Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
p.1054 #2Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Congrats Michael. i guessed 50 lux, but it looked more 240ish than M9 so I was totally fooled. I also really enjoyed your cron shots 
@jhulton. Very nice shot, hope you post up some more
@ Allen, cool bag. I have wotancraft brown ryker coming I'm excited about, but it might be too gucci for the streets
L1025682 by unoh7, 50 cron WO
dark and stormy today, fantastic skiing
L1025687 by unoh7, 50 cron
L1025717 by unoh7, CV 90
L1025723 by unoh7, on Flickr
L1025732 by unoh7, 28 cron WO
L1025738 by unoh7, 28 cron WO
@jhulton. Very nice shot, hope you post up some more
@ Allen, cool bag. I have wotancraft brown ryker coming I'm excited about, but it might be too gucci for the streets
L1025682 by unoh7, 50 cron WO
dark and stormy today, fantastic skiing
L1025687 by unoh7, 50 cron
L1025717 by unoh7, CV 90
L1025723 by unoh7, on Flickr
L1025732 by unoh7, 28 cron WO
L1025738 by unoh7, 28 cron WO
Dec 20, 2014 at 06:50 PM
p.1054 #3Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Great images guys! I got an email from Joe yesterday... Sounds like he's really busy with work.
Michael, looking forward to your insight. I believe Joe has the same lens set. You should definitely get the 100 Cron.
Michael, looking forward to your insight. I believe Joe has the same lens set. You should definitely get the 100 Cron.
Dec 20, 2014 at 07:57 PM
p.1054 #4Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
My take on this is that if I still wanted to shoot DSLR I would go the S system way. However I've been spoiled by the M and even sometimes I find my M240 too heavy. I'm mostly preferring light weight set ups these days. This said I had earlier this year the opportunity to get a used S2 and a couple of lenses for an unbelievable price, and I was very impressed when I tried it, but I knew if I don't go back to shooting professionally I would never carry this beast out of the house
Dec 20, 2014 at 09:08 PM
p.1054 #6Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Edward - I hear you. Tried to run around with two 1Dx systems after shooting a wedding with three M240s (two on me and one in the bag ready) and I was tired and annoyed. I then tried with two 5D3 cameras, and still preferred the weight of the M240s. It's hard to go back once you've used something smaller. Although I used the A7 cameras, I never really liked them in my hand, so I think the M240 is a good balance for me.
On the flip side. I do enjoy the idea of a bigger sensor (how big I'd want is still unclear). And for the last little while have been considering buying the 645z just to see how I like the IQ. You all know my dislike of Sony, so I'm weary that the 645z will give me the colors I want. But who knows, as zhangyue did a great job tricking us into believing the colors of the S2 were from the M9
On the flip side. I do enjoy the idea of a bigger sensor (how big I'd want is still unclear). And for the last little while have been considering buying the 645z just to see how I like the IQ. You all know my dislike of Sony, so I'm weary that the 645z will give me the colors I want. But who knows, as zhangyue did a great job tricking us into believing the colors of the S2 were from the M9
Dec 20, 2014 at 11:42 PM
p.1054 #8Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Edward, Ron, I agree about the size, it is huge. especially the lens. But not much for body compare to DSLR I use.
Adam, I have the system include today is two days. I am still getting myself use to the system. Do I love them so far, you bet.
To put it simple, my brain don't want it, but my heart love it. I kind of expected what I will get, what is the limitation of the system. And it turns out exact as I expected, it is shining for what it can do and suck for what it can't. Browse Leica Ad video you almost think it is an action camera, but compare to D810, it is laughable at most. AF is loud and sloppy. AF-on button I use all the time can only AF-s no AF-C. (you do have slow AF_C for shutter and center only focus make it almost useless to me, unless I am f4 above and have ample light)
Do I think make sense to get this over D810, absolutely not at least from IQ wise. But do I love the system, and will I keep the unit? another absolutely. but there is reason for this. I will try to cover it late.
I spend a hour before work to test two lens and system with tripod and handhold shooting infinity. My impression is the lens sick good. But to get sharp result to deserve the system, Tripod please. Handhold at 1/250 with 70mm, I still can see the blur zoom 100% at infinity. This makes me worried about usability of system. D810 has no such an issue. I have to add D810 is really an engineer wonder in terms of piratical usability, AF is super fast and accurate, quiet. the mirror damp so nicely that I can get decent result at 2/F. Infinity sharpness is tough test for any system handhold, and Nikon did much better than Leica S. But I should not blame Leica given they have much bigger mirror to move and they don't have deep experience Nikon have.
But after use it in portrait range handhold, I find worry is gone, for portraits that I do and love, micro contrast is not much an issue to me, the system has much better damp than Haselblad 500 I had before, the image is sharp enough for me even hand hold at 2/F. (1/30 for 70mm) and both lens perform superb at close range. There are virtually no CA or any aberration at close range, Bokeh is extreme smooth, with huge viewfinder, shooting manual is blessed.
Now why I love it and choose it over D810 if I have to: I have to say the system is novel, and leica is really smart to make it DSLR like operation and shape with best of best lens selection. the view finder is almost 100%,(not really but feel so) I can shoot both eye open with 70mm lens. The lens have the best MF feeling I had from any AF lens, because of lack of aberration, and equivalent f2 DOF in FF, shooting manual is a dream. The file is like super charged M9 with more push pull capability, even more tolerant for exposure error. and I love its color even I can improve myself further with more time on it.
I don't feel the system is for anyone. I sold my D700, and I miss it so much. But I get myself a super charged D700 now It do everything I ask D700 to do but with more, the lens is better, the view finder is better, file is better or at least same for portrait. In hand, S2 feel so great. This is best manual focus body and portrait camera I have ever used. This reason is good enough for me to keep the system. No matter what others say or think, Document family every day life is what I love to do and the reason I am into photography. My best work are always my family pictures. I bought Leica R lens for them, now I even bought Leica S2 for them. Insane? I know. but it is worth every penny to me
Ron, I am aim 125 for next lens. but do 100cron look great
Here are a few samples
35f2.5
70f2.5
Adam, I have the system include today is two days. I am still getting myself use to the system. Do I love them so far, you bet.
To put it simple, my brain don't want it, but my heart love it. I kind of expected what I will get, what is the limitation of the system. And it turns out exact as I expected, it is shining for what it can do and suck for what it can't. Browse Leica Ad video you almost think it is an action camera, but compare to D810, it is laughable at most. AF is loud and sloppy. AF-on button I use all the time can only AF-s no AF-C. (you do have slow AF_C for shutter and center only focus make it almost useless to me, unless I am f4 above and have ample light)
Do I think make sense to get this over D810, absolutely not at least from IQ wise. But do I love the system, and will I keep the unit? another absolutely. but there is reason for this. I will try to cover it late.
I spend a hour before work to test two lens and system with tripod and handhold shooting infinity. My impression is the lens sick good. But to get sharp result to deserve the system, Tripod please. Handhold at 1/250 with 70mm, I still can see the blur zoom 100% at infinity. This makes me worried about usability of system. D810 has no such an issue. I have to add D810 is really an engineer wonder in terms of piratical usability, AF is super fast and accurate, quiet. the mirror damp so nicely that I can get decent result at 2/F. Infinity sharpness is tough test for any system handhold, and Nikon did much better than Leica S. But I should not blame Leica given they have much bigger mirror to move and they don't have deep experience Nikon have.
But after use it in portrait range handhold, I find worry is gone, for portraits that I do and love, micro contrast is not much an issue to me, the system has much better damp than Haselblad 500 I had before, the image is sharp enough for me even hand hold at 2/F. (1/30 for 70mm) and both lens perform superb at close range. There are virtually no CA or any aberration at close range, Bokeh is extreme smooth, with huge viewfinder, shooting manual is blessed.
Now why I love it and choose it over D810 if I have to: I have to say the system is novel, and leica is really smart to make it DSLR like operation and shape with best of best lens selection. the view finder is almost 100%,(not really but feel so) I can shoot both eye open with 70mm lens. The lens have the best MF feeling I had from any AF lens, because of lack of aberration, and equivalent f2 DOF in FF, shooting manual is a dream. The file is like super charged M9 with more push pull capability, even more tolerant for exposure error. and I love its color even I can improve myself further with more time on it.
I don't feel the system is for anyone. I sold my D700, and I miss it so much. But I get myself a super charged D700 now
It do everything I ask D700 to do but with more, the lens is better, the view finder is better, file is better or at least same for portrait. In hand, S2 feel so great. This is best manual focus body and portrait camera I have ever used. This reason is good enough for me to keep the system. No matter what others say or think, Document family every day life is what I love to do and the reason I am into photography. My best work are always my family pictures. I bought Leica R lens for them, now I even bought Leica S2 for them. Insane? I know. but it is worth every penny to me Ron, I am aim 125 for next lens. but do 100cron look great
Here are a few samples
35f2.5
70f2.5
Dec 21, 2014 at 01:39 AM
p.1054 #9Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Michael, very interesting to hear your thoughts and reasoning about the S2 system.
Dec 21, 2014 at 06:10 AM
p.1054 #10Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
zhangyue - Interesting.. I'd do the same for family pictures! You're off to a good start.
What ISO did you shoot these on?
What ISO did you shoot these on?
Dec 21, 2014 at 08:26 AM
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p.1054 #11Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
adamdewilde wrote:
zhangyue - Interesting.. I'd do the same for family pictures! You're off to a good start.
What ISO did you shoot these on?
Iso320, but 640 will be close as well. I add lots vignettes and noise grain in PP.the file is too smooth at iso320 view at this size so I bump them
I will give more detail of +|- of system. I think I know it already. Don't get me wrong, it certainly an awesome landscape camera and AF at long distance can be very handy. But I mainly cover why I choose it over D810 for my use. And I will try to get some nice landscapes later during holiday. I can't wait bring them to some nice locationDec 21, 2014 at 10:56 AM
p.1054 #12Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Very interesting Michael!
When I met with Joe, I only briefly used his S2 and two lenses. We were at a diner late at night and I shot it ISO 160 at 1/60 wide open and just pushed the files in post (~3 stops), as I kind of would do with the M9, and it looked really great. No banding, just some chroma noise that cleaned up easily. It kind of makes me wonder if Leica could have put the same underlying processes in place for an M9.2...? But I guess the M240 makes more sense in many ways.
I agree the lenses look spectacular. I see a lot of the drawing I like about Leica glass in them... the family 'heritage' of modern Leica glass. In the same respect, they can be too good/clean.
Here's another advantage over Nikon: the focus is in the right way, but I guess this doesn't matter if you've Leitaxed R lenses to the D810...
Elements of Halloween in NYC...
M240 & 21 Lux (some cropped a bit) zone focused wide open, so some are a bit off... but OK at 1000px.
When I met with Joe, I only briefly used his S2 and two lenses. We were at a diner late at night and I shot it ISO 160 at 1/60 wide open and just pushed the files in post (~3 stops), as I kind of would do with the M9, and it looked really great. No banding, just some chroma noise that cleaned up easily. It kind of makes me wonder if Leica could have put the same underlying processes in place for an M9.2...? But I guess the M240 makes more sense in many ways.
I agree the lenses look spectacular. I see a lot of the drawing I like about Leica glass in them... the family 'heritage' of modern Leica glass. In the same respect, they can be too good/clean.
Here's another advantage over Nikon: the focus is in the right way, but I guess this doesn't matter if you've Leitaxed R lenses to the D810...
Elements of Halloween in NYC...
M240 & 21 Lux (some cropped a bit) zone focused wide open, so some are a bit off... but OK at 1000px.
Dec 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM
p.1054 #13Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Ron - what a funny set. I love Halloween for all the different characters running around in the dark. The M240 + 21lux would be just perfect for such shots.
Dec 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM
p.1054 #14Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
zhangyue - Thanks.
Ron - Yes, agree with Gary. The 21lux is a good lens for people capturing on halloween. I was in LA for halloween and I drove down one of the busy streets. 99% of the people were in less clothing then I'd be in at the beach. So it was kinda weirdly scandalous with the odd storm trooper tossed into the mix.
Did I ever post shots from my NZ trip? I can't recall what I've posted, and I can't check as I've changed severs a while back, and can't check.
Ron - Yes, agree with Gary. The 21lux is a good lens for people capturing on halloween. I was in LA for halloween and I drove down one of the busy streets. 99% of the people were in less clothing then I'd be in at the beach. So it was kinda weirdly scandalous with the odd storm trooper tossed into the mix.
Did I ever post shots from my NZ trip? I can't recall what I've posted, and I can't check as I've changed severs a while back, and can't check.
Dec 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM
p.1054 #15Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
I had the opportunity to spend a couple of hours yesterday at a local 'pioneer' village. The light was particularly interesting indoors and I struggled to capture it
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Dec 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM
p.1054 #18Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
Really nice indoor shots CVickery
Great stuff Ron, Zhangyue, Glenn
Great stuff Ron, Zhangyue, Glenn
Dec 21, 2014 at 02:01 PM
p.1054 #19Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
m240 with 50lux ISO 1600, 1/25 at f2 I think. Longing for MM....
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Dec 21, 2014 at 02:21 PM
p.1054 #20Leica M/X/T/S/Q/CL/SL Picture Thread
I hope you all don't mind me asking a kinda general question? I've been considering getting the new Sony A7II from my old 5D, I have a couple L lenses, and a Leica R 90mm APO (and 28mm PC Super Angulon that I'm selling after xmas as I've ended up barely using it). Plus, I've not been shooting in general recently due to having a hard time focusing (worsening vision and hand tremors) Even worse, I've not used the 90mm Leica much at all too due to the 5Ds terrible focusing in low light added to my crap vision. So I want to 'reinvigorate' my photography. I got both these lenses btw from Kit Laughlin in '06 who I spoke to regarding selling that 28mm. But he's the one who mentioned the Sony that would be good esp. considering my vision and tremor problem.
But "unfortunately" ;-)...I've looked thru many images in the Sony Alpha 7 thread, as well as images thru this Leica thread. Despite me being really impressed with those 7/7S/7R's using Leica lenses (like the Summicron 50mm and the 35mm which I found more to compare too), I can't help but still like most images here using the same lenses. Am I mistaken there's this big a difference in these images over the Sony 7's?...or is it just me? hehe I'm not looking to offend anyone, I'm just so 'taken' with so many images on this thread. And since I don't buy new gear very often I'd like to make the best decision for me. The Sony seems more 'adaptable', but even with Leica lenses, to me, it doesn't equal images from this M series. But even if I found a used one I could afford, I'm concerned I don't have the skills/body to allow me to fully appreciate the M experience.
Sorry for the length, and again, I hope it's ok to ask this question here.
Thanks
Chris
But "unfortunately" ;-)...I've looked thru many images in the Sony Alpha 7 thread, as well as images thru this Leica thread. Despite me being really impressed with those 7/7S/7R's using Leica lenses (like the Summicron 50mm and the 35mm which I found more to compare too), I can't help but still like most images here using the same lenses. Am I mistaken there's this big a difference in these images over the Sony 7's?...or is it just me? hehe I'm not looking to offend anyone, I'm just so 'taken' with so many images on this thread. And since I don't buy new gear very often I'd like to make the best decision for me. The Sony seems more 'adaptable', but even with Leica lenses, to me, it doesn't equal images from this M series. But even if I found a used one I could afford, I'm concerned I don't have the skills/body to allow me to fully appreciate the M experience.
Sorry for the length, and again, I hope it's ok to ask this question here.
Thanks
Chris
Dec 21, 2014 at 03:47 PM