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p.1055 #1Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Chris, I am comparatively new in this thread so I will be very succinct in my opinion here. Reading your post I have this to say..
Weight, ease of focus using the EVF especially in low light, grip on camera, price, ability to use nearly any lens all go in favor of sony A series. With the concerns on eye sight and tremors, the weight, the grip and the excellent EVF should be counted with some due weightage.
For me the major problem was that indoors the sony a7 just would not create the glow that my M8 gave me. Then the m240 offered many more things on top I needed like better ISO and nearly no lag shutter but otherwise sony A series cameras do offer a lot for the price and other things.
Dec 21, 2014 at 04:09 PM
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p.1055 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Thank You jfreak, I appreciate sharing your opinion. I must admit, kind of 'knowing' by specs and my needs, that the A7II makes excellent sense. But from what I've seen, my heart goes out to the Leica M240s and those Leica M's. Sigh, we humans always want what we cannot have lol But practicality usually wins out...sigh.

And yet, I will admit, judging from the A7/Leica images I've seen on that thread, they achieve to me, say 80-90%? of the 'magic' from the M series/M images I've seen here. (Simply beautiful) Though, it is hard sometimes to put a tangible rating to a very subjective/personal feeling evoked from art like photography/art/bonsai (my other artsy hobby) lol
Dec 21, 2014 at 06:14 PM
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p.1055 #3Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Something a bit different....







35cron asph

Dec 21, 2014 at 07:26 PM
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p.1055 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
@Chrislee

Roger, I think, the Lens Rental guy, made a very interesting post about the Leica MM.
http://www.lensrentals.com/rent/leica/cameras/leica-m-monochrom

He also has vision issues, but loves the MM regardless, because the shots he does get really please him.

The Leica M with lenses attached have identical focus throws for all modern lenses. At f/8 you don't have to use the viewfinder at all. or you can use it for framing only. Because it's all optical with mild mag, it's very easy on the eyes.

Of course you will miss some shots, but you may get some truly priceless to you, and have some fun with a great kit. With a tremor and vision issues I would lean wide, 35 to 18, but that's where the M kit shines anyway.

I think the A7 series holds only one advantage: auto focus with native glass. The FE 35 is nice. The 55 sharp but a bit meh to me.

But once you get used to a focus tab on the M series you can just feel where you are distance wise. Many street shooters don't use the patch, in general.

@ jfreak: very nice portrait
@ CVickery excellent interiors


L1025681 by unoh7, 50 Cron WO

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Dec 21, 2014 at 07:28 PM
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p.1055 #5Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
The "Alien" mannequin! Found this one while out and about in Asheville the other night.





Leica M-E, Leica Summilux-M 35mm ASPH. (f1.4, 1/125, ISO 640)

Dec 21, 2014 at 07:34 PM
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p.1055 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
zhangyue wrote:
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To put it simple, my brain don't want it, but my heart love it. I kind of expected what I will get, what is the limitation of the system. And it turns out exact as I expected, it is shining for what it can do and suck for what it can't. Browse Leica Ad video you almost think it is an action camera, but compare to D810, it is laughable at most. AF is loud and sloppy. AF-on button I use all the time can only AF-s no AF-C. (you do have slow AF_C for shutter and center only focus
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Congratulation Michael for getting the S2!

I also have had a S2 (35/70/120) set for a while and I really feel that IQ and lens performance of S2 really sets apart from Nikon D810 (and Sony A7r) by a good margin. The S2 AF system is very rudimentary but it is very accurate. It is more accurate than Nikon D700/D800 system that I had (Nikon did improve the AF system on the D810). While the shutter mechanism is not as quiet and smooth as the Nikon D810's, I didn't encounter any problems when I use it handheld.



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My mother's birthday photo (82 years old)

Dec 21, 2014 at 08:16 PM
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p.1055 #7Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
rscheffler wrote:
Very interesting Michael!

When I met with Joe, I only briefly used his S2 and two lenses. We were at a diner late at night and I shot it ISO 160 at 1/60 wide open and just pushed the files in post (~3 stops), as I kind of would do with the M9, and it looked really great. No banding, just some chroma noise that cleaned up easily. It kind of makes me wonder if Leica could have put the same underlying processes in place for an M9.2...? But I guess the M240 makes more sense in many ways.

I agree the
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Fantastic sets Ron and everyone!

I totally agree about the lenses. They are really designed for perfection, not unlike the latest M glass. However, I can only see the value of the S system as a DSLR FF alternative with Leica glass and Leica colors, but I do find the medium format appellation a bit exaggerated. I am not sure how much of the medium format look is achieved with a sensor that is only 1.25X linearly larger than FF, while the difference with APS-C (from FF) is 1.5X and with film medium format 1.7X (645) and 2X (67). This said, I think the results are gorgeous and even as a very slightly larger than FF DSLR, it would be a great alternative to Canon, Nikon, Sony options.

PS: I would really like to see some comparisons between the S with Leica glass, and the D810 with Otus glass. I think it would be really interesting.
Dec 21, 2014 at 10:21 PM
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p.1055 #8Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Biltmore Estate, Asheville, North Carolina






Leica M-E, Leica Summilux-M 35mm ASPH. (f1.4, 1/1500, ISO 160)

Dec 21, 2014 at 10:29 PM
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p.1055 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
CVickery, nice set, like those tonality.
pandorf, that looks sharp


ocean2059 wrote:
zhangyue wrote...

To put it simple, my brain don't want it, but my heart love it. I kind of expected what I will get, what is the limitation of the system. And it turns out exact as I expected, it is shining for what it can do and suck for what it can't. Browse Leica Ad video you almost think it is an action camera, but compare to D810, it is laughable at most. AF is loud and sloppy. AF-on button I use all the time can only AF-s no AF-C. (you do have slow AF_C for shutter and center only focus make it almost useless to me, unless I am f4 above and have ample light)

Do I think make sense to get this over D810, absolutely not at least from IQ wise. But do I love the system, and will I keep the unit? another absolutely. but there is reason for this. I will try to cover it late.

I spend a hour before work to test two lens and system with tripod and handhold shooting infinity. My impression is the lens sick good. But to get sharp result to deserve the system, Tripod please. Handhold at 1/250 with 70mm, I still can see the blur zoom 100% at infinity. This makes me worried about usability of system. D810 has no such an issue. I have to add D810 is really an engineer wonder in terms of piratical usability, AF is super fast and accurate, quiet. the mirror damp so nicely that I can get decent result at 2/F. Infinity sharpness is tough test for any system handhold, and Nikon did much better than Leica S. But I should not blame Leica given they have much bigger mirror to move and they don't have deep experience Nikon have.

But after use it in portrait range handhold, I find worry is gone, for portraits that I do and love, micro contrast is not much an issue to me, the system has much better damp than Haselblad 500 I had before, the image is sharp enough for me even hand hold at 2/F. (1/30 for 70mm) and both lens perform superb at close range. There are virtually no CA or any aberration at close range, Bokeh is extreme smooth, with huge viewfinder, shooting manual is blessed.

Now why I love it and choose it over D810 if I have to: I have to say the system is novel, and leica is really smart to make it DSLR like operation and shape with best of best lens selection. the view finder is almost 100%,(not really but feel so) I can shoot both eye open with 70mm lens. The lens have the best MF feeling I had from any AF lens, because of lack of aberration, and equivalent f2 DOF in FF, shooting manual is a dream. The file is like super charged M9 with more push pull capability, even more tolerant for exposure error. and I love its color even I can improve myself further with more time on it.

I don't feel the system is for anyone. I sold my D700, and I miss it so much. But I get myself a super charged D700 now It do everything I ask D700 to do but with more, the lens is better, the view finder is better, file is better or at least same for portrait. In hand, S2 feel so great. This is best manual focus body and portrait camera I have ever used. This reason is good enough for me to keep the system. No matter what others say or think, Document family every day life is what I love to do and the reason I am into photography. My best work are always my family pictures. I bought Leica R lens for them, now I even bought Leica S2 for them. Insane? I know. but it is worth every penny to me

Ron, I am aim 125 for next lens. but do 100cron look great
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Congratulation Michael for getting the S2!

I also have had a S2 (35/70/120) set for a while and I really feel that IQ and lens performance of S2 really sets apart from Nikon D810 (and Sony A7r) by a good margin. The S2 AF system is very rudimentary but it is very accurate. It is more accurate than Nikon D700/D800 system that I had (Nikon did improve the AF system on the D810). While the shutter mechanism is not as quiet and smooth as the Nikon D810's, I didn't encounter any problems when I use it handheld.


Thanks I agree with lens performance. But from what I see, D810 with a good lens like 85G or zeiss 135, Otus can give Leica S serious run for IQ with more DR.

Handhold problem might come from shutter design or location, somehow, I just need push harder to fire. I will get myself use to it and report back later. So far, the blur at 100% is a lot more visible than D810 I have.
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rscheffler wroteVery interesting Michael!

When I met with Joe, I only briefly used his S2 and two lenses. We were at a diner late at night and I shot it ISO 160 at 1/60 wide open and just pushed the files in post (~3 stops), as I kind of would do with the M9, and it looked really great. No banding, just some chroma noise that cleaned up easily. It kind of makes me wonder if Leica could have put the same underlying processes in place for an M9.2...? But I guess the M240 makes more sense in many ways.

I agree the lenses look spectacular. I see a lot of the drawing I like about Leica glass in them... the family 'heritage' of modern Leica glass. In the same respect, they can be too good/clean.
Fantastic sets Ron and everyone!

I totally agree about the lenses. They are really designed for perfection, not unlike the latest M glass. However, I can only see the value of the S system as a DSLR FF alternative with Leica glass and Leica colors, but I do find the medium format appellation a bit exaggerated. I am not sure how much of the medium format look is achieved with a sensor that is only 1.25X linearly larger than FF, while the difference with APS-C (from FF) is 1.5X and with film medium format 1.7X (645) and 2X (67). This said,
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Edward, I agree with you about sensor size and IQ. This is a APS-C of 645. Otus will be a stop fast and at least as good as these S glass. I think the new Leica S cron come faster that might from pressure of serious competition from OTUS.

From my post above, you can see I am pretty sane about what I get, and what I expect from system. The system definitely has huge potential and a lot of room to improve I feel.

But as you said, the system is for people love SLR who want go further. I am a niche user that prefer OVF and manual focus. Hence buying into system and will accept its weakness. AF can be very handy and I already start enjoying it during today out

Funny you brought out OTUS. The searching of this system is start from build up my DSLR kit, I am looking at Zeiss 135, 55OTUS and 85OTUS, then I realize they are huge, heavy and expensive. If I go that routine, why not go here at about same price with bigger sensor and also can AF for longer distance in need. There are no Nikon lens meet my requirement for both AF and MF. There is another problem is focus direction, I can't be tolerant with having both way with M and DSLR, it will be disaster to me.

I have to say I much prefer Leica S2 color for portrait to D810, it is indeed feel special. My favorite Nikon still be D700 so far. no Nikon body offer better color to that IMO, S2 is different but I'd say at least as good. General speaking, I have no problem with landscape, or portrait with lots of white light, but under other condition, problem show up and very hard to tweak to my like.

Reliability will be a big concern for the system, but that is consequence of loving Leica. I will accept that

The system as I said is not for brain but heart. Sorry for the rant and typo if any. Hope it helps for anyone interesting in the system.

I will not overload here with family picture anymore. Since we are at S and I will post another two samples.

35f2.5 WO





70f2.5






Dec 22, 2014 at 12:30 AM
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p.1055 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Cal, nice sets and I particularly like some of the interiors. I think you would benefit from using the M240 Shadows Lightroom plugin, assuming you use Lightroom. It will get rid of the nasty green shadow shift that becomes apparent from 'pushed' files.

I will catch up on other comments, but wanted to post some shots from Sunday... Sorry, but I'm going to image spam here, in a single post rather than spreading it out...

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p.1055 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
uhoh7 wrote:
@Chrislee

Roger, I think, the Lens Rental guy, made a very interesting post about the Leica MM.
http://www.lensrentals.com/rent/leica/cameras/leica-m-monochrom

He also has vision issues, but loves the MM regardless, because the shots he does get really please him.

The Leica M with lenses attached have identical focus throws for all modern lenses. At f/8 you don't have to use the viewfinder at all. or you can use it for framing only. Because it's all optical with mild mag, it's very easy on the eyes.

Of course you will miss some shots, but you may get some truly priceless to you, and have some fun with
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I totally agree with that gentleman Uhoh7. And, that would be great if I wanted to shoot at f8 all the time, but many of my favorite pics here have been shot wide open. I've decided to go to a camera store here and check out a M8 and compare it to the Sony; nothing to loose.
Thanks for letting me interrupt the beautiful images, now back to lurking
Chris

Dec 22, 2014 at 08:54 AM
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p.1055 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Cheerleaders and Leica - what a combo! You did real well with the color balance and capturing the excitement. The Colts really didn't stand a chance in that game...
Dec 22, 2014 at 09:12 AM
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p.1055 #13Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Thanks Gary. Yeah, unfortunately it was so lopsided, but I needed to get good images of the Cowboys more than the Colts, so that was OK. I wonder how much the Colts really tried, considering they already made the playoffs...? Here in Dallas some people are already talking Super Bowl.
Dec 22, 2014 at 09:45 AM
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p.1055 #14Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Ron - Cool shots.. Love the POP these photos have.

zhangyue - NICE


Some from the same day I shot all the other jpg files. These are camera JPG files that have been converted to black and white from the M240 and 50 Summilux-asph:














































Dec 22, 2014 at 10:19 AM
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p.1055 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Very nice Adam! I especially like the last two... Were these in-camera B&W JPG's?
Dec 22, 2014 at 10:55 AM
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p.1055 #16Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Ron, SI quality stuffs. you captured atmosphere
Adam, Super nice. My next purchase will be M240.(S2 will cover my CCD lust) will see how soon I can get my hand on one
Chris, Ask the question here, you certainly will expect bias view here But I can tell you A7R and A7 didn't work for me but M9 have been with me more than 3 year. I return A7R and sold A7. Leica M can be great tool for shooting WO and fast. only not for minimal focus distance. EVF works for many people but not others. Though I don't feel IQ is main concern here between A and M but operation and personal preference.

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Dec 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM
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p.1055 #17Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Gary Clennan wrote:
Very nice Adam! I especially like the last two... Were these in-camera B&W JPG's?


Thanks Gary. No these were color jpg files (smooth film mode). I converted in LR to black and white.
Dec 22, 2014 at 12:30 PM
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p.1055 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
zhangyue - Would love to see how closely you can get an M240 to match the M9 look you have going. But for now, we can enjoy your S2 images
Dec 22, 2014 at 12:34 PM
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p.1055 #19Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Here is a pic from an incredible library located in the Strahov Monastery in Prague. One of those places you just look around in amazement.... The 35cron really shines for photo's requiring a high level of detail.






35cron asph

Dec 22, 2014 at 07:25 PM
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p.1055 #20Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Very impressive Gary
Adam, #1 my fav
@ Ron OMG, that had to be very exciting shooting!!!

one from the fall:

Sparkling Fall by unoh7, ZM 18
Dec 22, 2014 at 09:01 PM


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