rd4tile wrote:
The auto focus isn't all that great on HD camcorders in a similar price range, nobody uses it as you pointed out.
And how many people are making TV shows and movies with HD camcorders?? Camcorders? They are the XXXDs of the video world.
DSLRs might not have the exact quality of the big cinema video cameras, but they are being used as such BY professionals. Have a look at any movie set. 99% of filming is done with manual and pre-focus
Hey Brietling the 747 shot with the colorful background is 6400 and the final shot is 1600.
The post processing on these are pretty average as im in the middle of transitioning from PC to Mac and so didnt have time to really work on the noise in the 747 shot so its pretty grainy.
Im sure they would clean up a little more with more time and effort.
Darren
Nick, Thanks for discussing your NR method. I'm just buying the NIK bundle right now, including Define which will be my first contemporary NR software. Your results at 12800 are inspiring to me.
John Caldwell wrote:
Nick, Thanks for discussing your NR method. I'm just buying the NIK bundle right now, including Define which will be my first contemporary NR software. Your results at 12800 are inspiring to me.
Thanks again.
John-
No problem. I've been getting much better results once I stopped trying to apply NR in once pass. It makes so much more sense to target the detail/highlight and shadow areas separately since they have different levels of apparent noise. It takes longer but you can put it in an action. I think the trick is to not try to eliminate grain b/c once you try to eliminate grain on a higher ISO image, you end up with that ugly pastel look.
I like dFine a lot. I have that b/c it deals with banding pretty well on my 5DMKII high ISO shots. But it's a little slower than say Noise Ninja or Neat Image Pro+. I've abandoned NoiseNinja for a while but recently started to use it again.
Adam L wrote:
And how many people are making TV shows and movies with HD camcorders?? Camcorders? They are the XXXDs of the video world.
DSLRs might not have the exact quality of the big cinema video cameras, but they are being used as such BY professionals. Have a look at any movie set. 99% of filming is done with manual and pre-focus
I agree, I've owned a few lower end pro cams like the HVX200 and Sony EX1 and I never used the continuous AF in those. Their AF systems just weren't consistently accurate.
Nick Nishizaka wrote:
No problem. I've been getting much better results once I stopped trying to apply NR in once pass. It makes so much more sense to target the detail/highlight and shadow areas separately since they have different levels of apparent noise. It takes longer but you can put it in an action. I think the trick is to not try to eliminate grain b/c once you try to eliminate grain on a higher ISO image, you end up with that ugly pastel look.
I like dFine a lot. I have that b/c it deals with banding pretty well on my 5DMKII high ISO shots. But it's a little slower than say Noise Ninja or Neat Image Pro+. I've abandoned NoiseNinja for a while but recently started to use it again....Show more →
John, I think Nick will agree, that the NIK "control point" technology is extremly "user friendly and very selective on what you manipulate. I have Dfine 2.0 and Viveza 2. Hope those are in your bundle.
Dan
mdbassman wrote:
John, I think Nick will agree, that the NIK "control point" technology is extremly "user friendly and very selective on what you manipulate. I have Dfine 2.0 and Viveza 2. Hope those are in your bundle.
Dan
These plugins are very nice indeed.
The only issue I have with the control point way of doing things is that it can't really be automated since it's specific to an image.
So the trick for me is to settle on a set of NR Parameters so I can create an action for each ISO level...
But when it comes to ISO12800, each image needs a little TLC anyways, so I guess that's somewhat of a moot point.
I can only assume it eats up more juice when you turn the camera on. Not sure. That's just from experience.
I can easily shoot 2k-3k frames if I am just firing off shots in bursts over a course of a day or 2. But if I am shooting here and there, then turn the camera off, only to turn it back on a few hours later or the next day, shoot some more, then repeat, the battery will drain faster and I definitely won't get 2k shots.
Nick Nishizaka wrote:
These plugins are very nice indeed.
The only issue I have with the control point way of doing things is that it can't really be automated since it's specific to an image.
So the trick for me is to settle on a set of NR Parameters so I can create an action for each ISO level...
But when it comes to ISO12800, each image needs a little TLC anyways, so I guess that's somewhat of a moot point.
Great Nick! So that is indeed manipulation as I stated! That is why I like NIK sw.
Great work BTW!!
Dan
Nick Nishizaka wrote:
I can only assume it eats up more juice when you turn the camera on. Not sure. That's just from experience.
I can easily shoot 2k-3k frames if I am just firing off shots in bursts over a course of a day or 2. But if I am shooting here and there, then turn the camera off, only to turn it back on a few hours later or the next day, shoot some more, then repeat, the battery will drain faster and I definitely won't get 2k shots.
Forgive me if this has already posted, this thread is now so long it's hard to go back and check. However, it is a revealing article that puts things into perspective and gives some hints on selecting autofocus settings.
With my previous 1D Mark II and III I never felt comfortable shooting at anything above ISO 400 due to noise. I'd push it on occassion to "get the shot" but the noise still had to be delt with. The Mark IV is producing ISO 400 quality shots at ISO 1000 - ISO 1600 and with a light pass of NR is equally as good and the detail stands up will.
The below shot was taken at ISO 1000 and cropped 50%. You'll notice that much of the peli-ken is oof except the head and that is what you get when you're shooting a peli-ken whizzing by 25 ft away and you have a 500 mm lens mounted on the camera. The DOF is shallow at best
1D Mark IV, ISO 1000, 1/2000th, f/5.6, all AF points activated, CF's all at factory defaults, processed in DPP from RAW.
With my previous 1D Mark II and III I never felt comfortable shooting at anything above ISO 400 due to noise. I'd push it on occassion to "get the shot" but the noise still had to be delt with. The Mark IV is producing ISO 400 quality shots at ISO 1000 - ISO 1600 and with a light pass of NR is equally as good and the detail stands up will.
The below shot was taken at ISO 1000 and cropped 50%. You'll notice that much of the peli-ken is oof except the head and that is what you get when you're shooting a peli-ken whizzing by 25 ft away and you have a 500 mm lens mounted on the camera. The DOF is shallow at best
1D Mark IV, ISO 1000, 1/2000th, f/5.6, all AF points activated, CF's all at factory defaults, processed in DPP from RAW. ...Show more →
Based on that image and your previous posts I'd say your MKIV is working well - nice job!
rd4tile wrote:
Based on that image and your previous posts I'd say your MKIV is working well - nice job!
I'll say!
I'll probably get flayed alive for saying this, but I can see something of the MK IV's IQ in my 7D - something about the fine grained, unobtrusive nature of the noise, and the excellent detail and sharpness, that they share.
I'll probably get flayed alive for saying this, but I can see something of the MK IV's IQ in my 7D - something about the fine grained, unobtrusive nature of the noise, and the excellent detail and sharpness, that they share.
No arguments from me. I had the 7D for a couple of months and if it could AF over f5.6 and was a 1.3X crop I would have been perfectly happy with it. If one pixel peeps you can start seeing differences in the files at ISOs 400 and up but there certainly isn't the huge disparity like I saw between the MKIII and 50D.
I agree that the 7d is a great camera and I really like the way video is implemented on it; IMHO better than on the 1d4. But the 1d4 wins hands down for hi ISO, fast AF, and straight out of the camera sharpness.
Bang for the buck wise the 7d may be the champ; but the more I use the 1d4 the happier I am.
