you2 wrote:
I thought the 20 was considered a bit of a poor lens? How does the 58 compare to the sigma 50 ?
I recently got the 20mm f3.5 for my Nikon mount and was very impressed with this lens. By all means, an excellent value and a very sweet lens for sure. Sharp and almost no CA which was a bit surprising.
I would not compare the SL 20mm with the Zeiss 21mm f2.8, but if I had to choose between the two, I would still pick the compact 20mm f3.5 for performance, price, and size.
I doubt if it will be that much more for the Canon EF mount when the Nikon mount can be had for around $550.
The price of 600$ for a No-name 58mm lens sounds a bit high, even the Zeiss is not much more. The 40mm and the 20mm sound like a true alternative to the recent EF offerings though
Doo-bop wrote:
The price of 600$ for a No-name 58mm lens sounds a bit high, even the Zeiss is not much more. The 40mm and the 20mm sound like a true alternative to the recent EF offerings though
The Cosina Voigtlander stuff is hardly no-name. They've made their name quite well with more than a decade's worth of reasonably priced high-performance lenses in RF mounts as well as some utterly superb SLR lenses in the SL and SLII lines.
Note that while the Zeiss 50/1.4 is better and not much more, the 58 Nokton is a fairly close second and outperforms every single one of the first-party 50/1.4's available today (the Sigma 50/1.4 is better as well, but more expensive than either the Zeiss or Voigtlander)
I do not doubt the quality of the lens. I just think that do not have a large user base. Maybe they are better known for their Rangefinder lenses, but that user base is not very large either
Doo-bop wrote:
I do not doubt the quality of the lens. I just think that do not have a large user base. Maybe they are better known for their Rangefinder lenses, but that user base is not very large either
They've a fair userbase out there, the SL/SLII lenses have been quite successful for them (Some of the SL's sell for 3-4 times as much now as they did when new), and of course they also build all of the Zeiss ZE/ZF/ZK lenses and all but 2 of the Zeiss ZM lenses.
Sam N wrote:
Does the 53,000 yen mean the 40/2 will cost ~$600 here? That is WAY too much.
Going by the Japanese price, the 20mm will be $640.
Not unless Stephen Gandy is in a bad mood. These lenses costs about $30 more than their PK/F-mount brethren.
Doo-bop wrote:
The price of 600$ for a No-name 58mm lens sounds a bit high, even the Zeiss is not much more. The 40mm and the 20mm sound like a true alternative to the recent EF offerings though
It is not $600. First of all the prices on Cosina's site are domestic suggested RETAIL prices. Secondly everything in Japan costs much more than it does in the states, especially with the yen to dollar disparity right now. The 58 and 40 are both $379 in the US at all vendors (I believe prices is controlled by Gandy) which means the EF mount versions should be $30-40 more expensive, as the current lenses are 50,000 yen vs 53,000 yen in EF mount.
The 20 acquired its rep as a 'poor' lens solely because it doesn't outperform the equivalent 1st party options, unlike the 58 or 40. It's still very, very good as TWoK says.
I would say compared to all of the ALT options in the same class as well as the Nikon, Canon, etc auto-focus 20/2.8s it's better. Comparing it to the ZF 21/2.8 or 14-24/2.8 is a joke. Both lenses are much larger.
brainiac wrote:
Glad I held off on the 40 AI-S. I nearly put my money down for one this afternoon.
Richard
You keep on threatening to get this lens I have it A1-s and there is no doubt how good the lens is for sure. don`t know if you have tried one on your camera but I suggest you try before buy, not from IQ point of view but from handling. Much as I like the images I do find it`s use doesn`t flow and I`m always cack-handed when using it. Might try what someone else recommended and stick something raised on the focus ring for easier locating.
jaetie wrote:
i'm wondering though, whether these will come with a built-in AF confirmation chip, just like the voigtlander 125mm f/2.5 SL.
it will be a shame if they don't.
The CV 125/2.5 doesn't have an AF confirm chip, it has a full implementation of the Canon EF mount, with full auto aperture, EXIF, perfect metering, (and yes, AF confirm works just like every other Canon EF lens).
Sam, where does it say these new ones are a full EF mount implementation?
TWoK wrote:
It is not $600. First of all the prices on Cosina's site are domestic suggested RETAIL prices. Secondly everything in Japan costs much more than it does in the states, especially with the yen to dollar disparity right now. The 58 and 40 are both $379 in the US at all vendors (I believe prices is controlled by Gandy) which means the EF mount versions should be $30-40 more expensive, as the current lenses are 50,000 yen vs 53,000 yen in EF mount.
Well that's a relief.. hopefully. $400 for the 40/2 sounds more reasonable. Not that I'll get one since compactness will become less of a priority for me on my 40D (and already have a 30/1.4), but it's great to see an actual pancake option with an EF mount natively attached to it. If I ever go FF, I will have to buy one though =)
Doo-bop wrote:
The price of 600$ for a No-name 58mm lens sounds a bit high, even the Zeiss is not much more. The 40mm and the 20mm sound like a true alternative to the recent EF offerings though
cogitech wrote:
Sam, where does it say these new ones are a full EF mount implementation?
I haven't seen any mention either that these lenses will have an electric aperture and all that (support for shutter priority, etc.). If they won't, it will be positive in the sense that we won't have to pay a big premium for the EF mount, but of course it will offer few advantages then over other mounts that can be used with adapter (only no adapter issues, basically).
I have it A1-s and there is no doubt how good the lens is for sure. don`t know if you have tried one on your camera but I suggest you try before buy, not from IQ point of view but from handling. Much as I like the images I do find it`s use doesn`t flow and I`m always cack-handed when using it. Might try what someone else recommended and stick something raised on the focus ring for easier locating.