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Lance Couture wrote:
Fair enough, but 720p HD (1280 x 720 pixels) of the Nikon does not compare to 1920 x 1080 @ 17Mbps of the aforementioned HF-10. The effect of shallow DoF is the only advantage I see....


You have to be kidding. This statement is more accurate in the reverse; the only advantage inhering in your HF-10 is the higher resolution, and perhaps the AF. In every other respect, the D90 gives you greater quality and control over your image; heck, I can even choose the size of the cards I use. The very idea of using dSLR lenses to make movies suddenly makes the idea of video palatable to me. And as one poster has already mentioned, the wonders of the video feature are easily left untapped by those users who, like you, believe in dedicated machines.

That said, given the seamlessness of the video incorporation, it seems odd to rely on a cheap prosumer DV camera with a tiny sensor/lens, simply because it is a "dedicated" unit. The D90 presents a rare situation where you can actually generate better content using a multi-purpose device. How would one do a fisheye on your HF-10? How about ultra-wide, or an f/1.4 shot? Will the quality of the images captured be as high as what I could capture on a 12-24, or a an 85mmf/1.4?

I think the D90 a technological coup, and a sign of things to come. It may be that real video professionals rely on heavy expensive video equipment, but the D90 represents the first time hobbyist videographers have had access to some of the same artistic choices previously available to big studios or dedicated filmmakers.

Arka C.



Aug 27, 2008 at 05:17 PM
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p.4 #2 · Video...In a DSLR?


Video in a DSLR is great. Super fantastic video quality from nice, big, DX/APS (Super 35mm) sized sensors, instead of 3CCD teeny tiny camcorder sensors, and control of depth of field, with real 35mm lenses, and no need for expensive 35mm adapters.

People, listen up. There's no reason to ask or debate if you want this feature or not, because from now on, it WILL be included in pretty much every DSLR that is released from Canon, Nikon, Sony... Get the F#$K over it!

I have a feeling that DX/APS DSLRs will do 720P, and FF will do 1080P, even though APS/DX are more than capable of doing 1080P, but that's marketing for you.

Edited on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:30 PM



Aug 27, 2008 at 05:28 PM
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You obviously failed to read or acknowledge my reply three above yours

lordarka wrote:

You have to be kidding. This statement is more accurate in the reverse; the only advantage inhering in your HF-10 is the higher resolution, and perhaps the AF.


Which is what I said, with the exception of the AF.

In every other respect, the D90 gives you greater quality and control over your image; heck, I can even choose the size of the cards I use.

I can use any size card I want too. Currently, I have 2 x 16 GB SDHC.

The very idea of using dSLR lenses to make movies suddenly makes the idea of video palatable to me. And as one poster has already mentioned, the wonders of the video feature are easily left untapped by those users who, like you, believe in dedicated machines.

Without any substantial evidence, you are assuming that the D90 is going to turn out incredibly stunning, artistic video.

That said, given the seamlessness of the video incorporation, it seems odd to rely on a cheap prosumer DV camera with a tiny sensor/lens, simply because it is a "dedicated" unit.

AVCHD, not DV. A reasonable assumption, but incorrect.

The D90 presents a rare situation where you can actually generate better content using a multi-purpose device. How would one do a fisheye on your HF-10? How about ultra-wide, or an f/1.4 shot? Will the quality of the images captured be as high as what I could capture on a 12-24, or a an 85mmf/1.4?

I dont know, and as I pointed out above, neither do you, unless you have been using a D90 under a NDA.

I think the D90 a technological coup, and a sign of things to come. It may be that real video professionals rely on heavy expensive video equipment, but the D90 represents the first time hobbyist videographers have had access to some of the same artistic choices previously available to big studios or dedicated filmmakers.

Quite possibly, and I have said at the top of this post, as well as three posts above yours, there have been some compelling arguments given here, some not as condescending as yours, and I am seriously re-thinking the inclusion of this feature.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not the point of any fora; to openly discuss so that one may garner all points of view and related facts so that one can ultimately make an informed decision, or is everyone to be firmly rooted in their original posts, and not allowed to change their point of view?

Edited by Lance Couture on Aug 27, 2008 at 02:47 PM GMT

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Aug 27, 2008 at 05:38 PM
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I think the form factor of a DSLR is wrong for video. I sure don't want to hold a DSLR with a 400mm lens at arms length to record and review the video.



Aug 27, 2008 at 05:44 PM
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p.4 #5 · Video...In a DSLR?


Gary Petersen wrote:
If I wanted a movie camera I'd buy one.


For once I have to agree with Gary I don't even use it on my P&S now way would I want it on my new 50D



Aug 27, 2008 at 05:47 PM
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"Frankly, I'm surprised that Canon wasn't first with this feature on a DSLR, given their presence in the video camera market"

that's precisely why Canon would never be first to market with something like this. Imagine the boardroom war between the vice-presidents for still cameras and consumer video. some Armani suits might get rumpled.

"I think Nikon has just nailed a niche in the consumer market for this product cycle."

yep I have a ton of (affluent) friends who are casual nikon shooters for their kids and their cars etc and they will all RUN out to buy one of these. This looks like THE gadget to have for the holiday season for the gadget-freak crowd. And it's a feature that will definitely sway first-time buyers comparing C and N DSLRs. I'm stoked about the 50D and its incremental upgrades, but the D90 is what's going to be on every gadget and photojournalism blog out there for a while.

that said obviously there are first-generation issues to be solved. Contrast-detect AF can't be far behind, since it's already there in the live view still mode. The five-minute limit is due to heat buildup on the sensor. How long do you have to wait between clips for it to cool? It's probably not possible to shoot back-to-back clips, so shooting sports is probably a bit of a stretch this time. But for casual and artistic use, something like this is just the ticket. Having an 85/1.4 AF-D in front of that sensor makes my mouth water. A whole new creative world for independent artists just opened up.

I'm really stoked by the pace of progress last couple of years. Nikon having a burr under its saddle is the best possible thing that can happen to Canon, IMO. Might even eventually result in sacking the upgrade-resistant management in Canon's stills division.



Aug 27, 2008 at 05:48 PM
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I was going to get a 50D as my travel/personal camera (I shoot professionally with a 1Ds3 and 1D3). But after seeing the Nikon D90 announcement today, that's what I'm getting instead. One big requirement for a travel camera is light weight and portability, and the D90 is a little smaller and lighter than the 50D. Plus on family vacations my wife always makes us lug the video camera, which I loathe. And this will take care of that...

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Aug 27, 2008 at 05:48 PM
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p.4 #8 · Video...In a DSLR?


Darn Chris that 90 looks great


Aug 27, 2008 at 05:54 PM
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p.4 #9 · Video...In a DSLR?


jerrykur wrote:
I think the form factor of a DSLR is wrong for video. I sure don't want to hold a DSLR with a 400mm lens at arms length to record and review the video.


That's what monopods, tripods, and steadicams are for. OH NO!!! Still photographers (gearheads) are gonna rush to get the steadicam flyers and complains that it's not balanced enough!!! You've heard it here 1st

Edited on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:25 PM



Aug 27, 2008 at 06:24 PM
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Lance Couture wrote:
Without any substantial evidence, you are assuming that the D90 is going to turn out incredibly stunning, artistic video.


Sorry to "condescend" your sensibilities; the internet isn't a great medium for conveying nuance, so tone is easy to misinterpret.

The "substantial evidence" I rely upon is the ability to use of lenses heretofore unavailable to those at lower experience or equipment commitment levels. Those choices may, I think, may allow users to leverage the D90 and other cameras like it to make "stunning, artistic video."

The D90 presents a rare situation where you can actually generate better content using a multi-purpose device. How would one do a fisheye on your HF-10? How about ultra-wide, or an f/1.4 shot? Will the quality of the images captured be as high as what I could capture on a 12-24, or a an 85mmf/1.4?

Is it not reliable to assume that, on a D90, the answer to the rhetorical question posited above is to... umm... put the lens in question on the mount? The marketing video linked in this thread indicates that this is exactly how it would be done. One hardly needs a working sample under NDA to arrive at this perfectly reasonable conclusion.

Arka C.




Aug 27, 2008 at 06:45 PM
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p.4 #11 · Video...In a DSLR?


Lines are blurring. The TV world is becoming more Web based. I see this as another great option for those needing to gather web material that includes quality pics as well as video. Times are changing. The right tool makes it easier change with it.


Aug 27, 2008 at 07:00 PM
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p.4 #12 · Video...In a DSLR?


Tha'ts the most idiotic thing to put in a dslr imo. I'd rather they put other features that would help in creating better pictures. Waste of money and features imo.

If they were smart, they would put out a cheap cam that would support EF lenses which would help boost sales on their EF lenses. DUH!

Edited on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:06 PM



Aug 27, 2008 at 07:05 PM
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From a personal standpoint, I have no interest whatsoever to have a video feature incorporated into future DSLR bodies. But I'm sure it will happen sometime down the road, IMO.

-Nick



Aug 27, 2008 at 07:08 PM
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i really liked the jarvis video. it did what it was designed to do: sell the young dynamic photo-lifestyle. will i make a clean switch to nikon because of it? no. does it make me want to give up medicine and become a professional photographer? no. but i might get a D90 just so i can take high-quality stills and make creative video of travels as well. more info to remember an occasion.


Aug 27, 2008 at 07:10 PM
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Am i missing something? 1280x720 @24fps = lots of storage. I have a Sony HD camera that records at this spec on 1 hr tapes and its in the dozens of GBs! I will check when i get home what the actual number is, but it is huge. Not sure how much video will be captured on even a 16GB card, but cannot be more than 20-30 mins.




Aug 27, 2008 at 07:12 PM
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abam wrote:
i really liked the jarvis video. it did what it was designed to do: sell the young dynamic photo-lifestyle. will i make a clean switch to nikon because of it? no. does it make me want to give up medicine and become a professional photographer? no. but i might get a D90 just so i can take high-quality stills and make creative video of travels as well. more info to remember an occasion.


This camera is aimed squarely at the crowd new to DSLR. They have P&S cameras with video capabilities and when they compare the D90 to any other entry level camera, the D90 will win hands down. Nikons assult at both the high end ( D3 and D700 ) and now the consumer end is just fun to watch as it unveils.



Aug 27, 2008 at 07:26 PM
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p.4 #17 · Video...In a DSLR?


Get ready to sell you cameras....
In a few years, we'll have reasonably priced 12-16MP 14bit DSLR-VID cameras that can shoot 30fps in full 14bit raw mode. Heck, if you have the money buy this next year!!

Check this one out: 20Mp, 100 fps, 12 bit RAW video and Still images....

http://www.red.com/nab/epic

Why struggle with a 20MP DSLR at 10 fps, when you can capture continuous 30fps and still load up photoshop and process you files? You wont miss that shot ever again...
This is the future.



Aug 27, 2008 at 07:30 PM
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p.4 #18 · Video...In a DSLR?


Why would I want to do video?
It saddens to see how photography is changing. I am seriously thinking that this trend is going to force me back to film camera.



Aug 27, 2008 at 07:37 PM
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chez wrote:
This camera is aimed squarely at the crowd new to DSLR. They have P&S cameras with video capabilities and when they compare the D90 to any other entry level camera, the D90 will win hands down. Nikons assult at both the high end ( D3 and D700 ) and now the consumer end is just fun to watch as it unveils.


makes sense, chez but i could also see a strong market for this among advanced amateurs who might be looking for a second body to play around with. i have my canon gear for taking "serious" (for lack of better terminology) still images. this camera would be something that i could throw a 35mm prime on and take to a loft party, or on vacation when the point is relaxation and not being a photo dork.

cheers



Aug 27, 2008 at 07:38 PM
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i think it's great, and it's no surprise that this is available now. This has to just be a firmware-hack away with all hte other live view cams.

And like others have said.... 85/1.4 on DX video.... oh mannnnnnnnnnnn



Aug 27, 2008 at 08:09 PM
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