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p.3 #1Canon 7D
32067dlm wrote:
It's not going to happen. Assuming any of this is true, it is starting to look more and more like a 50D with video. I think adding a camera between the 5DII and the 50D is foolish. We would win, but not a good business move. I would much prefer a blend of the 5DII, 1DIII, and 1DsIII. Put them in a food processor, then "bam", perfect camera at $3499. I'm not sure that will happen either. It would be hard to create a Full Frame Rebel-like camera with a price point above the 50D. So I'm back to thinking...Show more →
I actually think adding a model between the 50D and 5D is quite smart as the price difference between the 2 is >$1500. I'm sure there is a market in there somewhere.
It's not going to happen. Assuming any of this is true, it is starting to look more and more like a 50D with video. I think adding a camera between the 5DII and the 50D is foolish. We would win, but not a good business move. I would much prefer a blend of the 5DII, 1DIII, and 1DsIII. Put them in a food processor, then "bam", perfect camera at $3499. I'm not sure that will happen either. It would be hard to create a Full Frame Rebel-like camera with a price point above the 50D. So I'm back to thinking...Show more →
I actually think adding a model between the 50D and 5D is quite smart as the price difference between the 2 is >$1500. I'm sure there is a market in there somewhere.
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:21 AM
p.3 #2Canon 7D
Sean Mills wrote:
My wish is
16.2mp (warm over of the 1ds2 sensor with current ISO capabilities)
1 series AF
5D2 body
Live view
Anything else, including flash and video and print buttons is just gravy.
This would be ideal for me. Even dumb it down with 720p video. Perfect camera, and I'd pay $3k+ for it!
My wish is
16.2mp (warm over of the 1ds2 sensor with current ISO capabilities)
1 series AF
5D2 body
Live view
Anything else, including flash and video and print buttons is just gravy.
This would be ideal for me. Even dumb it down with 720p video. Perfect camera, and I'd pay $3k+ for it!
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:21 AM
p.3 #3Canon 7D
Though I've never missed the built in flash, I'm not sure why there's so much aversion to it. Imo there are far more useless features (e.g. RAW mode for a JPG shooter, AI Servo for a Landscape shooter, Video for a photographer etc). Just because some of us don't use it, does that mean we should not have features like RAW mode, AI Servo, video etc?
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:22 AM
p.3 #4Canon 7D
32067dlm wrote:
It's not going to happen. Assuming any of this is true, it is starting to look more and more like a 50D with video. I think adding a camera between the 5DII and the 50D is foolish. We would win, but not a good business move. I would much prefer a blend of the 5DII, 1DIII, and 1DsIII. Put them in a food processor, then "bam", perfect camera at $3499. I'm not sure that will happen either. It would be hard to create a Full Frame Rebel-like camera with a price point above the 50D. So I'm back to thinking...Show more →
Having a "blend" of 1D, 1Ds and 5D would be even worst business move. This would kill 1Ds series for sure...
It's not going to happen. Assuming any of this is true, it is starting to look more and more like a 50D with video. I think adding a camera between the 5DII and the 50D is foolish. We would win, but not a good business move. I would much prefer a blend of the 5DII, 1DIII, and 1DsIII. Put them in a food processor, then "bam", perfect camera at $3499. I'm not sure that will happen either. It would be hard to create a Full Frame Rebel-like camera with a price point above the 50D. So I'm back to thinking...Show more →
Having a "blend" of 1D, 1Ds and 5D would be even worst business move. This would kill 1Ds series for sure...
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:25 AM
p.3 #5Canon 7D
i still think it's going to be a crop camera, aimed at the D300s.
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:26 AM
p.3 #6Canon 7D
Dawei Ye wrote:
Though I've never missed the built in flash, I'm not sure why there's so much aversion to it. Imo there are far more useless features (e.g. RAW mode for a JPG shooter, AI Servo for a Landscape shooter, Video for a photographer etc). Just because some of us don't use it, does that mean we should not have features like RAW mode, AI Servo, video etc?
For me, it's really not a matter of using it or not, although I don't, it's a matter of trade-offs. Built in flash = huge bubble on top of camera or smaller viewfinder! Also have you ever tried using the pop up flash with a large lens? Say 24-70 with hood?
Though I've never missed the built in flash, I'm not sure why there's so much aversion to it. Imo there are far more useless features (e.g. RAW mode for a JPG shooter, AI Servo for a Landscape shooter, Video for a photographer etc). Just because some of us don't use it, does that mean we should not have features like RAW mode, AI Servo, video etc?
For me, it's really not a matter of using it or not, although I don't, it's a matter of trade-offs. Built in flash = huge bubble on top of camera or smaller viewfinder! Also have you ever tried using the pop up flash with a large lens? Say 24-70 with hood?
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:26 AM
p.3 #7Canon 7D
kosin wrote:
Having a "blend" of 1D, 1Ds and 5D would be even worst business move. This would kill 1Ds series for sure...
I said I didn't think it would happen.
32067dlm wrote
It's not going to happen. Assuming any of this is true, it is starting to look more and more like a 50D with video. I think adding a camera between the 5DII and the 50D is foolish. We would win, but not a good business move. I would much prefer a blend of the 5DII, 1DIII, and 1DsIII. Put them in a food processor, then "bam", perfect camera at $3499. I'm not sure that will happen either. It would be hard to create a Full Frame Rebel-like camera with a price point above the 50D. So I'm back to thinking the 5DII is the best mix for me. Isn't if funny how we each think our dream camera is reasonable, yet they're so different?I said I didn't think it would happen.
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:27 AM
p.3 #8Canon 7D
abam wrote:
i still think it's going to be a crop camera, aimed at the D300s.
But the autofocus can't be significantly better than the 5DII which is aimed at Nikon's D700!
i still think it's going to be a crop camera, aimed at the D300s.
But the autofocus can't be significantly better than the 5DII which is aimed at Nikon's D700!
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:29 AM
p.3 #9Canon 7D
It looks to be slightly smaller than a 5D in body size, about the same overall outside dimensions as a 50D but still looks smaller, yet big enough have to control knob on the left.
If its rumoured price ( close to the 5Dii) is anything to go by, its a pretty high spec'd camera.
I hazarding a guess of a APS-H (~12-16Mp) , 6-8 fps, New AF camera spec's, which outstrip anything below the 1D that Canon has produced so far. Based on relative premium for cameras that people have been willing to pay for the 1D and 1Ds, its what I'm guessing it will turn out.
The xxD range will remain the 'enthusiast' series for hobbyists.
Or its the replacement moniker for the xxD range altogether ? Since they now have the absolute 'entry range' covered by the xxxxD series. And the xxxD is supposed to be 1 level up ?
If its rumoured price ( close to the 5Dii) is anything to go by, its a pretty high spec'd camera.
I hazarding a guess of a APS-H (~12-16Mp) , 6-8 fps, New AF camera spec's, which outstrip anything below the 1D that Canon has produced so far. Based on relative premium for cameras that people have been willing to pay for the 1D and 1Ds, its what I'm guessing it will turn out.
The xxD range will remain the 'enthusiast' series for hobbyists.
Or its the replacement moniker for the xxD range altogether ? Since they now have the absolute 'entry range' covered by the xxxxD series. And the xxxD is supposed to be 1 level up ?
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:29 AM
p.3 #10Canon 7D
Don't get your hopes up for a cheaper FF camera. I just can't see the business justification for this right now.
Going by past Canon naming practice a '7D' model would be a lower end, less feature-spec'd camera than a '5D' model.
Going by past Canon naming practice a '7D' model would be a lower end, less feature-spec'd camera than a '5D' model.
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:34 AM
p.3 #11Canon 7D
snoooooore,,,,
and FYI, the 1D bodies have mic's for more than five years, and not one has video yet.
and FYI, the 1D bodies have mic's for more than five years, and not one has video yet.
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:37 AM
p.3 #12Canon 7D
maxxevv wrote:
It looks to be slightly smaller than a 5D is body size, about the same overall outside dimensions as a 50D, yet big enough have to control knob on the left.
If its rumoured price is anything to go by, its a pretty high spec'd camera.
I hazarding a guess of a APS-H (~12-16Mp) , 6-8 fps, New AF camera spec's, which outstrip anything below the 1D that Canon has produced so far. Based on relative premium for cameras that people have been willing to pay for the 1D and 1Ds, its what I'm guessing it will turn out.
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I don't think it will happen, but I'd buy the first (APS-H) camera you described. My philosophy is that if I approach silly season with pessimism, I will be delightfully content with whatever's announced. I don't get my hopes up too seriously about the 3D, so I can be happy buying a 5DII! A real camera.
It looks to be slightly smaller than a 5D is body size, about the same overall outside dimensions as a 50D, yet big enough have to control knob on the left.
If its rumoured price is anything to go by, its a pretty high spec'd camera.
I hazarding a guess of a APS-H (~12-16Mp) , 6-8 fps, New AF camera spec's, which outstrip anything below the 1D that Canon has produced so far. Based on relative premium for cameras that people have been willing to pay for the 1D and 1Ds, its what I'm guessing it will turn out.
The...Show more →
I don't think it will happen, but I'd buy the first (APS-H) camera you described. My philosophy is that if I approach silly season with pessimism, I will be delightfully content with whatever's announced. I don't get my hopes up too seriously about the 3D, so I can be happy buying a 5DII! A real camera.
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:43 AM
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p.3 #13Canon 7D
jamesf99 wrote:
If it's full-frame, what's the point of releasing this camera unless to attack SoNikon where it hurts? Low body price and lots of EF lens sales.Why would you want a lower end camera? I understand the price aspect...
...because I want full frame but can do without AF, 21 Mpixels, weather sealing, 4 fps, 1080p, liveview etcetera. Basically a 5D sensor in a really cheap body is great for me. I won't sell my 5D2's, but I will buy 1 or 2 of these if they are full-frame and really cheap, i.e. £800 or less. Canon revolutionised the market by putting full-frame sensors in 1D, then 5D. They made a bunch of cash out of full-frame at all, or cheaper than anyone. Why not continue the party with something like a 5D sensor in a really cheap body? I think punters would buy handfuls of them, and that's why the built-in flash makes sense.
>I make no bones about it, a built in flash (for me) is like tits on a bull (I'm sure you have a similar expression in the UK). :)
We say "as useful as a chocolate teapot". Actually my father has a funnier expression from his Navy days but it's unrepeatable here.
The D700 shows that built-in flashes and good viewfinders are entirely separate concerns. It's not one or the other. I shoot a lot of flash pictures and built-in flashes work well for me. I like the way they cast little shadow and run off the same battery as the camera. You don't need to remember to carry them, and you don't need to carry them. Convenient.
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Please please please cheap full-frame with built-in flash. Please.If it's full-frame, what's the point of releasing this camera unless to attack SoNikon where it hurts? Low body price and lots of EF lens sales.
...because I want full frame but can do without AF, 21 Mpixels, weather sealing, 4 fps, 1080p, liveview etcetera. Basically a 5D sensor in a really cheap body is great for me. I won't sell my 5D2's, but I will buy 1 or 2 of these if they are full-frame and really cheap, i.e. £800 or less. Canon revolutionised the market by putting full-frame sensors in 1D, then 5D. They made a bunch of cash out of full-frame at all, or cheaper than anyone. Why not continue the party with something like a 5D sensor in a really cheap body? I think punters would buy handfuls of them, and that's why the built-in flash makes sense.
>I make no bones about it, a built in flash (for me) is like tits on a bull (I'm sure you have a similar expression in the UK). :)
We say "as useful as a chocolate teapot". Actually my father has a funnier expression from his Navy days but it's unrepeatable here.
The D700 shows that built-in flashes and good viewfinders are entirely separate concerns. It's not one or the other. I shoot a lot of flash pictures and built-in flashes work well for me. I like the way they cast little shadow and run off the same battery as the camera. You don't need to remember to carry them, and you don't need to carry them. Convenient.
Aug 19, 2009 at 09:51 AM
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p.3 #14Canon 7D
32067dlm wrote:
But the autofocus can't be significantly better than the 5DII which is aimed at Nikon's D700!
Nah I disagree with that, the 5DII and D700 are vastly different, they just both have full frame sensors and cost around the same, feature wise they're chalk and cheese, the D700 is a "jack of all trades" (and arguably master of none) pro-level camera in a compact body. The 5DII is pretty tailored towards studio and landscape work, a 1Ds for those that don't need 'pro' AF or build quality.
abam wrote
i still think it's going to be a crop camera, aimed at the D300s.Nah I disagree with that, the 5DII and D700 are vastly different, they just both have full frame sensors and cost around the same, feature wise they're chalk and cheese, the D700 is a "jack of all trades" (and arguably master of none) pro-level camera in a compact body. The 5DII is pretty tailored towards studio and landscape work, a 1Ds for those that don't need 'pro' AF or build quality.
Aug 19, 2009 at 10:12 AM
p.3 #15Canon 7D
"Please please please cheap full-frame"
Amen to that. I've a 5D2 as well, and I love it. But I would like a basic affordable FF backup, don't need stellar fast AF, don't need weather sealing, quite frankly can cope with Rebel body quality with FF if, and this is the big if, the price is right. A well priced plastic fantastic FF body would certainly have me reaching for my chequebook.
I would prefer to spend my money on Canon lenses than bodies, lenses will be around longer!
Amen to that. I've a 5D2 as well, and I love it. But I would like a basic affordable FF backup, don't need stellar fast AF, don't need weather sealing, quite frankly can cope with Rebel body quality with FF if, and this is the big if, the price is right. A well priced plastic fantastic FF body would certainly have me reaching for my chequebook.
I would prefer to spend my money on Canon lenses than bodies, lenses will be around longer!
Aug 19, 2009 at 10:19 AM
p.3 #16Canon 7D
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"There are whispers that the Best Buy inventory system is listing the body at $2700 and the kit with an EF 28-135 lens at $2900, but we can't verify those at the moment."
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Aug 19, 2009 at 10:22 AM
p.3 #17Canon 7D
If it is full frame and has pro-level AF and weather sealing, good high ISO performance, with decent resolution, I'd buy it at that price. That's the 3D we've been talking about.
I could care less about the FPS and the actual resolution, as long as the AF is good. It would also be a plus to have at least 98% viewfinder coverage.
I could care less about the FPS and the actual resolution, as long as the AF is good. It would also be a plus to have at least 98% viewfinder coverage.
Aug 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM
p.3 #18Canon 7D
David Baldwin wrote:
"Please please please cheap full-frame"
Amen to that. I've a 5D2 as well, and I love it. But I would like a basic affordable FF backup, don't need stellar fast AF, don't need weather sealing, quite frankly can cope with Rebel body quality with FF if, and this is the big if, the price is right. A well priced plastic fantastic FF body would certainly have me reaching for my chequebook.
I would prefer to spend my money on Canon lenses than bodies, lenses will be around longer!
Agree.......I always think that the original Rebel was groundbreaking in a sense that it was the first dSLR in the market available to the masses under $1000....... Now the next hurdle is for the first full dSLR to follow that route.
..........I know it's wishful thinking but it'll get there.
"Please please please cheap full-frame"
Amen to that. I've a 5D2 as well, and I love it. But I would like a basic affordable FF backup, don't need stellar fast AF, don't need weather sealing, quite frankly can cope with Rebel body quality with FF if, and this is the big if, the price is right. A well priced plastic fantastic FF body would certainly have me reaching for my chequebook.
I would prefer to spend my money on Canon lenses than bodies, lenses will be around longer!
Agree.......I always think that the original Rebel was groundbreaking in a sense that it was the first dSLR in the market available to the masses under $1000....... Now the next hurdle is for the first full dSLR to follow that route.
..........I know it's wishful thinking but it'll get there.
Aug 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM
p.3 #19Canon 7D
cmM. wrote:
If that's fake, I gotta give props to whoever photoshopped that, it looks quite convincing.
As for the pop-up flash, I think it's a waste of space.
cmM.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing. I was looking for tell-tale lighting and shadow irregularities but couldn't find any. Tantalizing.
As far as pop-up flash goes...in a pinch I'll take it over not having any extra light. Count me in.
If that's fake, I gotta give props to whoever photoshopped that, it looks quite convincing.
As for the pop-up flash, I think it's a waste of space.
cmM.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing. I was looking for tell-tale lighting and shadow irregularities but couldn't find any. Tantalizing.
As far as pop-up flash goes...in a pinch I'll take it over not having any extra light. Count me in.
Aug 19, 2009 at 10:33 AM
p.3 #20Canon 7D
Mike1.6 wrote:
As for the pop-up flash, I think it's a waste of space.
cmM.Funny, I was thinking the same thing. I was looking for tell-tale lighting and shadow irregularities but couldn't find any. Tantalizing.
As far as pop-up flash goes...in a pinch I'll take it over not having any extra light. Count me in.
Actually I believe you're all mistaken. There is no pop-up flash. In fact, you'll never have to carry a strobe again. When the button is pressed the user invokes the lighting power of Zeus's E-TTL II thunderbolts. You can also assign to three groups, and fire each at varying powers. Best part? X-Sync at 1/8000 of a second. Oh yeah.
cmM. wrote
If that's fake, I gotta give props to whoever photoshopped that, it looks quite convincing.As for the pop-up flash, I think it's a waste of space.
cmM.
As far as pop-up flash goes...in a pinch I'll take it over not having any extra light. Count me in.
Actually I believe you're all mistaken. There is no pop-up flash. In fact, you'll never have to carry a strobe again. When the button is pressed the user invokes the lighting power of Zeus's E-TTL II thunderbolts. You can also assign to three groups, and fire each at varying powers. Best part? X-Sync at 1/8000 of a second. Oh yeah.
Aug 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM