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p.9 #1 · Leica R Series Lenses


This lens is one lens that I'd like to buy back....


Jun 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM
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Paul,

I did a quick search and the first thing I found was a thread regarding you purchasing one. If you don't mind me asking, why did you sell yours?



Jun 15, 2010 at 02:03 PM
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Shaun,
Just be aware that if you want an Apo-R 180/2.8 that accepts a 1.4 apo extender, you have to find one that has been factory modified or one with a serial number above 3986434.
Most of them out there will not accept the apo 1.4 extender. They all accept a 2X extender.
Optically, I believe that all of the Apo 180/2.8's are the same. With the 1.4 extender, you have a cracking 252mm.
I'm looking for one too, so lets not bid against each other - OK? :-)
Scott

PS: Actually, I'm not sure which is the correct serial # to go by for the ones that will accept the 1.4 extender. In one place I have serial # 3897978 and up written down...and in another place I have serial # 3986434 - 3986583 (model 11 357) written down.

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Jun 15, 2010 at 04:37 PM
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I still have my R 180/2.8 and it works great with the APO 2x extender at 360mm.
Its a sweet lens, already very sharp at f2.8, only increasing a bit in sharpness at f4, with nice bokeh at portrait distances. The focus ring doesn't have much resistance and is buttery smooth. I always have to check to make sure the focus ring hasn't gotten bumped/moved when I am using it on a tripod for landscape. With the extender it is my short rig for wildlife shooting, when I don't feel like carrying my 500L.



Jun 15, 2010 at 06:33 PM
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shaunmlavery wrote:
Paul,

I did a quick search and the first thing I found was a thread regarding you purchasing one. If you don't mind me asking, why did you sell yours?



I sold it to finance my current converted Contax N lenses....
Plus, I felt that y eyes weren't getting any better for manual focusing...

Apo 180/2.8, however, is pretty easy to manual focus than some other MF lenses...
It's pretty light too...
I do want to try the lens again for sure....



Jun 15, 2010 at 07:37 PM
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Another OT question. If you are building a 2 piece travel kit. Will you choose the 80's Wetzlar designed Elmarit 28/2.8 + 90/2.8 or the 70's Midlands designed Summicron 35/2 + 90/2 ? I am refering to the last version of each of these lenses. The former combo seems to give sharp image wide open while the latter needs to stop down. All are optimum at f5.6. Of course, the Summicrons have an extra stop. Weight-wise, about the same with the Summicrons maybe 100g heavier.


Jun 16, 2010 at 05:22 PM
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ManWearPants wrote:
Another OT question. If you are building a 2 piece travel kit. Will you choose the 80's Wetzlar designed Elmarit 28/2.8 + 90/2.8 or the 70's Midlands designed Summicron 35/2 + 90/2 ? I am refering to the last version of each of these lenses. The former combo seems to give sharp image wide open while the latter needs to stop down. All are optimum at f5.6. Of course, the Summicrons have an extra stop. Weight-wise, about the same with the Summicrons maybe 100g heavier.


If I did not have my Leica 100 macro, I would do your 90/2 cron for the long end, but I would want the 24/2.8 for the wide end. I think it is better reputed overall, plus you pick up those crucial extra 4mm. Adorama has had a couple of the most recent versions of the 24 recently. Don't know if they are still there.

Jim



Jun 16, 2010 at 08:20 PM
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Grenache wrote:
If I did not have my Leica 100 macro, I would do your 90/2 cron for the long end, but I would want the 24/2.8 for the wide end. I think it is better reputed overall, plus you pick up those crucial extra 4mm. Adorama has had a couple of the most recent versions of the 24 recently. Don't know if they are still there.

Jim


The R 24 is a nice lens (not as nice as the current R 28 E55) but the R 24 won't allow infinity on FF bodies, it hits the mirror on a 1dsmk2. I have no idea how the R 24 compares to the old R 28. I some times use The R 24 on a crop body, such as 40D, but that is kind of pointless (you might as well use a wider lens on a FF body instead).

JJ



Jun 16, 2010 at 08:45 PM
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Grenache wrote:
If I did not have my Leica 100 macro, I would do your 90/2 cron for the long end, but I would want the 24/2.8 for the wide end. I think it is better reputed overall, plus you pick up those crucial extra 4mm. Adorama has had a couple of the most recent versions of the 24 recently. Don't know if they are still there.

Jim


JohnJ wrote:
The R 24 is a nice lens (not as nice as the current R 28 E55) but the R 24 won't allow infinity on FF bodies, it hits the mirror on a 1dsmk2. I have no idea how the R 24 compares to the old R 28. I some times use The R 24 on a crop body, such as 40D, but that is kind of pointless (you might as well use a wider lens on a FF body instead).

JJ


Not considering the 24mm as it won't clear on my 5D. FoV aside, I would think there is a difference between the drawing characteristics of the 2 Elmarits and the 2 Summicrons with the latter being more painterly wide open. The 2 Elmarits are sharper

Sorry for regurgitating the below lenses literature. It appears that the Summicrons have performance that excel in portraiture while the Elmarits may be more useful as general purpose lenses. What are your comments on this?

Elmarit 28:
The current R-28 has been introduced in 1994 and is a more advanced design. It has a floating element to improve close distance performance and also to assist the overall level of correction. Its level of performance is very close to that of the 1993 version of the M-28. At full aperture it is about equal to the M-version and almost two stops ahead of the previous R-28. .At 1:2.8 high overall contrast is combined with a crisp definition of very fine detail over most of the picture area (image height 16mm). In the field the fine textural structures are rendered with soft edges. In the corners coarse detail is blurred but detectable. At 1:4 the performance in the field improves and at 1:5.6 the on axis performance (image height 9mm) sets a new standard and surpasses even the M-28. As with the M-version we note a high correction of the oblique sagittal rays, which does improve the rendition of fine gradations in tiny object areas. Close up performance has been improved too and now the full aperture can be used at 1 meter without reservation. This is an outstanding lens, that in some areas even surpasses the M-version, which lacks the mechanically complex floating-element construction.

Summicron 35:
The fourth Midland version with seven elements delivers a medium contrast image and much improved quality at full aperture, specifically in the field as field curvature is corrected to a higher degree. Overall contrast is higher than in the previous version, but the corners are still very soft. Coma is less visible in the middle of the image area, but the lens shows a tendency to flare in the outer zones, where one can detect coma spots around bright small points of light Fine detail is recorded with soft edges, becoming quite fuzzy in the outer zones. At 1:2.8 rendition of fine detail becomes quite crisp till image height 18mm, abruptly becoming very soft in the corners. At 1:4 very fine detail is detectible over most of the picture area, excepting the corners and at 1:5.6 this level of detail recording is visible. Stopping down further brings more edge sharpness to this level of detail and at 1:11 we have a medium contrast coupled to a good definition of textural structures, which can stand bigger enlargements.

Vignetting is high with 2.5 stops and distortion is not visible. This version however is often referred to as a bo -ke champion. Compared to the predecessors it is an excellent design and its compactness has its own advantages. Optically however it is limited by the principles of the DG-design


Elmarit 90:
In 1980 the Wetzlar designers recomputed the 2.8/90 for the R again and created the best 2.8/90mm ever in the Leica history (R and M)......

At full aperture, overall contrast is high and very fine detail is crisply rendered with only a faint trace of colour fringing and astigmatism over the whole picture area. The previous R-version has lower contrast and softer edge definition and needs to be stopped down to 4 to get comparable performance. At 1:4 the contrast improves visibly and at 1:5.6 we reach outstanding image quality with extremely fine detail recorded with high edge sharpness and good clarity over most of the image field. The edges are slightly softer, but this will be visible only when one needs exacting coverage of small details in the corners at bigger enlargements. After this aperture contrast and edge definition drop due to diffraction. Close-up performance is as good as at infinity. Vignetting is low with half a stop, and distortion just visible. Flare suppression is excellent as coma (among others) is well controlled. As the 4 element lens has no cemented surfaces, Absorban can not be used to control colour transmission and it has to be accomplished with several types of coating layers.

Summicron 90:
(note: this is refering to the pre-APO version. There is a later 1998 90/2AA but that will fall into a diff price and performance category)

This lens for the R-system arrived in 1970 on the market and has not been changed during its long production life of more than 25 years. It is closely related to, but not identical to the Summicron-M, third version, introduced for the M-line in 1980. It is a 5 element design from Midland origin....

At full aperture contrast is low to medium, with coarser detail recorded with fuzzy edges. Performance is quite even from centre to the outer zones,, dropping in the far corners. Flare is somewhat less well suppressed. Stopped down to 2.8, image quality improves markedly and from aperture 4 there is a gradual improvement till 5.6, where an excellent quality is attained. Vignetting is more pronounced with one and a half stop and distortion too is visible. We see here the careful adjustments and compromises when designing lenses for several camera systems. The R-lens had better performance at the closer distance range, on the assumption that the R-system would be more frequently used in that range.

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Jun 16, 2010 at 10:43 PM
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p.9 #10 · Leica R Series Lenses


Whoa, a list like that may finally push me to sell the 85L II. I love my R glass and it never gets used now. I need more.

Scott, I'll keep you updated if I make a move. If I do anything, I will probably pick up a 90mm cron first.



Jun 17, 2010 at 05:06 PM
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I posted some images with the 90mm Elmarit on this thread. This lens is a fantastic value!


Jun 17, 2010 at 06:58 PM
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4042/4709338251_06bcc66d67_o.jpg


Jun 18, 2010 at 02:26 AM
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Wilfredo wrote:
I posted some images with the 90mm Elmarit on this thread. This lens is a fantastic value!


Yeah this thread must have pushed up the value of this lens because even the first gen one is $350-400 and the coveted 2nd or e55 version is going for $550+.



Jun 18, 2010 at 09:28 AM
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Yeah, and while rare, the 90 cron used to be $350-400 a year or so ago and now there are several out there, each going for around 700.

Quick, let's make some threads showing terrible out of focus images and call it "Leica over hyped" or something. Then we'll do a similar one for the ZE lenses and corner the market.



Jun 18, 2010 at 09:40 AM
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I know what you mean. I found one for a decent deal, actually a great deal, but the guy never responded. Hmm, maybe a sign. Who knows.



Jun 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM
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shaunmlavery wrote:
I know what you mean. I found one for a decent deal, actually a great deal, but the guy never responded. Hmm, maybe a sign. Who knows.


There is a good condition pre-APO Cron 90 here. The shipping cost from Canada to my place is a bit too much. So I am giving it a miss.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260620795880&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT



Jun 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM
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Here is another from the other night. This took alott of coaxing to get people to play this game. I never understand why?



I won!

Oh, 35mm 'Cron It is pretty much glued to my 5D. Everything else sits in the bag.



Jun 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4679705074_c4970f91d6_o.jpg


Jun 19, 2010 at 01:51 AM
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shaunmlavery wrote:
Here is another from the other night. This took alott of coaxing to get people to play this game. I never understand why?


Heh, funny you mention that. My friends occasionally ask me to play and I'm always saying NO . It's just kind of boring to me.



Jun 19, 2010 at 09:54 AM
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hyst wrote:
Heh, funny you mention that. My friends occasionally ask me to play and I'm always saying NO . It's just kind of boring to me.


Yeah, it does take awhile. To me, it is one of those games that is fun to play maybe once a year. I hated it as a kid but now I kind of enjoy it.

ht77, the harley looks nice. Is that a fatboy? I really like the way the leather bags and fish tails look.



Jun 19, 2010 at 11:54 AM
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