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Archive 2009Official 7D Thread
p.13 #1Official 7D Thread
cogitech wrote:
Nonsense.
"Electronic" screens? What are you on? It is an overlay.
Because you've used the camera already and know for a fact its rubbish
M Vers wrote
Aside from that, there is no proof that the electronic screens do or don't perform as well as aftermarket screens."Electronic" screens? What are you on? It is an overlay.
Because you've used the camera already and know for a fact its rubbish
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:54 AM
p.13 #2Official 7D Thread
keithreeder wrote:
Yeah, like they're forcing you to buy a 7D, the b@stards...
On the contrary, by not offering an option for a precision focusing screen, they force me not to buy it.
cogitech wrote
F%^k you, Canon.On the contrary, by not offering an option for a precision focusing screen, they force me not to buy it.
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:55 AM
p.13 #3Official 7D Thread
garyvot wrote:
Well, "stupid" isn't the word I'd use.But, in fact Yohan, that's what you implied in your post, suggesting that many 5D2 owners were "suckered" into buying a product that offered no incremental value (in your eyes). dlphoto was merely quoting you in paraphrase (and disagreeing with you).
The whole "suckered" thing was a poor attempt at a joke, hence the smiley. There's a reason I'm not a professional comedian!
And at no point did I say the 5DII "offered no incremental value".
Yohan Pamudji wrote
dhphoto wrote
If 5DII owners are that stupid then they deserve to feel bad about their purchase. But I don't think many are.The whole "suckered" thing was a poor attempt at a joke, hence the smiley. There's a reason I'm not a professional comedian!
And at no point did I say the 5DII "offered no incremental value".
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:55 AM
p.13 #4Official 7D Thread
M Vers wrote:
Oversight? Blatant crippling? Do you not realize you are in the vast minority? A majority of those who choose to go with the 7D will never use MF, and if they do not enough to need an additional screen.
I think the solution is clear: Canon (and Nikon and Sony) should simply ask each of us *exactly* what features we want, then make that one camera *just for us*. Imagine, no more grand consipracy theories over how they're just trying to rip us off!
cogitech wrote
How difficult would it have been to make replaceable screens and then throw the overlays onto whatever screen was there? To offer a camera of this class with no precision focusing screen option is either a huge oversight or a blatant crippling of the camera.I think the solution is clear: Canon (and Nikon and Sony) should simply ask each of us *exactly* what features we want, then make that one camera *just for us*. Imagine, no more grand consipracy theories over how they're just trying to rip us off!
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:58 AM
p.13 #5Official 7D Thread
M Vers wrote:
Nonsense.
"Electronic" screens? What are you on? It is an overlay.Because you've used the camera already and know for a fact its rubbish
No. I know for a fact that it is a standard "stock" focusing screen with electronic grid-line and AF-point overlays that will not assist with precision manual focusing like an S-type focusing screen does. No amount of electronic wizardry will change that, and it is completely illogical (read "stupid") for them to leave this option out of a camera of this caliber.
cogitech wrote
M Vers wrote
Aside from that, there is no proof that the electronic screens do or don't perform as well as aftermarket screens."Electronic" screens? What are you on? It is an overlay.
No. I know for a fact that it is a standard "stock" focusing screen with electronic grid-line and AF-point overlays that will not assist with precision manual focusing like an S-type focusing screen does. No amount of electronic wizardry will change that, and it is completely illogical (read "stupid") for them to leave this option out of a camera of this caliber.
Sep 01, 2009 at 10:59 AM
p.13 #6Official 7D Thread
Believe me if you once had a 1d you will say
Yes it is worth
msalvetti wrote:
It stil has only one center AF point that is high precision at 2.8 it only has 10 extra cross type 5.6 AF points
The 1D3 has 18 cross type high precision at 2.8 and the center point is high precision at 4I'm beginning to think "no". I've seen Pro AF thrown around a lot these last few days, but the word "professional" doesn't even appear once in the Canon press release. Maybe it originally came from the translated leaked specs?
All Canon says is the 7D AF uses the same "architecture" as the 1-Series. It's probably a lot better than the 50D, but how comparable it might be to the MkIII (or the 1DMkII for that matter) will have to wait for more real-world testing.
There are even subtle differences between the MkII and the MkIII. Most people seem to think that the...Show more →
Yes it is worth
msalvetti wrote:
Geert Koning wrote
Is this new AF really so much better then the 50D and comparable with the 1D AF ?It stil has only one center AF point that is high precision at 2.8 it only has 10 extra cross type 5.6 AF points
The 1D3 has 18 cross type high precision at 2.8 and the center point is high precision at 4
All Canon says is the 7D AF uses the same "architecture" as the 1-Series. It's probably a lot better than the 50D, but how comparable it might be to the MkIII (or the 1DMkII for that matter) will have to wait for more real-world testing.
There are even subtle differences between the MkII and the MkIII. Most people seem to think that the...Show more →
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:00 AM
p.13 #7Official 7D Thread
M Vers wrote:
Oversight? Blatant crippling? Do you not realize you are in the vast minority? A majority of those who choose to go with the 7D will never use MF, and if they do not enough to need an additional screen.
You could say the same thing for the 40D, but they had the insight to offer the Ef-S screen for that camera. It would cost absolutely nothing for them to have offered an S-type screen for this camera, but instead they issue a press release explicitly stating that they will not offer replacement screens, because they have a fancy new electronic grid-lines and AF-points overlay. Typical Canon retardation.
cogitech wrote
How difficult would it have been to make replaceable screens and then throw the overlays onto whatever screen was there? To offer a camera of this class with no precision focusing screen option is either a huge oversight or a blatant crippling of the camera.You could say the same thing for the 40D, but they had the insight to offer the Ef-S screen for that camera. It would cost absolutely nothing for them to have offered an S-type screen for this camera, but instead they issue a press release explicitly stating that they will not offer replacement screens, because they have a fancy new electronic grid-lines and AF-points overlay. Typical Canon retardation.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:03 AM
p.13 #8Official 7D Thread
Is anyone else here slightly baffled what exactly the 7D is for? Who is it aimed at? Is it just an expensive 60D or am I missing something fundamental?
Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I am honestly puzzled. Looking for enlightenment
Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I am honestly puzzled. Looking for enlightenment
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:09 AM
p.13 #9Official 7D Thread
cogitech wrote:
This is very bad news for people who prefer manual focus. It is not likely that they have managed to electronically "overlay" a super-precision S-type screen.
I think I'd take a good look at it first, before declaring it insufficient for manual focus. I don't know what kind of screen it has - possibly something that matches the standard type screen. Or maybe not.
There's still 'live view' to assist in manual focusing, though this is really only useful for static subjects. And much more useable with a tripod.
Just curious - do you use manual focus because of the particular lenses that you use (i.e., exotic glass, TSE, etc.) or do you just prefer to manually focus so that you get the plane of focus exactly where you want it? I know that it's fairly difficult to manually focus most AF lenses today, due to the short throw of the focus mechanism.
This is very bad news for people who prefer manual focus. It is not likely that they have managed to electronically "overlay" a super-precision S-type screen.
I think I'd take a good look at it first, before declaring it insufficient for manual focus. I don't know what kind of screen it has - possibly something that matches the standard type screen. Or maybe not.
There's still 'live view' to assist in manual focusing, though this is really only useful for static subjects. And much more useable with a tripod.
Just curious - do you use manual focus because of the particular lenses that you use (i.e., exotic glass, TSE, etc.) or do you just prefer to manually focus so that you get the plane of focus exactly where you want it? I know that it's fairly difficult to manually focus most AF lenses today, due to the short throw of the focus mechanism.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:10 AM
p.13 #10Official 7D Thread
Has anyone bothered to go back and look at all the rumor mills to see who had accurate information about this camera?
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:11 AM
p.13 #11Official 7D Thread
David Baldwin wrote:
Is anyone else here slightly baffled what exactly the 7D is for? Who is it aimed at? Is it just an expensive 60D or am I missing something fundamental?
Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I am honestly puzzled. Looking for enlightenment
If the image quality doesn't completely suck and the AF is definitely better than the x0D I know a LOT of bird/wildlife shooters who will rejoice, myself included.
Is anyone else here slightly baffled what exactly the 7D is for? Who is it aimed at? Is it just an expensive 60D or am I missing something fundamental?
Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I am honestly puzzled. Looking for enlightenment
If the image quality doesn't completely suck and the AF is definitely better than the x0D I know a LOT of bird/wildlife shooters who will rejoice, myself included.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:12 AM
p.13 #12Official 7D Thread
You will still be able to take out the focus screen, and I'm sure third party screen makers will fill the void. My 30D doesn't have interchangeable screens, and Canon offers none for it, yet I have a super precision matte screen with split prism and prism ring. Took me 2 minutes to install.
Of course, it cost a little more than the Canon screens, but it's still an option.
Of course, it cost a little more than the Canon screens, but it's still an option.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:12 AM
p.13 #13Official 7D Thread
Not being able to use focusing screens might have something to do with the new viewfinder display where it projects things onto the VF like gridlines and is only bright with the power on. Just a thought.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:15 AM
p.13 #14Official 7D Thread
David Baldwin wrote:
Is anyone else here slightly baffled what exactly the 7D is for? Who is it aimed at?
Nope, not at all. Sports and wildlife photogs will eat this thing up if it turns out to perform the way it looks on paper. Not only that but if ISO performance works out I can see a lot of event photogs picking one of these up as a secondary, or possibility even primary, body. Basically the 7D is aimed at the X0D market and at those looking for pro-like features in a smaller, more compact, and most of all cheaper package.
Is anyone else here slightly baffled what exactly the 7D is for? Who is it aimed at?
Nope, not at all. Sports and wildlife photogs will eat this thing up if it turns out to perform the way it looks on paper. Not only that but if ISO performance works out I can see a lot of event photogs picking one of these up as a secondary, or possibility even primary, body. Basically the 7D is aimed at the X0D market and at those looking for pro-like features in a smaller, more compact, and most of all cheaper package.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:18 AM
p.13 #15Official 7D Thread
nathanlake wrote:
Has anyone bothered to go back and look at all the rumor mills to see who had accurate information about this camera?
seriously.. i want to start making an ignore list
Has anyone bothered to go back and look at all the rumor mills to see who had accurate information about this camera?
seriously.. i want to start making an ignore list
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:19 AM
p.13 #16Official 7D Thread
Tom_W wrote:
I think I'd take a good look at it first, before declaring it insufficient for manual focus. I don't know what kind of screen it has - possibly something that matches the standard type screen. Or maybe not.
There's still 'live view' to assist in manual focusing, though this is really only useful for static subjects. And much more useable with a tripod.
Just curious - do you use manual focus because of the particular lenses that you use (i.e., exotic glass, TSE, etc.) or do you just prefer to manually focus so that you get the plane of focus exactly where...Show more →
Tom,
You are right that I am assuming a standard screen. Defaulting to a precision screen is something that they would never do because this always results in a darker VF. I think it is safe to say they went for the brightest VF image possible, which means completely useless for manual focusing lenses f2.8 and faster.
LV has it's place. This accounts for about 5% of my shooting, though.
I use MF because of both reasons you mentioned. I began using it due to my choice of glass, but I soon became addicted to "compocusing". The freedom from the AF system dramatically improved my photography in so many ways. I can't go back to AF now. No amount of AF points will ever compete with the infinite AF points that my Ee-S screen offers me. I want to devote my attention to my subject, composition, bokeh, etc., not my AF points.
I think I'd take a good look at it first, before declaring it insufficient for manual focus. I don't know what kind of screen it has - possibly something that matches the standard type screen. Or maybe not.
There's still 'live view' to assist in manual focusing, though this is really only useful for static subjects. And much more useable with a tripod.
Just curious - do you use manual focus because of the particular lenses that you use (i.e., exotic glass, TSE, etc.) or do you just prefer to manually focus so that you get the plane of focus exactly where...Show more →
Tom,
You are right that I am assuming a standard screen. Defaulting to a precision screen is something that they would never do because this always results in a darker VF. I think it is safe to say they went for the brightest VF image possible, which means completely useless for manual focusing lenses f2.8 and faster.
LV has it's place. This accounts for about 5% of my shooting, though.
I use MF because of both reasons you mentioned. I began using it due to my choice of glass, but I soon became addicted to "compocusing". The freedom from the AF system dramatically improved my photography in so many ways. I can't go back to AF now. No amount of AF points will ever compete with the infinite AF points that my Ee-S screen offers me. I want to devote my attention to my subject, composition, bokeh, etc., not my AF points.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:25 AM
p.13 #17Official 7D Thread
Greg Schneider wrote:
Not being able to use focusing screens might have something to do with the new viewfinder display where it projects things onto the VF like gridlines and is only bright with the power on. Just a thought.
Yes, I get that. It's just that the overlay will not provide a precision focusing option like the Ee-S and Ef-S screens.
Not being able to use focusing screens might have something to do with the new viewfinder display where it projects things onto the VF like gridlines and is only bright with the power on. Just a thought.
Yes, I get that. It's just that the overlay will not provide a precision focusing option like the Ee-S and Ef-S screens.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:27 AM
p.13 #18Official 7D Thread
Jman13 wrote:
You will still be able to take out the focus screen, and I'm sure third party screen makers will fill the void. My 30D doesn't have interchangeable screens, and Canon offers none for it, yet I have a super precision matte screen with split prism and prism ring. Took me 2 minutes to install.
Of course, it cost a little more than the Canon screens, but it's still an option.
I realize this. I've just never had a 3rd party screen that came close to the Canon Ee-S. I don't want a central focusing aid for exactly the same reason I don't want to use the AF system.
The question is, why has Canon left the option out? They make one for the 5D and 40D (and all the 1-series, of course), so why not the 7D? Because of the new overlay feature? Rubbish!
You will still be able to take out the focus screen, and I'm sure third party screen makers will fill the void. My 30D doesn't have interchangeable screens, and Canon offers none for it, yet I have a super precision matte screen with split prism and prism ring. Took me 2 minutes to install.
Of course, it cost a little more than the Canon screens, but it's still an option.
I realize this. I've just never had a 3rd party screen that came close to the Canon Ee-S. I don't want a central focusing aid for exactly the same reason I don't want to use the AF system.
The question is, why has Canon left the option out? They make one for the 5D and 40D (and all the 1-series, of course), so why not the 7D? Because of the new overlay feature? Rubbish!
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:29 AM
p.13 #19Official 7D Thread
finally a cropper if it lives up to spec (and canon's history is that they generally do), a compelling camera for any sporst / wildlife. Having decent 18 mps w/ 1.6x factor, imagine the possibilities. Lets wait and see how it does in the field and its not just a marketing driven camera from a MP standpoint.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:35 AM