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p.5 #1 · Video...In a DSLR?


mfurman wrote:
Why would I want to do video?
It saddens to see how photography is changing. I am seriously thinking that this trend is going to force me back to film camera.


why? because it would mean you don't have to have a video camera, and a still camera. You'll have them both in one, and probably much better quality video than a standard home-video camera would give you anyway. If it saddens you, you don't have to buy one Just because the camera comes out, and doesn't mean you have to rebel and start shooting film. But I do encourage you to shoot film, you'd probably enjoy it But don't shoot film just to rebel against technology. If you want to do that, you had probably better pick up some paint and brushes

I think having the option to use great glass for shallow DOF, and be priced that most amateures could afford (from what it looks like!) would be a great thing! If Canon had it, it would be awesome to use some of the alternative lenses to get some very interesting looks to home video! I'd use it for sure, I've been wanting to dabble in some video projects. Unfortunately, that means I'd have to pick up another camera, so I would only be interested in this if it's a canon 1-series body, because I'm probably not going to want to carry two cameras around, I'm to used to 1-series bodies.

I couldn't really see using the video function as a replacment for still photos (although I'm pretty sure some people probably would, especially folks that never print anything) But it would be great as a replacement/upgrade for home video cameras, for sure!

Edited on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:23 PM



Aug 27, 2008 at 08:11 PM
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p.5 #2 · Video...In a DSLR?


Daniel Buck:
But I do encourage you to shoot film, you'd probably enjoy it But don't shoot it just to rebel against technology.


Daniel, I got my first film camera in the 60s so I am not new to film. I do not rebel against technology either. I studied DSP (Digital Signal Processing) in 70s and I have MEng degree so I am not a Luddite ether.

I just want my DSLR to be a camera not a toy to please my family.



Aug 27, 2008 at 08:25 PM
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p.5 #3 · Video...In a DSLR?


I think many are missing the point. Just because you have the ability, doesn't mean you would be forced to use it. For those that would, it's there and available. For those that don't, no matter because the camera itself still captures great images. Again, just another adaptation in image capturing tools. Does a Canon camera become stupid because it now offers "Picture Styles"? I don't think so. Would I replace my HDV 1080i 720p professional broadcast camera with a something like a D90 for Special Reports? No, but would it be a nice addition to my "tool box"? You bet.

Edited on Aug 27, 2008 at 08:39 PM



Aug 27, 2008 at 08:38 PM
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p.5 #4 · Video...In a DSLR?


jfulton:
I think many are missing the point.


The point, I am trying to make is that I want a simplicity of my camera. I started to hate all those redundancies of current crop of DSLRs. I do know how to operate complicated equipment (whatever it is) I just do not want this complication in my hobby. I repeat: I want simplicity and basic functions.



Aug 27, 2008 at 08:48 PM
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p.5 #5 · Video...In a DSLR?


Emmet Otter wrote:
Tha'ts the most idiotic thing to put in a dslr imo. I'd rather they put other features that would help in creating better pictures. Waste of money and features imo.


I suspect the most limiting feature preventing the creation of "better pictures," is the human being behind the camera - not the technology in the cameras.

Ron



Aug 27, 2008 at 09:05 PM
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p.5 #6 · Video...In a DSLR?


Gary Petersen wrote:
If I wanted a movie camera I'd buy one.


Ditto!



Aug 27, 2008 at 09:09 PM
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It has to start somewhere and even if D90 video is crude, they've released the genie, like it or not. In 2-3 years it'll be in every DSLR from pro to entry level and one day will allow zooming, video lengths only limited by card size or they'll probably have ssd's with a few GB built-in just as a video buffer. Potentially very nice and another nail in P&S coffin for me.


Aug 27, 2008 at 09:10 PM
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p.5 #8 · Video...In a DSLR?


I've been shooting with Canon cameras for nearly 40 years and I've got to admit, upon first look, I'm tempted.

I hadn't considered switching much before, but I wonder what Canon has up its sleeves.??



Aug 27, 2008 at 09:10 PM
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p.5 #9 · Video...In a DSLR?


mfurman wrote:
The point, I am trying to make is that I want a simplicity of my camera. I started to hate all those redundancies of current crop of DSLRs. I do know how to operate complicated equipment (whatever it is) I just do not want this complication in my hobby. I repeat: I want simplicity and basic functions.


Get the 5D and you'll be happy forever.



Aug 27, 2008 at 09:12 PM
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chez wrote:
Get the 5D and you'll be happy forever.


Unfortunately I had one and tried a 1DsmkII. I haven't been the same since.



Aug 27, 2008 at 09:23 PM
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Daan B wrote:
For working purposes I don't care. My clients pay me to make photographs. If they would hire me to make movies, I would need dedicated film gear anyway.

... And I like photographing more than filming

+1

I would only want video if it were at the full resolution of still photographs, so that I could grab just the right still frame of an action sequence. Essentially pushing the current 10 fps to 30 fps.



Aug 27, 2008 at 09:29 PM
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p.5 #12 · Video...In a DSLR?


Photon wrote:
+1

I would only want video if it were at the full resolution of still photographs, so that I could grab just the right still frame of an action sequence. Essentially pushing the current 10 fps to 30 fps.


That would be nice for standard def. 60 fps would be even better. Unfortunately that would mean even more storage, though. I think the RED camera is currently working on this.

http://www.red.com/cameras



Aug 27, 2008 at 09:36 PM
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Check this one out: 20Mp, 100 fps, 12 bit RAW video and Still images....

http://www.red.com/nab/epic

Why struggle with a 20MP DSLR at 10 fps, when you can capture continuous 30fps and still load up photoshop and process you files? You wont miss that shot ever again...
This is the future.




Aug 27, 2008 at 10:08 PM
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p.5 #14 · Video...In a DSLR?


mfurman wrote:
Daniel, I got my first film camera in the 60s so I am not new to film. I do not rebel against technology either. I studied DSP (Digital Signal Processing) in 70s and I have MEng degree so I am not a Luddite ether.

I just want my DSLR to be a camera not a toy to please my family.


then don't buy the new camera Just cause it's there, doesn't mean you have to buy it or upgrade

I for one think it would be a very fun feature, especially if you have some very fast lenses like f1.2 and f1.4 lenses. Can't say how usefull it would really be just yet (haven't seen any high-res footage to judge quality) but I imagine it would be alot of fun. Where else could you get such results (large chip + fast interchangeable glass) for a price even remotely close to that price? I for one would love this in a canon mount full chip

I would venture to say that it wouldn't be very useful in commercials production (much less, film) due to the compression and lack of color range that professional movie cameras (digital and film, dpx and cineon files and so on.) offer, but it would be one heck of a setup for amateurs

Edited on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:02 PM



Aug 27, 2008 at 10:41 PM
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p.5 #15 · Video...In a DSLR?


mfurman wrote:
Why would I want to do video?
It saddens to see how photography is changing. I am seriously thinking that this trend is going to force me back to film camera.


In the past few years, I have built up a serious film armada. It is my intention to reduce digital still work to no more than 20% of my overall shooting, film is just fantastic, I would be a fool to give it up and it gets better for me everyday.

But the Nikon F mount with fantastic manual focus primes in full motion, low light? Now we are talking!! I know for a fact that this is why Zeiss came out with the ZF line, it is for the world's finest multi-platform camera system, that just debuted in the D90. Good film guys don't really want AF for most things, it just does not look right. I am sure the AF will come, but good D/P's of the indie film set are going to be manual most of the time.

This is going change so much in the documentary, high end advertising and news markets, it is just going to be incredible.

People who take this technology and really run with it stand to make millions in high end ad revenue alone, this is no gimmick.

You don't have to like it, you don't have to use it. It is not going to stop me from making compelling images in my Hasselblad and it won't make a mockery of still photography if you are damn good at it.

But what it will do is give big fat imaginations a chance to pioneer something incredible and I am very excited to be a part of that.

I already own a KS-6 gyro, I am already thinking of accessories to make this killer...and it is going to be killer!

Wake up folks, this is not going to kill photography as we know it, it is going to revolutionize a lot though.





Edited on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:18 PM



Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14 PM
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p.5 #16 · Video...In a DSLR?


well said Film_Ruled.


Aug 28, 2008 at 12:56 AM
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A couple of Zeiss ZF reviews on B&H for in case any of you had any doubts, notice the full motion guys glowing reports on each lens:

85 1.4 ZF:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/441700-REG/Zeiss_1405_176_85mm_f_1_4_Planar_T_.html

"Perhaps the finest piece of glass you can put on the Redrock M2. It's so much more warm and rich than the Nikon glass. The chrominance of the glass is much warmer than the Nikon glass, and it is amazingly fast for its focal length, with is critical when using in conjunction with DOF adapters, which generally eat up 2-3 stops of light. The bokeh is flawless on my Redrock M2, and there is no creep or focus problems, it pulls nice and long, so you can really dial in the perfect plane."

35 F/2 ZF:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/472572-REG/Zeiss_1424_661_35mm_f_2_ZF_Distagon.html

"Zeiss is not only a world leader in optical technologies in the field of photography but in high science and technology fields as well. I have used their lenses in Super16 mm film production and medium format photography; and I have always been very pleased with the build quality and sharpness of the optics.

When dealing with a company like Zeiss it's not unusual to pay in the thousands of dollars for a single prime lens. So, to begin with I wasn't expecting the most from this product just simply because of its lower price when compared to their pricier lenses for other formats.

However, I was more than pleased with the results. As far as 35mm format lenses are concerned this is with out a doubt the overall nicest lens I've ever used for a SLR in terms of quality of image, sharpness, color, and tweak-ability. The lens is a solid performer, easy to handle and focus, and yields very little (if any at all) lens warping/distortion. It works great as an every day lens when taking into account the 1.5x digital multiplier. But, could even be used for light duty portraiture work in a pinch.

When comparing the 35mm Zeiss Prime lens to other lenses of similar focal length, there was generally no contest. I've been a long standing proponent of earlier Pre Auto Focus Nikkor Optics due to their heavier build, overall ruggedness, and warm picture rendering, but the zeiss beats them there. It bests the older Nikkors in sharpness and color and minimum focus distance as well. The zeiss 35mm minimal focus is somewhere around 8"... which is not quite macro but better than most lenses. Another nice feature is that the aperture ring moves in half stops as well, which is seems more uncommon amongst newer lenses. Actually - aperture rings themselves are a dying entity.

When comparing it to newer Nikkors, even the nicer more expensive ones, it's stronger, heavier, and easier to focus. They often feel too fragile and are plagued by slippery manual focus rings with lots of play. I've even noticed this flaw in some of the newer manual only lenses from Nikkor which is odd because you'd expect a manual focus lens to have a nice stiff focus ring.

It is important to note however that this is a very specific almost quirky piece of glass by todays standards. It's everything that the other lenses of today are not. And, wide open your depth of field is the shallowest I have seen of any lens on a 1.5x CCD camera. This may be a problem for some people who want a larger Depth of Field. And if you are in that group then stay away, this lens is not for you. Another problem with this lens is its size. Although it's well made, and contains lots of glass... 7 elements in two groups I think , this lens is huge for a 35mm focal length! At first glance you may think that's it's a 60mm or 85mm when judging by its size. It's very big. And this can be a hindrance when you're on the street and don't want to be noticed. I'm switching over from a Nikkor 45mm pancake lens which has been my standby for portraiture and field photography for the past 4 years, and it was small. Probably the smallest 35mm lens I've ever seen. On a side note pentax makes a similar sized pancake lens now.

The bottom line is this thing will destroy any zoom lens in a side by side comparison. But, when dealing with primes everyone has their own preference. There are faster lenses out there and their are smaller lenses out there and there are cheaper lenses out there. But, if you want that shallow depth of field that makes your camera buddies drool, get this thing. It will make you happy."

This is what I am talking about folks. People laughed at why Zeiss would even bother making manual focus lenses for the Nikon F mount, I knew darn well what they were up to, and I own the 35 and 85.

The 35/2 ZF at F/2 is sharper than the Canon 35L at F/2...it is *that* good.







Aug 28, 2008 at 01:30 AM
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for the price thtey are charging for the D90 (pre order £699) why would you not want it in the features. I can think of a few time I wished I had a video cam with me when I just had my DSLR. Its not going to make a dedicated Camcorder redundent but the feature would be nice addition.


Aug 28, 2008 at 01:44 AM
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p.5 #19 · Video...In a DSLR?


Soccer Mom + Manual Focus =


Aug 28, 2008 at 02:03 AM
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Matt Wier wrote:
Soccer Mom + Manual Focus =



yes thats the big drawback but its the 1st generation lots of HD but out of focus video will be shot (I wounder at what apature you could shoot to get alot of DOF?)

I think it will soon be available with the same AF tech that is on the 450 & 50D live view, it wont be as fast as full AF but it will help alot.



Aug 28, 2008 at 02:23 AM
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