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p.10 #1 · PCB PLM system REVIEWS


It seems like if this is really a concern -- having a large diffused light modifierfor outdoor shoots, a better tool than either the PLM or the Photek Goodlighter would be a well constructed softbox like a Chimera Super PRO or Plume Wafer.


Sep 11, 2009 at 09:19 AM
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E-Vener wrote:
a better tool than either the PLM or the Photek Goodlighter would be a well constructed softbox like a Chimera Super PRO or Plume Wafer.


Ellis,

This is definitely not helping here. Your recommendation is far too practical and NOT what our "itching" ears want to hear.







Sep 11, 2009 at 09:45 AM
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p.10 #3 · PCB PLM system REVIEWS


Paul Buff wrote:
unless you are willing to put stakes in the ground


I picked up these nifty little tent stakes at a outdoors supply store that have "lips" on them that fit perfectly between the slats in my light stands. I haven't used them with a PLM, but I have used them with a larger umbrella and they worked great.... they also have a hole in one of the lips that allows me to slide a bolt through and mount my speed lights to them... nifty little "light stand" if I'm shooting a newborn laying on the ground outside



Sep 11, 2009 at 09:48 AM
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p.10 #4 · PCB PLM system REVIEWS


Carmen Miranda wrote:
Ellis,

This is definitely not helping here. Your recommendation is far too practical and NOT what our "itching" ears want to hear.




Oh dear. I am funny that way.



Sep 11, 2009 at 09:57 AM
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shoebox9 wrote:
The PLM's work nicely without the front diffuser, but it simply starts flapping in the slightest of a breeze.


I can't say I'm surprised...it's a massive sail...I've frankly amazed anyone has used these outside successfully

Out of curiosity, how much did you weight it down with? I posted earlier in this thread that if people used a Broncolor Para outdoors, the overall weight of the setup is pretty close to 100lbs after the heavy stand to hold the 30-40lb device, then the sandbags...



Sep 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM
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Josh Evilsizor wrote:
I picked up these nifty little tent stakes at a outdoors supply store that have "lips" on them that fit perfectly between the slats in my light stands. I haven't used them with a PLM, but I have used them with a larger umbrella and they worked great.... they also have a hole in one of the lips that allows me to slide a bolt through and mount my speed lights to them... nifty little "light stand" if I'm shooting a newborn laying on the ground outside

Just stabilizing the stand won't really do the job.. On any fabric this size, a strong wind would rip the modifier apart or tear it off the light. Doesn't matter how much the modifier costs. The only way I can imagine real stability would be guy cables from the front perimeter of the modifier to the ground. But this is beyond any reasonable use except for Hollywood film crews IMHO.



Sep 11, 2009 at 02:20 PM
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p.10 #7 · PCB PLM system REVIEWS


For the type of slight breeze I'm talking about, our 2x 60" + 2x 45" Softliters work extremely well. (As does our Chimera Super Pro box with it's quick release speed ring.) It's only the PLM's that come loose and flap like a tent.





Sep 11, 2009 at 04:40 PM
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shoebox9 wrote:
The PLM's work nicely without the front diffuser, but it simply starts flapping in the slightest of a breeze.

Is it unreasonable to expect that a product sold with a front diffuser, will have an attachment system that relies on a combination of gravity and a perfectly windless environment?


Sadly, I must agree.

After my first introduction with the PLM, the front diffusers were immediately consigned to the storage closet. What goes in there, almost never comes out.
Great idea on paper, but pretty useless IMO.

On the other hand, as a silver reflector this modifier has got some moxie. Still playing around with it, but already I can see some good uses for it.

I try not to think in terms of one modifier being better or worse than another when comparing. Heck, I'll use bed sheets if I have to. I like to stay focused on the attributes of each modifier and what they will contribute or take away from the shot. I'm also aware that with every advantage there are offset disadvantages. Any discussion about a modifiers advantages would do well to confront the disadvantages as well if it is to be truly appreciated and used to it's full potential. I simply don't believe there is one modifier that does everything for everybody, at least not well and certainly not a fraction of another's cost. As they say, a jack of all trades is a master of none.

The first thing I can assure you, this is NOT a EL-Octa, not even close. I suspect such comparisons are base on ignorance, exaggeration or wishful thinking. It's also not a BD, DO, Rotalux, Apollo or a Softlighter either. What I have found in the short time I've used it, is that it is a PLM. And frankly, I'm perfectly happy with that.

What do I see as the silver PLM advantages and what makes it special? Basically it is a high contrast umbrella WITH rapid fall off. You gotta love the portability, simplicity, fast set up and affordability of an umbrella, but when it comes to light control you invariably run into problems with a typical umbie. There was a recent thread here knocking umbrellas as lackluster, unexciting and worthless modifiers, mostly because they are so difficult to control. But the PLM gives me classic silver umbrella punch with a measure of softbox directionality and contrast that is not typically found in an umbrella. The matte silver surface was also a good choice of material.
Yes, the PLM is also very efficient. Of course that is nice also, but control is even better IMO.
Frankly I don't see this mod holding up outside, so it'll see pretty limited location duty. I've got other ways to deal with efficiency and I don't particularly want the nuclear holocast look anyway.

At the end of the day it's still an umbrella. When you compare on this basis, it ain't particularly cheap on a construction level but it ain't expensive on a performance level either. All in all, I think Paul has been very responsive to the "wants" of his customer base with the PLM. For others like myself, I think the PLM is worth adding to my tool box for those times it fits the bill, but I have to say it won't outright replace anything I currently use regardless of price.

Good luck.

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Sep 11, 2009 at 05:56 PM
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p.10 #9 · PCB PLM system REVIEWS


Here are photos taken at 9:30 AM in santa monica on a clear day. Sun light was harsh...and I dont think I ever turned Alien Bee B1600 past 1/4 power. we shot these shots in less then 5 minutes..just wanted to do a quick test. Enjoy.

Its not letting me link more then one image..I think I'm doing something wrong.

visit http://thelafashionphotographer.blogspot.com to see rest of pics.







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Sep 11, 2009 at 07:28 PM
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Carmen Miranda wrote:
The first thing I can assure you, this is NOT a EL-Octa, not even close. I suspect such comparisons are base on ignorance, exaggeration or wishful thinking. It's also not a BD, DO, Rotalux, Apollo or a Softlighter either.


Hope this isn't too far off topic, but when would you use each type of modifier? E.g. PLM vs. DO, Rotalux, silver umbrella since they're most similar. Other modifers (e.g., octa, strip light, BD) have relatively obvious uses because they control soft light (octa/strip/softbox) or are used specificallly to light faces in a flattering way (BD)...



Sep 11, 2009 at 08:14 PM
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p.10 #11 · PCB PLM system REVIEWS


thats far to general of a question. The need for all those modifiers comes in time when you get more complex with your lighting...or need a specific look.


Sep 11, 2009 at 08:43 PM
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A very good product designer once told me "First you make it work, then you make it elegant." We are in the process of doing that now, but this sort of process takes about three months. If we were a sewing factory (they don't exist in the US anymore) the fit and finish would be right (and the cost would be $250).

As for the front diffuser fit, my suggestion to the industrious (which most good shooters are), is to take an Xacto knife and punch about a 3/8" slit just inside each grommet and use the slit to fit over the umbrella tips. This will put enough tension on the rods to solve most of the looseness problems. Doing this will not invalidate your warranty or satisfaction guarantee.



Sep 11, 2009 at 08:58 PM
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lafashionphoto wrote:
Here are photos taken at 9:30 AM in santa monica on a clear day. Sun light was harsh...and I dont think I ever turned Alien Bee B1600 past 1/4 power. we shot these shots in less then 5 minutes..just wanted to do a quick test. Enjoy.

Its not letting me link more then one image..I think I'm doing something wrong.

visit http://thelafashionphotographer.blogspot.com to see rest of pics.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eBOZP6uIazc/SqrqO7gIwFI/AAAAAAAAAGs/1iW9ZFdQxWM/s1600/_DSC9571.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eBOZP6uIazc/SqrqOVPj1SI/AAAAAAAAAGk/IYWQ9mVpzi0/s1600/_DSC9585.jpg


A minor suggestion would be to aim the PLM at her midsection instead of the face. This would give you more even lighting of the whole body. No question you won out over the sun at 160WS.



Sep 11, 2009 at 09:01 PM
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lafashionphoto wrote:
Here are photos taken at 9:30 AM in santa monica on a clear day. Sun light was harsh...and I dont think I ever turned Alien Bee B1600 past 1/4 power. we shot these shots in less then 5 minutes..just wanted to do a quick test. Enjoy.

Its not letting me link more then one image..I think I'm doing something wrong.

visit http://thelafashionphotographer.blogspot.com to see rest of pics.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eBOZP6uIazc/SqrqO7gIwFI/AAAAAAAAAGs/1iW9ZFdQxWM/s1600/_DSC9571.jpg



A minor suggestion would be to aim the PLM at her midsection instead of the face. This would give you more even lighting of the whole body. No question you won out over the sun at 160WS.



Sep 11, 2009 at 09:03 PM
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I think I did just that paul...I have the plm to camera right shooting her even on aimed at midsection. The harsh sun light coming from camera left hitting her face more or less...

however...this was done super quick..and I'm sure I could have evened it out more. Thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated.



Sep 11, 2009 at 09:08 PM
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Could be. Your other pix look great. Actually, I think you're right - the flash on the right side of her arm and of her leg (the sun shadow side) look the same.


Sep 12, 2009 at 02:53 AM
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Hey Paul not that I'm complaining..I think the price point is incredible. But why is the Silver Beauty Dish at its price point...and not the same as the white beauty dish?

Is the manufacturing for silver easier?

just curious.



Sep 12, 2009 at 05:23 PM
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lafashionphoto wrote:
Hey Paul not that I'm complaining..I think the price point is incredible. But why is the Silver Beauty Dish at its price point...and not the same as the white beauty dish?

Is the manufacturing for silver easier?

just curious.


It's because we are using a new vendor who is giving us a much better price and good quality. Also notice our standard 7" wide angle reflector has dropped by 25%.

We also have a new 8 1/2" high output reflector on the way - just approved samples. I have made three molds for 11" long throw reflector. I simply cannot improve on our current 11R sports reflector. So I'm upping it to a 15" long throw reflector - the larger diameter allows much greater length to focus more of the available light, so it should perform really well. We'll know in about three weeks. We'll eventually have grids for it and for the 8 1/2".



Sep 12, 2009 at 08:16 PM
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Paul, was getting to order on friday but was told the new beauty dish wasnt available yet. any ideas on when they'll be available? thanks


Sep 13, 2009 at 12:20 AM
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We have the new beauty dishes and are in this process of inspecting each one. We found some that had cosmetic defects caused in shopping. So I authorized holding shipping a couple of days to make sure our shipments are of the quality we, and our customers, expect. They should be shipping Monday or Tuesday.


Sep 13, 2009 at 01:31 PM
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