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Archive 2010Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
p.3 #1Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
Mike Ganz wrote:
I sent the folks at Mirex an email requesting a price quote and ordering info for the Mamiya/EOS T/S adapter, but also considering the Mark II version the Canon 24mm T/S. Other than the ability to use multiple lenses on the Mirex, and the large cost difference between it and the Canon lens, are there any other pros/cons to using something like the Mirex versus the Canon lens?
I was considering buying the Canon lens a few more months down the road, but the Mirex has piqued my curiosity. Pretty much the only reason that I'm considering the Canon now...Show more →
The Mirex/Mamiya route has two disadvantages.
1. The widest rectilinear lens you can use is the 35/3.5. Fabulous lens but may not wide enough. I have a 7D and it's a real PITA. You have a 5D2 so it's much less of an issue. There's also the 24/4 but it's a fisheye lens and trying to straighten the verticals if you shift it may be a challenge (don't know from personal experience).
2. The axis are 90 degrees from each other. That means that if you want to shift and tilt in the same direction you can't do that. Only the 17/4 TS and 24/3.5 TS II can do that. However, with 35mm lenses and up, I haven't found it to be an issue.
So, as I see it, the main issue is FL. If you can live with 35mm limitation, the Mirex/Mamiya route is a no brainer. It is well made, the Mamiya lenses have superb IQ and BQ and the whole pack would cost you a lot less. If you can't, the two aforementioned Canon lenses are your only choices.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
I sent the folks at Mirex an email requesting a price quote and ordering info for the Mamiya/EOS T/S adapter, but also considering the Mark II version the Canon 24mm T/S. Other than the ability to use multiple lenses on the Mirex, and the large cost difference between it and the Canon lens, are there any other pros/cons to using something like the Mirex versus the Canon lens?
I was considering buying the Canon lens a few more months down the road, but the Mirex has piqued my curiosity. Pretty much the only reason that I'm considering the Canon now...Show more →
The Mirex/Mamiya route has two disadvantages.
1. The widest rectilinear lens you can use is the 35/3.5. Fabulous lens but may not wide enough. I have a 7D and it's a real PITA. You have a 5D2 so it's much less of an issue. There's also the 24/4 but it's a fisheye lens and trying to straighten the verticals if you shift it may be a challenge (don't know from personal experience).
2. The axis are 90 degrees from each other. That means that if you want to shift and tilt in the same direction you can't do that. Only the 17/4 TS and 24/3.5 TS II can do that. However, with 35mm lenses and up, I haven't found it to be an issue.
So, as I see it, the main issue is FL. If you can live with 35mm limitation, the Mirex/Mamiya route is a no brainer. It is well made, the Mamiya lenses have superb IQ and BQ and the whole pack would cost you a lot less. If you can't, the two aforementioned Canon lenses are your only choices.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Apr 25, 2010 at 10:36 PM
p.3 #2Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
Still very few flowers around here to speak of, but I traveled a few hours south and found some of the tulips so many of have been posting pictures of for weeks 
. I am only posting one but am providing a link to several others so as not to take up too much space. All the tulip pictures but the first three in the link (the last three taken), and the one below, are with the TS-E 90.
http://www.pbase.com/rtallent/image/123951033/original.jpg
more tuips
. I am only posting one but am providing a link to several others so as not to take up too much space. All the tulip pictures but the first three in the link (the last three taken), and the one below, are with the TS-E 90.http://www.pbase.com/rtallent/image/123951033/original.jpg
more tuips
Apr 26, 2010 at 04:51 PM
p.3 #3Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
Ok... got my lens today. The Mir-26B 3.5/45
Here are a few test shots with it on the Arax Tilt adapter and 5D.
Mir-26B @ 5.6, 8* tilt
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4567122880_602321ca5f_o.jpg
I think I'm going to have a lot of fun with this lens! Here's the thing though... I bought one with the wrong mount! D'oh! I must have gotten my listings mixed up on eBay and purchased one with a Kiev-88 mount... so in all of the above shots it's taped into my adapter with electrical tape! So what to do now?!?
Edited on Apr 30, 2010 at 08:07 PM · View previous versions
Here are a few test shots with it on the Arax Tilt adapter and 5D.
Mir-26B @ 5.6, 8* tilt
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4567122880_602321ca5f_o.jpg
I think I'm going to have a lot of fun with this lens! Here's the thing though... I bought one with the wrong mount! D'oh! I must have gotten my listings mixed up on eBay and purchased one with a Kiev-88 mount... so in all of the above shots it's taped into my adapter with electrical tape! So what to do now?!?
Edited on Apr 30, 2010 at 08:07 PM · View previous versions
Apr 30, 2010 at 05:59 PM
p.3 #4Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
Sorry, but I don't understand what these pictures should show us, Jacob. No offense 
Hans
Hans
Apr 30, 2010 at 07:42 PM
p.3 #5Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
Sorry... I was just posting a few test shots. These were literally the first shots with the lens so I was a little over excited I was just trying to keep some of the foreground and the chair in focus. I removed all but one of the photos to eliminate any future confusion.
I was just trying to keep some of the foreground and the chair in focus. I removed all but one of the photos to eliminate any future confusion.Apr 30, 2010 at 08:06 PM
p.3 #6Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
With the Zeiss 35mm 2.8 PC (now sold, sigh).
http://i.pbase.com/g5/91/505291/2/100139023.pKRjmIGg.jpg
http://i.pbase.com/g5/91/505291/2/100139023.pKRjmIGg.jpg
Apr 30, 2010 at 11:20 PM
p.3 #7Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
Jacob D wrote:
Sorry... I was just posting a few test shots. These were literally the first shots with the lens so I was a little over excited I was just trying to keep some of the foreground and the chair in focus. I removed all but one of the photos to eliminate any future confusion.
There is no need to apologize. You are free to post your examples and share your excitement with us. Post some more!
Sorry... I was just posting a few test shots. These were literally the first shots with the lens so I was a little over excited
I was just trying to keep some of the foreground and the chair in focus. I removed all but one of the photos to eliminate any future confusion.There is no need to apologize. You are free to post your examples and share your excitement with us. Post some more!
May 01, 2010 at 07:04 AM
p.3 #8Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
FD TS 35mm f2.8 SSC converted to EOS by me last week:
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8937/img2002001.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9181/img2005001.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3894/img2040001.jpg
Edited on May 02, 2010 at 06:55 AM · View previous versions
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8937/img2002001.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9181/img2005001.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3894/img2040001.jpg
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May 01, 2010 at 07:29 PM
p.3 #9Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
Man I've wanted one of those forever!
May 01, 2010 at 08:25 PM
p.3 #10Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
mcbroomf wrote:
Hi Alan, nice photos and website. You have some great images.
How do you like the Pentax 645 33-55? I'm shooting the 35 FA and I've wondered about the zoom.
thanks
Mike
Hi Mike,
I really love this lens, I wanted to get the FA 35 but there was none available
for a long time so I bit the bullet and went for the 33-55. I use it mainly for shooting interiors with the zoerk and although I have read reports about the distortion I find it its kept level there are no issues. its slow @ f4.5 so focusing in very low light can be a bit of trial and error but of course for interiors this wouldnt be an issue . . . most of the time !
Its a big lens for a small focal length, takes 82mm filters and is mostly made of plastic. Its nice to have the Zoom from 33-55 which takes in 3 of the focal lengths,
33, 45 and 55mm. I use it mostly @ f8, f11 and f16 and its certainly a sharp performer.
With the Zoerk PSA I use no more than about 15mm of shift up and 15mm down with slight abberations visible past 15mm towards 20mm is really not usable.
dont know what other info you want?
Alan
aoluain wrote
5D + Pentax 645 33-55 + Zoerk PSAHow do you like the Pentax 645 33-55? I'm shooting the 35 FA and I've wondered about the zoom.
thanks
Mike
Hi Mike,
I really love this lens, I wanted to get the FA 35 but there was none available
for a long time so I bit the bullet and went for the 33-55. I use it mainly for shooting interiors with the zoerk and although I have read reports about the distortion I find it its kept level there are no issues. its slow @ f4.5 so focusing in very low light can be a bit of trial and error but of course for interiors this wouldnt be an issue . . . most of the time !
Its a big lens for a small focal length, takes 82mm filters and is mostly made of plastic. Its nice to have the Zoom from 33-55 which takes in 3 of the focal lengths,
33, 45 and 55mm. I use it mostly @ f8, f11 and f16 and its certainly a sharp performer.
With the Zoerk PSA I use no more than about 15mm of shift up and 15mm down with slight abberations visible past 15mm towards 20mm is really not usable.
dont know what other info you want?
Alan
May 04, 2010 at 02:45 AM
p.3 #12Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
pengland wrote:
FD TS 35mm f2.8 SSC converted to EOS by me last week:
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8937/img2002001.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9181/img2005001.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3894/img2040001.jpg
Wonderful examples. Do you have any where the background is also sharp?
FD TS 35mm f2.8 SSC converted to EOS by me last week:
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8937/img2002001.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9181/img2005001.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3894/img2040001.jpg
Wonderful examples. Do you have any where the background is also sharp?
May 04, 2010 at 09:38 AM
p.3 #13Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
prashant wrote:
Wonderful examples. Do you have any where the background is also sharp?
I am looking forward to taking exactly that type of shot. That's what I bought this lens for. These are just a few quick "first use" shots. I have not had an opportunity to try anything else as time/weather has not permitted me to do it. I will post some once I have some decent ones.
Wonderful examples. Do you have any where the background is also sharp?
I am looking forward to taking exactly that type of shot. That's what I bought this lens for. These are just a few quick "first use" shots. I have not had an opportunity to try anything else as time/weather has not permitted me to do it. I will post some once I have some decent ones.
May 04, 2010 at 09:47 AM
p.3 #14Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
Here's a little family photo journalism with the tilt...
45mm f3.5, 8ยบ tilt
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4572487301_23d8236584_o.jpg
45mm f3.5, 8ยบ tilt
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4572487301_23d8236584_o.jpg
May 04, 2010 at 10:59 AM
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May 04, 2010 at 08:52 PM
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May 05, 2010 at 02:01 AM
p.3 #18Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
pengland wrote:
I am looking forward to taking exactly that type of shot. That's what I bought this lens for. These are just a few quick "first use" shots. I have not had an opportunity to try anything else as time/weather has not permitted me to do it. I will post some once I have some decent ones.
Looking forward to your posts.
btw, how did you convert it?
prashant wrote
Wonderful examples. Do you have any where the background is also sharp?Looking forward to your posts.
btw, how did you convert it?
May 05, 2010 at 03:24 AM
p.3 #19Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
prashant wrote:
I am looking forward to taking exactly that type of shot. That's what I bought this lens for. These are just a few quick "first use" shots. I have not had an opportunity to try anything else as time/weather has not permitted me to do it. I will post some once I have some decent ones.Looking forward to your posts.
btw, how did you convert it?
It's one of the easiest Canon FD lenses to convert in terms of the total amount of work as the aperture control requires no modification. I machined the original mounting plate and a M42/EOS adapter in order to establish the correct register distance. Other than that, I had to make a small tweak to the adjustment screws to obtain infinity focus. I was very fortunate to find a lens in mint condition for around $400. The total cost including shipping and the adapter was around $475.
pengland wrote
prashant wrote
Wonderful examples. Do you have any where the background is also sharp?btw, how did you convert it?
It's one of the easiest Canon FD lenses to convert in terms of the total amount of work as the aperture control requires no modification. I machined the original mounting plate and a M42/EOS adapter in order to establish the correct register distance. Other than that, I had to make a small tweak to the adjustment screws to obtain infinity focus. I was very fortunate to find a lens in mint condition for around $400. The total cost including shipping and the adapter was around $475.
May 05, 2010 at 04:16 AM
p.3 #20Alternative Tilt & Shift Thread
A couple taken with my FD TS 35mm to demonstrate the effect of tilt with the lens. I picked a location to show the position of the focus plane "wedge" in terms of penetration and depth.
Both pics were taken hand held at f2.8. The first was with no tilt and the second was with full tilt.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1536/img2091001.jpg
Full tilt:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3043/img2092001.jpg
Both pics were taken hand held at f2.8. The first was with no tilt and the second was with full tilt.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1536/img2091001.jpg
Full tilt:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3043/img2092001.jpg
May 05, 2010 at 02:03 PM