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Archive 2009Official 7D Thread
p.14 #1Official 7D Thread
I wasn't aware of this and was wondering if that might have been the reason for your posts. I agree, not a user-friendly move, and makes no sense.
cogitech wrote:
M Vers wrote:
cogitech wrote:
they will not offer replacement screens, because they have a fancy new electronic grid-lines and AF-points overlay. Typical Canon retardation.
cogitech wrote:
M Vers wrote:
cogitech wrote:
they will not offer replacement screens, because they have a fancy new electronic grid-lines and AF-points overlay. Typical Canon retardation.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:38 AM
p.14 #2Official 7D Thread
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Not everybody has their photographic needs as distinctly and cleanly compartmentalized as some here do. There is nothing inherently wrong with comparing any one camera to another, regardless of how wildly different their features sets may be.
Try and use your brain for a moment.
Explain the logic behind someone buying a 5D when the 50D isn't quite enough but the 7D is just right.
What on 7D is on the 5D but isn't on the 50D except video?
Not everybody has their photographic needs as distinctly and cleanly compartmentalized as some here do. There is nothing inherently wrong with comparing any one camera to another, regardless of how wildly different their features sets may be.
Try and use your brain for a moment.
Explain the logic behind someone buying a 5D when the 50D isn't quite enough but the 7D is just right.
What on 7D is on the 5D but isn't on the 50D except video?
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:43 AM
p.14 #3Official 7D Thread
I guess there will be a lot of people selling off their 50D. I will be one of them. There's a bunch of upgrades on the 7D. Being a videographer background, video is one of them for me.
yeah!
yeah!
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:51 AM
p.14 #4Official 7D Thread
this baby looks good indeed ,birding and sport shooting just made easer for canon user,i think it is the time to give my trusty 20d some rest.
Sep 01, 2009 at 11:52 AM
p.14 #5Official 7D Thread
Tim Speciale wrote:
Try and use your brain for a moment.
Explain the logic behind someone buying a 5D when the 50D isn't quite enough but the 7D is just right.
What on 7D is on the 5D but isn't on the 50D except video?
Your snarkiness aside, you provided a potential answer with your own question: video. Other 5DII advantages over the 50D that the 7D goes some way toward matching (not as good as the 5DII but still better than 50D):
- better image quality
- higher resolution
- viewfinder size
Things 5DII buyers might have begrudgingly given up for those benefits that they would've preferred to keep if possible (7D better than 5DII):
- more cross-type AF points
- pop-up flash
- higher framerate
So take the aspects in which the 7D & 5DII are better than the 50D that somebody might have seen as worth upgrading to the 5DII for, then add to those the 50D aspects that said user had to sacrifice to go to the 5DII that are now available on the 7D, and you can see how the 7D could represent a better fit than the 5DII.
Let me just assume that I didn't explain myself well enough. Not trying to belabor the point, but I want to be clear. In my example I was trying to describe a situation where somebody wasn't buying the 5DII strictly for its FF or for its better high ISO performance alone--things that the 5DII are superlative for with no equal. Believe it or not many of us are like this. We have less compartmentalized photographic needs and don't always buy a particular camera because of one uber-feature or because it's a perfect fit. We make the best compromise available at the time, and the 5DII represented the best combination of pros and cons at the time. Is it so inconceivable that some people would've preferred the 7D if it were available?
Try and use your brain for a moment.
Explain the logic behind someone buying a 5D when the 50D isn't quite enough but the 7D is just right.
What on 7D is on the 5D but isn't on the 50D except video?
Your snarkiness aside, you provided a potential answer with your own question: video. Other 5DII advantages over the 50D that the 7D goes some way toward matching (not as good as the 5DII but still better than 50D):
- better image quality
- higher resolution
- viewfinder size
Things 5DII buyers might have begrudgingly given up for those benefits that they would've preferred to keep if possible (7D better than 5DII):
- more cross-type AF points
- pop-up flash
- higher framerate
So take the aspects in which the 7D & 5DII are better than the 50D that somebody might have seen as worth upgrading to the 5DII for, then add to those the 50D aspects that said user had to sacrifice to go to the 5DII that are now available on the 7D, and you can see how the 7D could represent a better fit than the 5DII.
Let me just assume that I didn't explain myself well enough. Not trying to belabor the point, but I want to be clear. In my example I was trying to describe a situation where somebody wasn't buying the 5DII strictly for its FF or for its better high ISO performance alone--things that the 5DII are superlative for with no equal. Believe it or not many of us are like this. We have less compartmentalized photographic needs and don't always buy a particular camera because of one uber-feature or because it's a perfect fit. We make the best compromise available at the time, and the 5DII represented the best combination of pros and cons at the time. Is it so inconceivable that some people would've preferred the 7D if it were available?
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:01 PM
p.14 #6Official 7D Thread
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Explain the logic behind someone buying a 5D when the 50D isn't quite enough but the 7D is just right.
What on 7D is on the 5D but isn't on the 50D except video?Your snarkiness aside, you provided a potential answer with your own question: video. Other 5DII advantages over the 50D that the 7D goes some way toward matching (not as good as the 5DII but still better than 50D):
- better image quality
- higher resolution
- viewfinder size
Things 5DII buyers might have begrudgingly given up for those benefits that they would've preferred to keep if possible (7D better than 5DII):
- more cross-type AF points
- pop-up flash
- higher framerate
So take the aspects in which the 7D & 5DII are better than the 50D that somebody might have seen as worth upgrading to the...Show more →
The differences you list are found on upgraded bodies. They aren't on the 7D because it's an inherently different camera.
Tim Speciale wrote
Try and use your brain for a moment.Explain the logic behind someone buying a 5D when the 50D isn't quite enough but the 7D is just right.
What on 7D is on the 5D but isn't on the 50D except video?
- better image quality
- higher resolution
- viewfinder size
Things 5DII buyers might have begrudgingly given up for those benefits that they would've preferred to keep if possible (7D better than 5DII):
- more cross-type AF points
- pop-up flash
- higher framerate
So take the aspects in which the 7D & 5DII are better than the 50D that somebody might have seen as worth upgrading to the...Show more →
The differences you list are found on upgraded bodies. They aren't on the 7D because it's an inherently different camera.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:12 PM
p.14 #7Official 7D Thread
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:30 PM
p.14 #8Official 7D Thread
junray wrote:
I guess there will be a lot of people selling off their 50D. I will be one of them. There's a bunch of upgrades on the 7D. Being a videographer background, video is one of them for me.
yeah!
But even at this many people will be buying the 50D because they can't afford the 7D. This hurts me because I just bought a new 50D so the price will drop and for once I have decided to wait on the 7 to see what bugs they can find so when I do sell my 50D the price will must likely be lower than what I can get for it now
I might add the 50D is still an awesome camera and willd stilel be an awesome camera when the 7 hits the streets
Edited on Sep 01, 2009 at 12:38 PM · View previous versions
I guess there will be a lot of people selling off their 50D. I will be one of them. There's a bunch of upgrades on the 7D. Being a videographer background, video is one of them for me.
yeah!
But even at this many people will be buying the 50D because they can't afford the 7D. This hurts me because I just bought a new 50D so the price will drop and for once I have decided to wait on the 7 to see what bugs they can find so when I do sell my 50D the price will must likely be lower than what I can get for it now
I might add the 50D is still an awesome camera and willd stilel be an awesome camera when the 7 hits the streets
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Sep 01, 2009 at 12:37 PM
p.14 #9Official 7D Thread
I have the S screen on my 40D and for me it was a waste of money. The VF is just too small and the screen isn't appreciably better for MF. The bigger VF may go a long way all by itself. No doubt a high precision option could be even better.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:37 PM
p.14 #10Official 7D Thread
dgrinde wrote:
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.
Don't judge based on RG's samples. Even his 5DII comparison shots look worse than any I've seen anywhere else, so it's understandable why his 7D ones look that way. Go to imaging-resource.com for a better comparison.
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.
Don't judge based on RG's samples. Even his 5DII comparison shots look worse than any I've seen anywhere else, so it's understandable why his 7D ones look that way. Go to imaging-resource.com for a better comparison.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:40 PM
p.14 #11Official 7D Thread
dgrinde wrote:
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.
But they have nearly twice the resolution, and so in a print will be significantly cleaner.
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.
But they have nearly twice the resolution, and so in a print will be significantly cleaner.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:40 PM
p.14 #12Official 7D Thread
dgrinde wrote:
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.
If they can keep the 40D noise levels @ 18mp, thats a major achievement IMO. Lets see how this guy does in the field.
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.
If they can keep the 40D noise levels @ 18mp, thats a major achievement IMO. Lets see how this guy does in the field.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:41 PM
p.14 #13Official 7D Thread
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Don't judge based on RG's samples. Even his 5DII comparison shots look worse than any I've seen anywhere else, so it's understandable why his 7D ones look that way. Go to imaging-resource.com for a better comparison.
One possible explanation might be because they are JPGs straight out of camera and Canon's JPG engine really does suck. I'd wait until we can play with RAW files before making a final decision. FWIW, I don't expect per pixel noise levels to be all that impressive at high ISOs. However having such a high MP crop body does have its merits. It means that with downsampling you can get decent prints at high ISOs and at low ISOs you can get lots of detail.
dgrinde wrote
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.One possible explanation might be because they are JPGs straight out of camera and Canon's JPG engine really does suck. I'd wait until we can play with RAW files before making a final decision. FWIW, I don't expect per pixel noise levels to be all that impressive at high ISOs. However having such a high MP crop body does have its merits. It means that with downsampling you can get decent prints at high ISOs and at low ISOs you can get lots of detail.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:45 PM
p.14 #14Official 7D Thread
1.6 crop? It's a nice rig, but my DsMkII and MkIII went back to work and said call us if there's another press event in December.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:52 PM
p.14 #15Official 7D Thread
thedutt wrote:
If they can keep the 40D noise levels @ 18mp, thats a major achievement IMO. Lets see how this guy does in the field.
If the 7D matches the noise levels from my 40Ds, I'll be amazed. And I'll be ordering two of them.
40D noise with an 80% increase in resolution? It's a no-brainer.
dgrinde wrote
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.If the 7D matches the noise levels from my 40Ds, I'll be amazed. And I'll be ordering two of them.
40D noise with an 80% increase in resolution? It's a no-brainer.
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:00 PM
p.14 #16Official 7D Thread
nathanlake wrote:
Has anyone bothered to go back and look at all the rumor mills to see who had accurate information about this camera?
joewoo wrote:
seriously.. i want to start making an ignore list
You have the technology; see that little (HIDE ME) button at the bottom of each post? Navigate to one of your own posts, and then click on it. Voila!
Has anyone bothered to go back and look at all the rumor mills to see who had accurate information about this camera?
joewoo wrote:
seriously.. i want to start making an ignore list
You have the technology; see that little (HIDE ME) button at the bottom of each post? Navigate to one of your own posts, and then click on it. Voila!
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:01 PM
p.14 #17Official 7D Thread
Trent Ferguson wrote:
40D noise with an 80% increase in resolution? It's a no-brainer.
Better check your math, it's nowhere near an 80% increase in resolution...
40D noise with an 80% increase in resolution? It's a no-brainer.
Better check your math, it's nowhere near an 80% increase in resolution...
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:03 PM
p.14 #18Official 7D Thread
Jeff wrote:
Better check your math, it's nowhere near an 80% increase in resolution...
80% increase in pixel resolution, not to be confused with resolving power.
Trent Ferguson wrote
40D noise with an 80% increase in resolution? It's a no-brainer.80% increase in pixel resolution, not to be confused with resolving power.
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:05 PM
p.14 #20Official 7D Thread
Trent Ferguson wrote:
If the 7D matches the noise levels from my 40Ds, I'll be amazed. And I'll be ordering two of them.
40D noise with an 80% increase in resolution? It's a no-brainer.
Agreed - my 40D does 3200 ISO very nicely.
As long as the 7D hasn't got banding problems, that's all I need to hear - my workflow is tailored to high ISO processing and does a great job with my 40D files, and only banding ever gets in the way of that a little bit...
Remember that the 7D has M-RAW too - it produces a c. 10 mp file with identical linear dimensions to the 40D's RAW files.
If the 7D matches the noise levels from my 40Ds, I'll be amazed. And I'll be ordering two of them.
40D noise with an 80% increase in resolution? It's a no-brainer.
Agreed - my 40D does 3200 ISO very nicely.
As long as the 7D hasn't got banding problems, that's all I need to hear - my workflow is tailored to high ISO processing and does a great job with my 40D files, and only banding ever gets in the way of that a little bit...
Remember that the 7D has M-RAW too - it produces a c. 10 mp file with identical linear dimensions to the 40D's RAW files.
Sep 01, 2009 at 01:11 PM