the M's. It will be interesting to see if a NEX can deliver IQ anywhere close to Leica's (yes, I know, heresy!)or if Sony releases a NEX FF. Until such a day, the quest for the "perfect second system" continues...
Oh, and your two shots look great, Boris. You are giving me lens envy...



Dec 05, 2010 at 11:56 AM
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Looks good Boris! Between this and what Luka and Dan have posted with the 18, I think I'll have to add it to my acquisition list.

Regarding the question of DSLR shooters coming to the M and not fully understanding the difference in the system - that may be but from my point of view I fully embrace the different philosophies. Where the M9 is wearing a bit thin on my patience is in an area that is totally irrelevant to whether it's a rangefinder or DSLR - its electronic guts. It's simply too slow. The RAW buffer is too small and it takes too long to clear. When working in fluid environments where many things are changing or happening, it is insanely frustrating for me to be waiting for the buffer while watching moments come and go. It also takes way too long to wake from sleep. In this respect I feel the M9 is technologically about 10 years behind what I'm used to with my 1D Mark IV. It's more like a D30 (not 30D).

Today I used both together for the first time on a mini-shoot and overall I think it worked well, other than my frustration with the M's buffer. I used the M for wide and the IV for 50mm and longer.

ZM 35 f/2.8 (not from today):








Dec 05, 2010 at 11:58 AM
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p.129 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Bijltje wrote:
A 5D with 2 or 3 lenses can also be fitted in a shoulder bag and are good to take along. There is not that much difference in size and weight. My M8 with 18/3.8 SE, UV/IR filter and 18/24 finder is just as high and heavy as my canon slr with 24/2.8.


For that one combination you are almost right, but in general, although the weight is only slightly smaller for the body, most M lenses are much lighter, and the kit is much, much smaller. I went down two bagsizes when I sold my 5D and picked up an M8. I generally walk around with a body and three lenses, so I am comparing fairly here.

I agree with the rest of your comments.



Dec 05, 2010 at 12:48 PM
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Ron, I wouldn't say 10 years, but yes, the M9 is slower than I prefer. One of a short list of reasons I prefer to keep my M8 and wait for the M10. The list is something like: traces of IR sensitivity, slow speed, no chrome version, still the thicker (and taller) body (compared to MP, M6), no LV (not a deal breaker for me, but another minor point), mediocre high ISO, somewhat low battery life, slightly flatter colours and lower sharpness compared to M8u (I am not sure that the sharpness is curable, since it might just be FF vs. 1.33x crop), loud shutter (should be like my M8u), unless I am forgetting something. I would also love dynamically changing single, lens-appropriate framelines, for example via mirrored-in LCD frames. This should not really be much more complex than the M9 Titanium, I think.

This makes the M9 sound like a failure in my mind, which I don't intend. Fantastic camera, but as an upgrade from an M8u, I don't find it compelling.

[EDIT: add a higher resolution screen as well.]

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Dec 05, 2010 at 01:24 PM
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The reason d'etre of the M9 is that it's a compact full frame camera. From my point of view and my preferences, if I had to get a crop camera, the M8 would be last on the list - especially with its 10 megapixel sensor. I'd get an NEX or something like that instead.

From what I've seen so far there seem to be two different types of people that are attracted to the M9. One are people like me who want a compact full frame camera and a good selection of lenses and the other type are Leica aficionados who really like rangefinders and Leica M lenses. The M8 and M8u IMO only make any sense to the second type of users.

Well, not quite true. There is a third category - people who are potentially interested in an M9/M10/MWhatever but don't want to spend a pile of money before they are certain that they can live with the limitations of a rangefinder camera. I personally think it's not the best approach as you will not get a good idea of what an M9 is(and much less a future M10) by using a 10 megapixel crop camera. But to each his own I suppose. There is one trend at least here in this thread and that is that M8 users tend not to use their cameras and either go back to using DSLRs or getting an M9.

Carsten, since you are not using your M8u at all despite you being fond of Leica I would guess you would find an upgrade to an M9 much better than you think. I'm not a Leica aficionado and yet it is my DSLR that is unused these days. You on the other hand, despite your praise of the M8u, are using a DSLR much more. If we disregard any cost considerations the explanation must be the difference between the two cameras.

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Charles, great beach shots! Did you by any chance develop any of them in C1 or are they all ACR?

Joe & Joakim, nice street shots!

Boris - nice, really classic Zeiss rendering.

Ron, nice shot. Interesting comments as well. I have been positively surprised by the speed of the M9 because I was expecting something much worse. Objectively however, compared to a modern DSLR it is painfully slow. I'm not bothered by buffer limitations but improvements in the image preview functions would certainly be welcome. My own priority list for an M9.2 or M10 would be:

1. Live view
2. Improved high ISO performance
3. Improved screen resolution and image preview function
4. Electronically coupled rangefinder
5. Better handling of RAW files (lens corrections should not be applied to the RAW file itself, better DNG profile etc)
6. Faster software & electronics.



Dec 05, 2010 at 02:00 PM
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p.129 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


denoir wrote:
Carsten, since you are not using your M8u at all despite you being fond of Leica I would guess you would find an upgrade to an M9 much better than you think. I'm not a Leica aficionado and yet it is my DSLR that is unused these days. You on the other hand, despite your praise of the M8u, are using a DSLR much more. If we disregard any cost considerations the explanation must be the difference between the two cameras.


Well, I don't think so. I have had the M8 for a very long time, the longest of any camera I have owned, apart from a Hasselblad 500C (which I wasn't using at all, and which I recently gave to my cousin), so I know it inside out. I still use primarily the M8 when travelling, but not when I am doing art photography/personal projects. The DSLR is better suited for this. I am not travelling a lot at the moment, so I rarely use it. It is still the best camera I have for that purpose, as long as space and weight are at a premium. I used it when I visited a friend in Marseille in August, for example. I just don't post my travel photos here very often.

The second part is just that the D3 is much newer, and therefore currently more exciting. I suspect that by the time I tire a bit of the D3, the M10 will be out, and it will flip again. Ultimately I am planning on keeping both systems.

I find the M8 much more interesting that any other crop camera, and would never trade it for anything like the NEX. The 1.33x crop is part of this reason, the rest is just consideration of the camera and what I use it for. I would only use a NEX in the same manner as a DSLR, and don't see the point for my uses. I can carry my D3, 3 lenses, and a monopod or tripod without problems for much of a day.

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Dec 05, 2010 at 02:19 PM
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denoir wrote:
The reason d'etre of the M9 is that it's a compact full frame camera. From my point of view and my preferences, if I had to get a crop camera, the M8 would be last on the list - especially with its 10 megapixel sensor. I'd get an NEX or something like that instead.

From what I've seen so far there seem to be two different types of people that are attracted to the M9. One are people like me who want a compact full frame camera and a good selection of lenses and the other type are Leica aficionados who
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Luka, do you think, that the IQ of the M9 is much better than the IQ of the M8? I would really like to have a FF camera but mainly for more wide angle choices. Maybe I should just buy a NEX in addition to my M8 and use both cameras for some time and then keep the one that I like more. It should be pretty easy to sell a M8 or NEX without a significant loss.

By the way my priority list for the M9.2 or M10 would be the same as yours.

Boris



Dec 05, 2010 at 02:19 PM
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p.129 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


From my admittedly somewhat limited use of the M9, I find it around 1 stop better in the high ISO, and otherwise generally comparable to the M8, just with more megapixels. I find the colours and sharpness of the M8 slightly better overall, but this may simply be due to the fact that it just uses the centre of the lenses.

I suspect, but cannot substantiate, that the M8 with coded lenses and appropriate IR filters, has less IR sensitivity than the M9. I see slight colour shifts in M9 shots from time to time which remind me of the M8's performance without filters, while being much less severe.

The M9's primary draw continues to be the full frame sensor (and its non-requirement of IR filters on the lenses).

I doubt that the M10 will have a CMOS sensor, and thus live view. I don't know where Leica would source a full frame CMOS sensor. Besides, Kodak continues to be their sensor manufacturer, and Leica generally maintains long-term relationships with other companies. Live view also doesn't really solve any problems for traditional M users, just for DSLR refugees, and Leica is very traditional. Of course, I could be wrong. I would be happy to have live view too, although even on my D3, I don't really use it.



Dec 05, 2010 at 02:23 PM
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p.129 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


What about the Kodak Interline CCD with electronic shutter, for the M10?
http://www.kodak.com/global/plugins/acrobat/en/business/ISS/productsummary/Interline/KAI-29050ProductSummary.pdf



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carstenw wrote:
I still use primarily the M8 when travelling, but not when I am doing art photography/personal projects. The DSLR is better suited for this.


I'm curious - why? If you are not using live view, don't find the low pixel count limiting and prefer Leica glass, what benefits can a DSLR offer? Are you using very long lenses or doing a lot of macro photography?


The second part is just that the D3 is much newer, and therefore currently more exciting. I suspect that by the time I tire a bit of the D3, the M10 will be out, and it will flip again. Ultimately I am planning on keeping both systems.


Yes, it's a possible explanation but only for a limited time period. At some point you probably converge on mostly using the system that works best for your style of photography. The D3 may be much newer, but you've had it for at least a couple of months now, right?

carstenw wrote:
I doubt that the M10 will have a CMOS sensor, and thus live view. I don't know where Leica would source a full frame CMOS sensor. Besides, Kodak continues to be their sensor manufacturer, and Leica generally maintains long-term relationships with other companies. Live view also doesn't really solve any problems for traditional M users, just for DSLR refugees, and Leica is very traditional. Of course, I could be wrong. I would be happy to have live view too, although even on my D3, I don't really use it.


You should not underestimate the DSLR refugees. They are for the most part responsible for the Leica boom. The last issue of LFI had an interview with Alfred Schopf (Leica's chairman) where he stated that within the first nine months they had sold more cameras than they expected to for the whole product cycle of the M9. That's thanks to DSLR users who want a compact FF camera. The problem with that for Leica (and Schopf almost stated as much) is that suddenly they have to compete with higher performance and quality requirements - something that they were not ready for. Leica fans can be extremely tolerant of the shortcomings of the system, the quality control, repair times etc while the new user base is not at all tolerant. Schopf stated that currently the Leica quality control and service was way below the needed level and that they were working hard on improving it to meet the higher demands.

So they seem to understand the situation and the developing market. I doubt they are blind to the nearly universal requests for a CMOS sensor (i.e Live view). The hardcore original Leica users may not care but all the romanticism apart Leica is a business and can't afford not to adapt to the market. Their Summarit line of lenses and the other cameras (X1, D-Lux etc) show that they are adapting.

As for a source for a CMOS sensor, well, the same as for the X1, I suppose.


Bobu wrote:
Luka, do you think, that the IQ of the M9 is much better than the IQ of the M8? I would really like to have a FF camera but mainly for more wide angle choices. Maybe I should just buy a NEX in addition to my M8 and use both cameras for some time and then keep the one that I like more. It should be pretty easy to sell a M8 or NEX without a significant loss.


Boris, I have very limited experience of the M8 beyond what I've read and DNG samples that I've seen. First of all it's got more pixels. So for a given framing you'll get more detail. Second, it does high ISO better and supposedly has better dynamic range. Finally you don't have the IR leakage problem.

Trying the NEX side by side might be a good idea. Had I not been set on an FF camera that should in a pinch be able to substitute my 5DII I would have probably sold my X1 and bought a NEX. I generally feel that the M9 is worth it exactly because it is a compact FF camera. The only one in fact. If I was to choose a compact crop camera there would have been a lot more choices and it's likely that I would have chosen a NEX in the end. Now after using and getting used to the M9, an M8 would have been more appealing than it originally was as I've come to appreciate how the camera feels to use. In the end I would have probably chosen the live view, screen size/quality and pixel count of the NEX.



Dec 05, 2010 at 03:00 PM
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denoir wrote:
I'm curious - why? If you are not using live view, don't find the low pixel count limiting and prefer Leica glass, what benefits can a DSLR offer? Are you using very long lenses or doing a lot of macro photography?


A 100% optical TTL viewfinder is the main reason. High ISO is another. I don't do much macro at all, almost none, but I routinely go closer than 75cm, especially with my 21 Distagon, for some reason. I don't currently have anything longer than 100mm for my D3, other than my 70-300VR, but I might add a 180 or 200 f/2.8 (or f/2!) in the future. I do much of my non-M work on a tripod, or at least a monopod.


Yes, it's a possible explanation but only for a limited time period. At some point you probably converge on mostly using the system that works best for your style of photography. The D3 may be much newer, but you've had it for at least a couple of months now, right?

I have had it since March, but don't have so much time to photograph, so it still feels new to me. Each has its own strengths. For the kind of local photography I do, the DSLR is my preferred tool. In fact, the Kodak SLR/n beats out the D3 for some things. For travelling and events, I prefer the M8, except when I need the high ISO of the D3.


You should not underestimate the DSLR refugees. They are for the most part responsible for the Leica boom.

I am not sure where the justification for the second sentence comes from, but I agree with the first one. I am not underestimating the demand for the M9 from such people, but I don't think that Leica will cater to them with the M line of cameras.


The hardcore original Leica users may not care but all the romanticism apart Leica is a business and can't afford not to adapt to the market.

Mmm, I mildly disagree. To some extent, I think that Leica is more comfortable catering to the smaller, more traditional part of their market. There is an attempt to adjust to more modern requirements, but I don't think that Leica will make a decision which compromises their traditional appeal.


Their Summarit line of lenses and the other cameras (X1, D-Lux etc) show that they are adapting.

The X1, D-Lux, V-Lux and so on are a (successful) attempt to stay alive. The Summarit line of lenses was initiated by Stephen K. Lee, I believe, and I don't think that Leica will make another. Lenses like the 24/3.8 will continue to be made, but not the Summarit budget Leica approach. It is Leica's traditional approach to offer a generalist Cron version, and a high budget Lux version, or Elmarit/Cron for very wide/long. I don't see much reason to continue developing Summarits. The M9 is so expensive that a Summarit lens seems anachronistic.


As for a source for a CMOS sensor, well, the same as for the X1, I suppose.

The X1 isn't anywhere near full frame. I am not aware of any FF sensors on the open market. The closest is the Sony sensor, which is also sold to Nikon. I don't think there are others, and I don't think that Leica could buy that Sony sensor, nor would they want to. At Leica's volumes, they need a small specialist, or a lot of goodwill on the part of a supplier. I also think you underestimate the Japanese reluctance to supply core technologies to non-Japanese companies.



Dec 05, 2010 at 03:27 PM
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p.129 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


2 pics from today with the M9 35CronIV. No, the 2nd shot is not contemporary art.













This is part of what I described in LUF:

"Camera was working fine this morning (see 1st pic) and all of a sudden the LCD lost backlight and the 2nd pic appeared on the screen."

Guess I'll be without the M9 for X'Mas. I'll contact Leica tomorrow



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carstenw wrote:
I have had it since March, but don't have so much time to photograph, so it still feels new to me. Each has its own strengths. For the kind of local photography I do, the DSLR is my preferred tool. In fact, the Kodak SLR/n beats out the D3 for some things. For travelling and events, I prefer the M8, except when I need the high ISO of the D3.


Incidentally, I've had my 5DII since March as well, but as I have been photographing like a maniac since, it feels quite old Well, I've had a 7D for over a year and the 5DII is not all that different (worse camera, better sensor).




I am not sure where the justification for the second sentence comes from, but I agree with the first one. I am not underestimating the demand for the M9 from such people, but I don't think that Leica will cater to them with the M line of cameras.


My justification comes from the Schopf interview. If you subscribe to LFI, I recommend reading it. (I got a free subscription with my M9 in case you are wondering what I'm doing with a Leica fan magazine). The interview is quite interesting and shows that Leica today is far from the Leica of the Leica fan folklore. He states among other things that M novices are responsible for the lens shortage.



Mmm, I mildly disagree. To some extent, I think that Leica is more comfortable catering to the smaller, more traditional part of their market. There is an attempt to adjust to more modern requirements, but I don't think that Leica will make a decision which compromises their traditional appeal.


I think that's partially true but also to a large extent just Leica folklore. Leica like other traditional companies (like Zeiss) have shown themselves more than willing to sell out the brand to meet even temporary market demands. This is nothing new. How many special editions of the M6 were there? 20? 30? Not to mention their cooperation with Panasonic where they slap on their brand on simple point and shoot cameras.



The X1, D-Lux, V-Lux and so on are a (successful) attempt to stay alive. The Summarit line of lenses was initiated by Stephen K. Lee, I believe, and I don't think that Leica will make another. Lenses like the 24/3.8 will continue to be made, but not the Summarit budget Leica approach. It is Leica's traditional approach to offer a generalist Cron version, and a high budget Lux version, or Elmarit/Cron for very wide/long. I don't see much reason to continue developing Summarits. The M9 is so expensive that a Summarit lens seems anachronistic.


I'm not so sure about that. Precisely because the M9 is so expensive, people blow their budget on the camera and can't afford the higher end lenses. The only bad thing about the Summarit lenses are that their build quality isn't quite as good as the regular lenses. Optically they are very good and the price makes them competitive with Zeiss lenses. So for a person that has spent his or her budget on the camera they definitely make sense as a Zeiss alternative for people that prefer Leica rendering. Finally, AFIK more or less all of the S2 lenses are Summarits, so I doubt they are going to vanish any time soon.


As for a source for a CMOS sensor, well, the same as for the X1, I suppose.
The X1 isn't anywhere near full frame. I am not aware of any FF sensors on the open market. The closest is the Sony sensor, which is also sold to Nikon. I don't think there are others, and I don't think that Leica could buy that Sony sensor, nor would they want to. At Leica's volumes, they need a small specialist, or a lot of goodwill on the part of a supplier. I also think you underestimate the Japanese reluctance to supply core technologies to
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Possible. I don't know. We can only speculate what will happen in 3-5 years which is probably when we can expect an M10. I'm hoping that by then we'll have more compact FF cameras to choose from by then. I also hope that Leica, Hasselblad, Pentax et al will realize that a medium format camera of 30+ megapixels is completely pointless without live view.

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Dec 05, 2010 at 03:56 PM
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p.129 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread


Ugh, sorry about your M9 Joe


Dec 05, 2010 at 03:58 PM
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Carsten, on top of what you mention regarding Leica getting a Sony sensor, Sony is a Zeiss partner, whereas Leica is a Panasonic partner. There is a serious issue of loyalty here, not something a Japanese company takes lightly.


Dec 05, 2010 at 04:01 PM
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My justification comes from the Schopf interview. If you subscribe to LFI, I recommend reading it. (I got a free subscription with my M9 in case you are wondering what I'm doing with a Leica fan magazine). The interview is quite interesting and shows that Leica today is far from the Leica of the Leica fan folklore. He states among other things that M novices are responsible for the lens shortage.

Yes, but he doesn't say that these M novices are all (previous) DSLR owners. I have issues of LFI as old as 2/1956 (no I am not that old), and buy it every month. I have read the interview (in German, however).


Leica like other traditional companies (like Zeiss) have shown themselves more than willing to sell out the brand to meet even temporary market demands. This is nothing new. How many special editions of the M6 were there? 20? 30? Not to mention their cooperation with Panasonic where they slap on their brand on simple point and shoot cameras.

Well, dressing the M-whatever in fancy leather is quite different than changing its functionality to cater to a subsection of its customers, however large that subsection may be. The special editions is a Leica tradition and dates back many years (decades).

Zeiss has in a sense sold out on a far larger scale than Leica. They don't even make the vast majority of their own DSLR/M lenses any more, and even let companies like Nokia use the Zeiss brand, for cellphones, no less. I consider this going too far, to be honest, although that doesn't stop me from enjoying my ZF/ZF.2 lenses.


I'm not so sure about that. Precisely because the M9 is so expensive, people blow their budget on the camera and can't afford the higher end lenses.

I would think that this is a very small section of the Leica M9 owners, but I suppose we can't know. Keep in mind that as expensive a camera as the M9 is, it is very cheap by general hobbyist standards. Have you ever priced out even a cheap car?


Finally, AFIK more or less all of the S2 lenses are Summarits, so I doubt they are going to vanish any time soon.

Okay, now you are splitting hairs I meant the M Summarits. Summarit simply means f/2.5 at this point, so wherever such an aperture makes sense, there will be one. I mean Summarit M lenses, in the sense of a secondary or even tertiary line of lenses with price as the primary motivational factor (compared to normal M lenses) in the design, and a slightly lower mechanical standard. f/2.5 is quite an accomplishment in medium format.


Possible. I don't know. We can only speculate what will happen in 3-5 years which is probably when we can expect an M10. I'm hoping that by then we'll have more compact FF cameras to choose from by then. I also hope that Leica, Hasselblad, Pentax et al will realize that a medium format camera of 30+ megapixels is completely pointless without live view.

I am guessing that you are right in that there will be more FF cameras to choose from in 3+ years. I am less sure about the rest. Both Leica and MF companies have quite a different way of thinking, and this may last as long as they survive.

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so so sorry to hear about your M9 Joe


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philber wrote:
Carsten, on top of what you mention regarding Leica getting a Sony sensor, Sony is a Zeiss partner, whereas Leica is a Panasonic partner. There is a serious issue of loyalty here, not something a Japanese company takes lightly.


Very true, and something I missed.



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Sorry to hear about your M9, Joe. I hope it returns quickly.


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