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Archive 2009Canon 7D
p.55 #2Canon 7D
keithreeder wrote:
Besides, many (and I mean many) potential D300/40D/50D buyers have absolutely zero interest in FF.
Count me as one of those.
Besides, many (and I mean many) potential D300/40D/50D buyers have absolutely zero interest in FF.
Count me as one of those.
Aug 29, 2009 at 07:09 PM
p.55 #3Canon 7D
keithreeder wrote:
"Too late" for what? Was there something you urgently had to shoot that only a "Canon D300" would be able to photograph?
I doubt it...
I'll tell you, I wasn't taken in by the hype surrounding the D300, and - guess what? - it does nothing the 40D can't do just as well, and sometimes better.
Besides, many (and I mean many) potential D300/40D/50D buyers have absolutely zero interest in FF.
Hey keithreeder! I don't know what is your problem. You don't have to be too defensive.
The fact is D300 was announced 23-Aug-07 according DP Review, around the same time as Canon 40D. That makes Canon two years later then Nikon. A lot of people came over from the Nikon camp to Canon when Rebel, 10D and 20D were kicking some Nikon's asses. I think many of them went back to Nikon because of their D300 offering. When you look at 40D and D300, it is easy to say D300 is a much feature rich and better overall camera, however, D300 is a more expensive camera. At the time 5D was around, which is a great FF, however its AF and many features are pretty much a 20D, for the price, a lot of people went with the Nikon DX route instead. The last wedding I was at I saw at least 3 D300 and maybe one 5D or could be a 5D2. I think I was the only one using a Canon, a couple of years ago, I think in the same kinda of event, I would see many many Canon and maybe one Nikon out of all. Time to market is everything, people don't wait for something to happen, they buy what the best available despite taking a loss at their lens investment. If you are happy with your APS-C camera, then it probably suit your need. My 20D was as good as I want my camera to be until I have to shoot wedding for money. If you head over to the wedding forum, everyone will tell you FF gives better images especially at high ISO. All of the wedding photographers would love to have either a 5D, 5D2, D700, D3, D3X, 1D3, 1DsII or 1DsII as their tool, that is why I said a lot of people, I don't mean the whole population in this planet earth. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "everyone", as apparently you are not interested in FF. Major of people would be fine with APS-C in their DSLRs, and many of them create just as good photos in more desirable light conditions. However, if FF is cheaper, I am sure everyone will dump their APS-C DSLRs and make the move, this is just cold hard reality. I was one of the guys once said "film is better than digital and we have no interest in digital" about 6, 7 or 8 years ago, and look now, everyone have a digital DSLR, and images are generally better and people shoot more images and learn faster this way. Sony is coming out with a cheaper FF DSLR, and I am very sure Canon and Nikon will follow as they won't allow Sony to slowly take over the DSLR market when they continue to roll out new and improved lens offerings.
henryng wrote
People don't like this because they did it too late and everyone have decided to move to FF and there is only one option the $2600 5D2.I doubt it...
I'll tell you, I wasn't taken in by the hype surrounding the D300, and - guess what? - it does nothing the 40D can't do just as well, and sometimes better.
Besides, many (and I mean many) potential D300/40D/50D buyers have absolutely zero interest in FF.
Hey keithreeder! I don't know what is your problem. You don't have to be too defensive.
The fact is D300 was announced 23-Aug-07 according DP Review, around the same time as Canon 40D. That makes Canon two years later then Nikon. A lot of people came over from the Nikon camp to Canon when Rebel, 10D and 20D were kicking some Nikon's asses. I think many of them went back to Nikon because of their D300 offering. When you look at 40D and D300, it is easy to say D300 is a much feature rich and better overall camera, however, D300 is a more expensive camera. At the time 5D was around, which is a great FF, however its AF and many features are pretty much a 20D, for the price, a lot of people went with the Nikon DX route instead. The last wedding I was at I saw at least 3 D300 and maybe one 5D or could be a 5D2. I think I was the only one using a Canon, a couple of years ago, I think in the same kinda of event, I would see many many Canon and maybe one Nikon out of all. Time to market is everything, people don't wait for something to happen, they buy what the best available despite taking a loss at their lens investment. If you are happy with your APS-C camera, then it probably suit your need. My 20D was as good as I want my camera to be until I have to shoot wedding for money. If you head over to the wedding forum, everyone will tell you FF gives better images especially at high ISO. All of the wedding photographers would love to have either a 5D, 5D2, D700, D3, D3X, 1D3, 1DsII or 1DsII as their tool, that is why I said a lot of people, I don't mean the whole population in this planet earth. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "everyone", as apparently you are not interested in FF. Major of people would be fine with APS-C in their DSLRs, and many of them create just as good photos in more desirable light conditions. However, if FF is cheaper, I am sure everyone will dump their APS-C DSLRs and make the move, this is just cold hard reality. I was one of the guys once said "film is better than digital and we have no interest in digital" about 6, 7 or 8 years ago, and look now, everyone have a digital DSLR, and images are generally better and people shoot more images and learn faster this way. Sony is coming out with a cheaper FF DSLR, and I am very sure Canon and Nikon will follow as they won't allow Sony to slowly take over the DSLR market when they continue to roll out new and improved lens offerings.
Aug 29, 2009 at 07:45 PM
p.55 #4Canon 7D
Timwim1 wrote:
Specs of the 7D are apparently :
- Approx. 18MP effective resolution APS-C CMOS sensor
- Dual DiG!C 4 imaging processors, 14-bit A/D signal conversion
- Approx. 8fps fast continuous shutter; up to 84 large high-quality JPG or 15 RAW frames
- New double-cross center AF point, new 19-point all-cross type AF
- ISO 100-6400 (expandable to ISO 12800[H])
- New 100% coverage, 1x magnification viewfinder with intelligent info display, 3D electronic horizontal level meter
- New iFCL meter system using high contrast and color detection (63-zone)
- Full HD video capture with stereo microphone jack and HDMI output jack
- LiveView shooting mode with face-detection priority AF
- New video-capture/LiveView switch
- Newly-designed streamlined body, metallic shutter sound, shutter lifespan approx. 150,000 times
- new 24mm wide-angle built-in flash supporting EOS E-TTL II (not saying it can function as a Master trigger though)
- Auto lighting optimizer
- Auto correction of lens peripheral illumination (vignetting)
- Many choices of Picture Style
- EOS Integrated Cleaning SystemI think we got a D300s killer!!
sign me up,
tim
I don't know about killer, let's firstly wait and see if it's true and what the noise is like. But if it all pans out it'll be very competitive. I wonder when the dust settles if this will affect Nikon's ETA on the D400. I heard Sony didn't have a new sensor to replace the 12.3MP one in the D300 so the D300s is still the same. However a550 has new 14.2MP sensor which might form basis of a D400 sensor? Not much of a jump in pixels (which is good) but might mean excellent noise control.
My worry with the 7D is if it still has a strong AA filter again we'll see little improvement in detail like 50D. I hope you can actually see the 18MP is of more use than just cropping.
Fred Relaix wrote
There are more pictures now on canonrumors, inluding the new 100mm macro L IS.Specs of the 7D are apparently :
- Approx. 18MP effective resolution APS-C CMOS sensor
- Dual DiG!C 4 imaging processors, 14-bit A/D signal conversion
- Approx. 8fps fast continuous shutter; up to 84 large high-quality JPG or 15 RAW frames
- New double-cross center AF point, new 19-point all-cross type AF
- ISO 100-6400 (expandable to ISO 12800[H])
- New 100% coverage, 1x magnification viewfinder with intelligent info display, 3D electronic horizontal level meter
- New iFCL meter system using high contrast and color detection (63-zone)
- Full HD video capture with stereo microphone jack and HDMI output jack
- LiveView shooting mode with face-detection priority AF
- New video-capture/LiveView switch
- Newly-designed streamlined body, metallic shutter sound, shutter lifespan approx. 150,000 times
- new 24mm wide-angle built-in flash supporting EOS E-TTL II (not saying it can function as a Master trigger though)
- Auto lighting optimizer
- Auto correction of lens peripheral illumination (vignetting)
- Many choices of Picture Style
- EOS Integrated Cleaning System
sign me up,
tim
I don't know about killer, let's firstly wait and see if it's true and what the noise is like. But if it all pans out it'll be very competitive. I wonder when the dust settles if this will affect Nikon's ETA on the D400. I heard Sony didn't have a new sensor to replace the 12.3MP one in the D300 so the D300s is still the same. However a550 has new 14.2MP sensor which might form basis of a D400 sensor? Not much of a jump in pixels (which is good) but might mean excellent noise control.
My worry with the 7D is if it still has a strong AA filter again we'll see little improvement in detail like 50D. I hope you can actually see the 18MP is of more use than just cropping.
Aug 29, 2009 at 08:20 PM
p.55 #5Canon 7D
Chris Beaumont wrote:
Nail on the head, RAW shooters are better off applying another +1 stop EC and doing it later, L is for the JPEG brigade, same as H and HTP.
Ever used ISO 50? Doesn't sound like it Chris. It's very useful in landscape shooting on many occasions, especially when water's involved.
However, I like to see true ISO 50 and L be reserved for ISO 25.
skibum5 wrote
teh fact they call it L and not 50 means it is a gimmick (all the same still useful if you shoot jpg or want to see a proper histogram)Ever used ISO 50? Doesn't sound like it Chris. It's very useful in landscape shooting on many occasions, especially when water's involved.
However, I like to see true ISO 50 and L be reserved for ISO 25.
Aug 29, 2009 at 08:23 PM
p.55 #7Canon 7D
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Nail on the head, RAW shooters are better off applying another +1 stop EC and doing it later, L is for the JPEG brigade, same as H and HTP.Ever used ISO 50? Doesn't sound like it Chris. It's very useful in landscape shooting on many occasions, especially when water's involved.
However, I like to see true ISO 50 and L be reserved for ISO 25.
Ever used ISO100 overexposed 1 stop? Yeah, on the 5D2 that is literally the same thing as ISO50. But as I said, for jpgs it makes sense and even for RAW at least the histogram looks normal when the camera does it (however using ISO100 yourself you could maybe overexpose 1/2 or 2/3 instead of 1 stop, etc.)
Chris Beaumont wrote
skibum5 wrote
teh fact they call it L and not 50 means it is a gimmick (all the same still useful if you shoot jpg or want to see a proper histogram)However, I like to see true ISO 50 and L be reserved for ISO 25.
Ever used ISO100 overexposed 1 stop? Yeah, on the 5D2 that is literally the same thing as ISO50. But as I said, for jpgs it makes sense and even for RAW at least the histogram looks normal when the camera does it (however using ISO100 yourself you could maybe overexpose 1/2 or 2/3 instead of 1 stop, etc.)
Aug 29, 2009 at 08:26 PM
p.55 #8Canon 7D
oajlu wrote:
NO built in GPS?
That's for the 7D III, just be thankful the AF has been replaced.
Well in 2007 someone on dpreview said 2008 was going to be the year of the high ISO camera for Canon and that was true, they smashed their ISO 3200 limit and went to ISO 25600. They also said 2009 would be the year they updated the AF. Looks correct again.
NO built in GPS?
That's for the 7D III, just be thankful the AF has been replaced.
Well in 2007 someone on dpreview said 2008 was going to be the year of the high ISO camera for Canon and that was true, they smashed their ISO 3200 limit and went to ISO 25600. They also said 2009 would be the year they updated the AF. Looks correct again.
Aug 29, 2009 at 08:29 PM
p.55 #9Canon 7D
henryng wrote:
Hey keithreeder! I don't know what is your problem. You don't have to be too defensive.
Defensive?
No, not at all.
I just have a real problem with baseless sweeping statements being presented as incontrovertible facts - always have.
Hey keithreeder! I don't know what is your problem. You don't have to be too defensive.
Defensive?
No, not at all.
I just have a real problem with baseless sweeping statements being presented as incontrovertible facts - always have.
Aug 29, 2009 at 08:55 PM
p.55 #10Canon 7D
When will canon upgrade the 17-55mm f2.8 to 15-55mm f2.8 (preferably 15-55mm L)? I'd be in line to buy one if they do.
Aug 29, 2009 at 09:06 PM
p.55 #11Canon 7D
keithreeder wrote:
Defensive?
No, not at all.
I just have a real problem with baseless sweeping statements being presented as incontrovertible facts - always have.
Please state my baseless sweeping statements which I used as incontrovertible facts. Can you?
henryng wrote
Hey keithreeder! I don't know what is your problem. You don't have to be too defensive.No, not at all.
I just have a real problem with baseless sweeping statements being presented as incontrovertible facts - always have.
Please state my baseless sweeping statements which I used as incontrovertible facts. Can you?
Aug 29, 2009 at 09:11 PM
p.55 #12Canon 7D
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Well in 2007 someone on dpreview said 2008 was going to be the year of the high ISO camera for Canon and that was true, they smashed their ISO 3200 limit and went to ISO 25600. They also said 2009 would be the year they updated the AF. Looks correct again.
I think ppl are really expecting the next updates to be huge improvements over the existing options. Although if they did that sort of upgrading, I would think potentially more than a 1-3 yr product cycle
I'll take baby steps over leaps and bounds.
Well in 2007 someone on dpreview said 2008 was going to be the year of the high ISO camera for Canon and that was true, they smashed their ISO 3200 limit and went to ISO 25600. They also said 2009 would be the year they updated the AF. Looks correct again.
I think ppl are really expecting the next updates to be huge improvements over the existing options. Although if they did that sort of upgrading, I would think potentially more than a 1-3 yr product cycle
I'll take baby steps over leaps and bounds.
Aug 29, 2009 at 09:14 PM
p.55 #13Canon 7D
Personally I want 7D be full-frame. Based on the latest rumors and pictures 7D will come with cropped sensor. If all the rumors turn out to be fake, then this long discussion will look very funny.
Aug 29, 2009 at 09:16 PM
p.55 #14Canon 7D
xabi wrote:
When will canon upgrade the 17-55mm f2.8 to 15-55mm f2.8 (preferably 15-55mm L)? I'd be in line to buy one if they do.
never to years is my guess
it takes a long time and the 17-55 is a fine lens
not sure it would make sense for them to do that for a long while
they don't call EF-S L, it already uses L design internally (if maybe not L build for that one)
When will canon upgrade the 17-55mm f2.8 to 15-55mm f2.8 (preferably 15-55mm L)? I'd be in line to buy one if they do.
never to years is my guess
it takes a long time and the 17-55 is a fine lens
not sure it would make sense for them to do that for a long while
they don't call EF-S L, it already uses L design internally (if maybe not L build for that one)
Aug 29, 2009 at 09:18 PM
p.55 #15Canon 7D
twilighter wrote:
Personally I want 7D be full-frame. Based on the latest rumors and pictures 7D will come with cropped sensor. If all the rumors turn out to be fake, then this long discussion will look very funny.
According to the info. on the box pics shown here, it's a 1.6 crop. Plenty of speculation threads on FM turn out to be wrong, never seems to dissuade people from making prophesies.
Personally I want 7D be full-frame. Based on the latest rumors and pictures 7D will come with cropped sensor. If all the rumors turn out to be fake, then this long discussion will look very funny.
According to the info. on the box pics shown here, it's a 1.6 crop. Plenty of speculation threads on FM turn out to be wrong, never seems to dissuade people from making prophesies.
Aug 29, 2009 at 09:27 PM
p.55 #16Canon 7D
it definitely won't be FF no matter how bad everyone wants it to be.
Aug 29, 2009 at 09:38 PM
p.55 #17Canon 7D
skibum5 wrote:
never to years is my guess
it takes a long time and the 17-55 is a fine lens
not sure it would make sense for them to do that for a long while
they don't call EF-S L, it already uses L design internally (if maybe not L build for that one)
Do you have info on the 17-55, where it has L designs internally?
xabi wrote
When will canon upgrade the 17-55mm f2.8 to 15-55mm f2.8 (preferably 15-55mm L)? I'd be in line to buy one if they do.it takes a long time and the 17-55 is a fine lens
not sure it would make sense for them to do that for a long while
they don't call EF-S L, it already uses L design internally (if maybe not L build for that one)
Do you have info on the 17-55, where it has L designs internally?
Aug 29, 2009 at 09:51 PM
p.55 #18Canon 7D
RobertLynn wrote:
Do you have info on the 17-55, where it has L designs internally?
In the results, that's where. It's well known that the IQ of the 17-55IS is of L quality.
Do you have info on the 17-55, where it has L designs internally?
In the results, that's where. It's well known that the IQ of the 17-55IS is of L quality.
Aug 29, 2009 at 09:56 PM
p.55 #19Canon 7D
LoneWolf2 wrote:
it definitely won't be FF no matter how bad everyone wants it to be.
The new Sony A850 is full-frame and will be sold for $2000.
Nikon D700 is full-frame and has been well known for a good AF system.
Canon will disappoint many of us by announcing a 7D with a cropped-sensor. They are likely to lose some market share to Sony and Nikon because of this.
I hope the rumors and the posted pictures turn out to be fake.
Now let's just think about how Sony competed with Nintendo and Sega.
it definitely won't be FF no matter how bad everyone wants it to be.
The new Sony A850 is full-frame and will be sold for $2000.
Nikon D700 is full-frame and has been well known for a good AF system.
Canon will disappoint many of us by announcing a 7D with a cropped-sensor. They are likely to lose some market share to Sony and Nikon because of this.
I hope the rumors and the posted pictures turn out to be fake.
Now let's just think about how Sony competed with Nintendo and Sega.
Aug 29, 2009 at 10:06 PM
p.55 #20Canon 7D
I think that anyone that thinks Canon is going to introduce an 18 MP, high FPS, FF camera with pro or near pro AF so soon after releasing the 5D MkII has been smoking waaaaaaay, too much wacky weed.
Aug 29, 2009 at 10:12 PM