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Archive 2009Canon 7D
p.40 #1Canon 7D
I don't want one. I just wish the two 5Ds I have were better at focusing in very low light and could shoot at ISO 6400 the way they do at 3200.
Sold my last crop cam this week. Have no intention of buying another.
Looks like a great crop cam for those who like that sort of thing though.
Sold my last crop cam this week. Have no intention of buying another.
Looks like a great crop cam for those who like that sort of thing though.
Aug 28, 2009 at 12:39 PM
p.40 #2Canon 7D
chez wrote:
.... When Nikon answered, they did not take any short cuts and came out strong with their current generation of cameras. Hopefully Canon does not behave like Canon of old and cripple some feature...
That's my concern... Canon protecting each of their camera tiers ( Rebel, Prosumer, Pro) by crippling their cameras to a point where Nikon is way ahead at each price point. Seems like Nikon let it all hang out and as chez says... did not take any shortcuts.
.... When Nikon answered, they did not take any short cuts and came out strong with their current generation of cameras. Hopefully Canon does not behave like Canon of old and cripple some feature...
That's my concern... Canon protecting each of their camera tiers ( Rebel, Prosumer, Pro) by crippling their cameras to a point where Nikon is way ahead at each price point. Seems like Nikon let it all hang out and as chez says... did not take any shortcuts.
Aug 28, 2009 at 12:58 PM
p.40 #3Canon 7D
Johnny V wrote:
That's my concern... Canon protecting each of their camera tiers ( Rebel, Prosumer, Pro) by crippling their cameras to a point where Nikon is way ahead at each price point. Seems like Nikon let it all hang out and as chez says... did not take any shortcuts.
With the information available (which is hardly concrete), there is nothing that "appears" to have been compromised. The fact that it looks like an effort was made to put pro AF in the thing is encouraging - very encouraging.
chez wrote
.... When Nikon answered, they did not take any short cuts and came out strong with their current generation of cameras. Hopefully Canon does not behave like Canon of old and cripple some feature...With the information available (which is hardly concrete), there is nothing that "appears" to have been compromised. The fact that it looks like an effort was made to put pro AF in the thing is encouraging - very encouraging.
Aug 28, 2009 at 01:04 PM
p.40 #4Canon 7D
CR has a new update for their site...Nice specs, nice camera...Nice lens choices also, the 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM and the to come closer to the 24-105, and the 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS(Doesn't appear to be USM). See how the reviews post....
Aug 28, 2009 at 01:14 PM
p.40 #5Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
[....The fact that it looks like an effort was made to put pro AF in the thing is encouraging - very encouraging.
Yep I agree, looks encouraging... I hope Canon is learning from Nikon and not hold back.
[....The fact that it looks like an effort was made to put pro AF in the thing is encouraging - very encouraging.
Yep I agree, looks encouraging... I hope Canon is learning from Nikon and not hold back.
Aug 28, 2009 at 01:14 PM
p.40 #6Canon 7D
Johnny V wrote:
That's my concern... Canon protecting each of their camera tiers ( Rebel, Prosumer, Pro) by crippling their cameras to a point where Nikon is way ahead at each price point. Seems like Nikon let it all hang out and as chez says... did not take any shortcuts.
They didn't "let it all hang out" until august of 2007. In fact, for the 5 or 6 years before that Nikon's offerings were obviously second rate. The official Nikon line at the time was that full frame was overrated, and CCD sensors were as good as CMOS. I don't blame Canon for going with incremental improvements - there was absolutely no reason for them to go nuts. When Nikon finally challenged them, it took time (and likely lost marketshare) for Canon to respond.
chez wrote
.... When Nikon answered, they did not take any short cuts and came out strong with their current generation of cameras. Hopefully Canon does not behave like Canon of old and cripple some feature...They didn't "let it all hang out" until august of 2007. In fact, for the 5 or 6 years before that Nikon's offerings were obviously second rate. The official Nikon line at the time was that full frame was overrated, and CCD sensors were as good as CMOS. I don't blame Canon for going with incremental improvements - there was absolutely no reason for them to go nuts. When Nikon finally challenged them, it took time (and likely lost marketshare) for Canon to respond.
Aug 28, 2009 at 01:14 PM
p.40 #7Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
That's my concern... Canon protecting each of their camera tiers ( Rebel, Prosumer, Pro) by crippling their cameras to a point where Nikon is way ahead at each price point. Seems like Nikon let it all hang out and as chez says... did not take any shortcuts.With the information available (which is hardly concrete), there is nothing that "appears" to have been compromised. The fact that it looks like an effort was made to put pro AF in the thing is encouraging - very encouraging.
This camera looks really good on spec indeed. However, I too made a decision to go FF in the near future and got rid of all my EF-S or other EF crop lenses recently, so I am not interested in buying another crop camera especially a high-end(higher price) one.
Johnny V wrote
chez wrote
.... When Nikon answered, they did not take any short cuts and came out strong with their current generation of cameras. Hopefully Canon does not behave like Canon of old and cripple some feature...This camera looks really good on spec indeed. However, I too made a decision to go FF in the near future and got rid of all my EF-S or other EF crop lenses recently, so I am not interested in buying another crop camera especially a high-end(higher price) one.
Aug 28, 2009 at 01:17 PM
p.40 #8Canon 7D
henryng wrote:
....This camera looks really good on spec indeed. However, I too made a decision to go FF in the near future and got rid of all my EF-S or other EF crop lenses recently, so I am not interested in buying another crop camera especially a high-end(higher price) one.
Agreed. If only they had done a little more with the 5DII's AF and fps.
....This camera looks really good on spec indeed. However, I too made a decision to go FF in the near future and got rid of all my EF-S or other EF crop lenses recently, so I am not interested in buying another crop camera especially a high-end(higher price) one.
Agreed. If only they had done a little more with the 5DII's AF and fps.
Aug 28, 2009 at 01:24 PM
p.40 #9Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
That's a contradiction: if there is a large gap between rebel and 7d, then they can fill that gap with the xxd line. Only if there is not a big gap will there be no need for an xxD.
Relax. None of us believed that they would make a non-1 series with pro AF, and it appears they have.
They can fill that gap, but the xxd line will languish further in that space. That line ha no room for meaningful upgrades without running smack into 7d territory. Expect all future updates to be 20d-30d caliber or worse.
nads wrote
2). They may as well get rid of the xxd series because none of the improvements fro the 7d (vf, af, etc. ) are ever going to make it to the xxd series... There is going to be a stunningly large gap between the top level rebel and the 7d with no feature differentiating product to fill the gap.Relax. None of us believed that they would make a non-1 series with pro AF, and it appears they have.
They can fill that gap, but the xxd line will languish further in that space. That line ha no room for meaningful upgrades without running smack into 7d territory. Expect all future updates to be 20d-30d caliber or worse.
Aug 28, 2009 at 01:28 PM
p.40 #10Canon 7D
Peyton wrote:
maybe a 1.3x cropper @ 18mp....I'd probably buy that.
Guess I'll have to wait til Tuesday to find out for sure!
Yeah a 1.3x cropper @ 18Mpxls that allows the use of EF-s lenses in a DX mode equivalent at 10-12Mpxls.
I'll take two
maybe a 1.3x cropper @ 18mp....I'd probably buy that.
Guess I'll have to wait til Tuesday to find out for sure!
Yeah a 1.3x cropper @ 18Mpxls that allows the use of EF-s lenses in a DX mode equivalent at 10-12Mpxls.
I'll take two
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:07 PM
p.40 #11Canon 7D
Will Patterson wrote:
no, the xxD have much faster mirror/shutter/many more fps
the 5 series are rebels with FF sensors.......
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Are you serious? Wow, my 5D must have been a waste. Shoulda bought a few XTi's and called it a day.i didn't say it was a waste or that it WAS an XTi I said it was a Rebel WITH A FF SENSOR.
and it is body performance-wise in many respects.
3fps, longgg mirror blackout, long (compared to top DSLR) shutter delay
granted the AF was better and the bod specs are mostly a TAD above rebels, but below, to far below xxD or 1 series.
you can't seriously claim the 5D was a high spec body can you? other than in terms of the sensoractually yes I would. The 5d was/is still a better camera to hold in your hands, it had much better high iso capabilities, better controls than the rebel, and the rebels felt like something from toys r us.
yeah it has better high iso but that is from teh FF sensor which I said ti obviously has, it is more like rebel body performance (slow fps, long mirror blackout, long for a higher-end dslr trigger reaction time) than xxD
or did you 5D deliver 6.3fps or more, have barely noticeably mirror blackout and instant reaction? come one shoot a few minutes of sports with a 5D2 (FASTER than the 5D) and then with a 50D and the 50D feels like it will jump out of your hands (not saying i think the 50D is better, but it is way faster in those respects).
skibum5 wrote
RobertLynn wrote
skibum5 wrote
EOS20 wrote
Isn't the 5 series already just a XXD series camera with a full framed sensor and no pop up flash?the 5 series are rebels with FF sensors....
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Are you serious? Wow, my 5D must have been a waste. Shoulda bought a few XTi's and called it a day.
and it is body performance-wise in many respects.
3fps, longgg mirror blackout, long (compared to top DSLR) shutter delay
granted the AF was better and the bod specs are mostly a TAD above rebels, but below, to far below xxD or 1 series.
you can't seriously claim the 5D was a high spec body can you? other than in terms of the sensor
yeah it has better high iso but that is from teh FF sensor which I said ti obviously has, it is more like rebel body performance (slow fps, long mirror blackout, long for a higher-end dslr trigger reaction time) than xxD
or did you 5D deliver 6.3fps or more, have barely noticeably mirror blackout and instant reaction? come one shoot a few minutes of sports with a 5D2 (FASTER than the 5D) and then with a 50D and the 50D feels like it will jump out of your hands (not saying i think the 50D is better, but it is way faster in those respects).
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:20 PM
p.40 #12Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
um, back to the topic at hand. Assuming that the BB (eg LIST) price is right at $2700, what's the likely street? $2000?
i think $1800 would be more realistic
um, back to the topic at hand. Assuming that the BB (eg LIST) price is right at $2700, what's the likely street? $2000?
i think $1800 would be more realistic
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:23 PM
p.40 #13Canon 7D
pgriedl wrote:
From canonrumors:
The top says "Double Speed.100%ViewCoverage"
The side says:
18MP
Dual Digic 4
8 FPS?
All Cross-type 19 point AF
ISO 6400
63 metering zones
100%coverage of Optical Viewfinder
Artificial Intelligence something
3" LCD something
EOS something FullHD (I guess the blurred word is movie)
LIVE VIEW
how is 8fps double-speed from 6.3fps
i wonder what they mean by that??
most importantly though:
OK, so they say 19pt all cross-type. Other rumors say a baby version of the new 1D4 AF.
Critical points as to whether this camera is finally what the 50D should have been or will still fail to fully deliver for action:
1. Will it process at the same speed using the same logic as the 1D4?
2. Will it have 6 assist points for the main point or, as some rumors suggest, NO assist points and a, somewhat useless for sports and action, addition of 10 extra regular points scattered all over?
3. It is the MkIII sensor and logic only with all helpers removed
my guess is:
1. yes
2. no
3. let's hope not!
no for #2 would be a real shame especially if the main point is even more quick to jump off target than the 50D.
If it is yes,yes,no then the AF should totally rock though....
From canonrumors:
The top says "Double Speed.100%ViewCoverage"
The side says:
18MP
Dual Digic 4
8 FPS?
All Cross-type 19 point AF
ISO 6400
63 metering zones
100%coverage of Optical Viewfinder
Artificial Intelligence something
3" LCD something
EOS something FullHD (I guess the blurred word is movie)
LIVE VIEW
how is 8fps double-speed from 6.3fps
i wonder what they mean by that??
most importantly though:
OK, so they say 19pt all cross-type. Other rumors say a baby version of the new 1D4 AF.
Critical points as to whether this camera is finally what the 50D should have been or will still fail to fully deliver for action:
1. Will it process at the same speed using the same logic as the 1D4?
2. Will it have 6 assist points for the main point or, as some rumors suggest, NO assist points and a, somewhat useless for sports and action, addition of 10 extra regular points scattered all over?
3. It is the MkIII sensor and logic only with all helpers removed
my guess is:
1. yes
2. no
3. let's hope not!
no for #2 would be a real shame especially if the main point is even more quick to jump off target than the 50D.
If it is yes,yes,no then the AF should totally rock though....
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:25 PM
p.40 #14Canon 7D
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Also the 19 AF points are apparently all cross type.No it 64MP and ISO 1800
don't be ridiculous it is 8MP and 18million frames per second
canon did say the design goal was to make this fastest DSLR ever!
Fred Relaix wrote
Apparently it says 1800x10.000, so 18mp.Also the 19 AF points are apparently all cross type.
don't be ridiculous it is 8MP and 18million frames per second
canon did say the design goal was to make this fastest DSLR ever!
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:27 PM
p.40 #15Canon 7D
Glen_C wrote:
and to think people thought canon "learned" because the G11 had less MP
the only really good thing about this 18mp small sensor body is the hope it brings that perhaps in a few years canon will put a larger sensor in a similar body with pro-like AF at a 5d-like price.
Between this and the 5DmkII canon could not have come any closer but ULTIMATELY BUNGLE & limit the final product from greater capability (5D2 af system limit, 7D MP overload on small sensor)
I wish they had given the dual-digic and improved mirror box and AFmodule to the 5 series and given us out 3D....
seriously imagine 5D2 were to arrive now with 18MP, 8fps, new AF.... at $3100-$3400.
It would be all praise I bet.
I mean the 7D may be cool but canon seems now to do nothing but react and then when nikon puts out a D700x it will take canon, once the sole FF player, like another year two to get a 3D out....
and to think people thought canon "learned" because the G11 had less MP
the only really good thing about this 18mp small sensor body is the hope it brings that perhaps in a few years canon will put a larger sensor in a similar body with pro-like AF at a 5d-like price.
Between this and the 5DmkII canon could not have come any closer but ULTIMATELY BUNGLE & limit the final product from greater capability (5D2 af system limit, 7D MP overload on small sensor)
I wish they had given the dual-digic and improved mirror box and AFmodule to the 5 series and given us out 3D....
seriously imagine 5D2 were to arrive now with 18MP, 8fps, new AF.... at $3100-$3400.
It would be all praise I bet.
I mean the 7D may be cool but canon seems now to do nothing but react and then when nikon puts out a D700x it will take canon, once the sole FF player, like another year two to get a 3D out....
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:30 PM
p.40 #16Canon 7D
Chris Beaumont wrote:
19 Cross type AF points.....does that mean it's got the 1DIII AF system minus the assist points ?
i hope to hell not
if the goal of the cam is to be a prosumer action shooter it NEEDS the main point assists, but doesn't more useless for action regular points!
the 50D was very twitchy with the center point this thing might be even twitchier still if it has no assist points
IMO this might in some ways make or break whether this is everything people had been hoping for in a 60D or just another regular release in the line
19 Cross type AF points.....does that mean it's got the 1DIII AF system minus the assist points ?
i hope to hell not
if the goal of the cam is to be a prosumer action shooter it NEEDS the main point assists, but doesn't more useless for action regular points!
the 50D was very twitchy with the center point this thing might be even twitchier still if it has no assist points
IMO this might in some ways make or break whether this is everything people had been hoping for in a 60D or just another regular release in the line
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:32 PM
p.40 #17Canon 7D
skibum5 wrote:
how is 8fps double-speed from 6.3fps
i wonder what they mean by that??
I suspect they mean dual processor.
how is 8fps double-speed from 6.3fps
i wonder what they mean by that??
I suspect they mean dual processor.
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:32 PM
p.40 #18Canon 7D
michael49 wrote:
You mean limit at 6400 iso
Agreed. We'll see.
It just pisses me off what Canon does with the 5D II's AF and then they make this 1.6X camera. Will Canon never make a 5D sized FF camera with semi-pro AF, like the D700? Because I really want just one camera and that would do it for me.
the ironic thing is if they simply chopped off the assist points which is what a pure action cam like the 7D NEEDS and put that in the 7D instead of the 5D2 and then put in the 5D2 a sensor with assist points!
we'll see, hopefully not, but i really fear the 7D will have no assist points and just more outer cross points which would be more suited for a wedding/portrait cam....
Fred Relaix wrote
[You mean limit at 6400 iso
It just pisses me off what Canon does with the 5D II's AF and then they make this 1.6X camera. Will Canon never make a 5D sized FF camera with semi-pro AF, like the D700? Because I really want just one camera and that would do it for me.
the ironic thing is if they simply chopped off the assist points which is what a pure action cam like the 7D NEEDS and put that in the 7D instead of the 5D2 and then put in the 5D2 a sensor with assist points!
we'll see, hopefully not, but i really fear the 7D will have no assist points and just more outer cross points which would be more suited for a wedding/portrait cam....
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:35 PM
p.40 #19Canon 7D
keithreeder wrote:
Which removes the point of its oft-touted MP/cropping advantage over the 40D at a stroke, of course...
pick 1:
1. 18MP quality at low ISO and 8MP quality at high ISO
2. 8MP at all ISO
isn't 1 the better option
kakomu wrote
Some say that... downsized to 40D res, it's the same or better.pick 1:
1. 18MP quality at low ISO and 8MP quality at high ISO
2. 8MP at all ISO
isn't 1 the better option
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:38 PM
p.40 #20Canon 7D
If this is 1.3 crop, I'd consider buying for wedding work. I don't think it can be FF. It would destroy the 5DII. If it's 1.6, I'm not interested.
Aug 28, 2009 at 02:39 PM