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Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel

  
 
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steveverrall wrote:
Hi everyone,

I was using a Canon 1DXII and EF 500/F4 II a few years ago at air shows but was never satisfied with the AF tracking performance and resolution.

Now I would love to get feedback from others on the current options, which I would think are Canon R5, Sony A1 and Nikon Z9. I think the resolution of the otherwise excellent R3 is too low for my own needs and I would doubt that anyone has shot a Z9 at an air show yet, since they are only just beginning to be delivered.

That leaves the R5 and A1. In my
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Steve, if you are interested in the A1, look a few pages back (September-October) at the aircraft shots Douglas (in this thread) has posted with his A1. I don't think he used the 200-600, but the final product is phenomenal. For the R5, the original poster, Jim Wilson has fantastic photos on here from a couple of shows in October that are outstanding. Good luck with that decision.



Dec 24, 2021 at 07:11 AM
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p.649 #2 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Good Christmas Eve Morning to All! Wishing you the Peace and Blessings that this season offer, and hopefully a better 2022.


Dec 24, 2021 at 10:00 AM
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Good Christmas Eve Morning to All! Wishing you the Peace and Blessings that this season offer, and hopefully a better 2022.

2022 has GOT to be better Jim in sooooo many ways!

Suzanne and I are hoping you and the Wilson family, especially my buddy, have the Merriest of Christmas's and Happiest of New Years!
RD



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Dec 24, 2021 at 10:18 AM
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Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all members here on MA2A! We are family!
Dan











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Dec 24, 2021 at 10:23 AM
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p.649 #5 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Good Morning Steve,

I'll have to say that Douglas' imagery alone has tempted me to look at Sony, but it's just not financially practical for me at this point to switch horses. Besides, all these cameras are remarkable and I've been around long enough to know that the magic in Douglas's work is 10% Sony/90% Douglas............

So, on to your question. You can search through our pages and read the account of my personal journey through the 1DXIII/R5/R3 conundrum, or I can save you the trouble and tell you that I ended up turning down my R3's as they came in. Having shot 30,000+ exposures with the R3 at the Alliance show this year I can tell you that it is a remarkable camera, almost perfect in fact, but in the end the 24MP sensor was the deciding factor. I decided that it would be very difficult returning to half the resolution I have become happily accustomed to. That being said, the R5, wonderful as it is, will frustrate you on occasion by losing AF capture and hunting all over the place while your shot evaporates. I get so mad at it that I could bounce it off the ramp, but it's just something that one has to put up with until the R1 arrives, or future firmware updates resolve it. I have tried every conceivable AF setting combo and it doesn't help much, zooming back out to find and re-lock on the subject is the only effective remedy that I have found, and by then the shot is usually history. So, I'd say get the R5, put up with this one frustrating anomaly and enjoy the outstanding resolution until the "perfect" camera is released.

I have a meeting with Canon in a few weeks to discuss their game plan going forward, as I understand it now the R1 (or whatever they decide to call it) will be along sometime in late 2022. One has to believe that Canon will be on this because they aren't going to let Nikon's Z9 hold the limelight for long. Let me know if there is anything more that I can tell you about the R3/R5 that might make your decision easier. The thought of going ahead and getting an R3 still pops into my mind on occasion because it is such a fantastic camera, but I am going to resist the temptation, $6,000 is a lot to spend on an interim solution.



Dec 24, 2021 at 10:24 AM
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
Good Christmas Eve Morning to All! Wishing you the Peace and Blessings that this season offer, and hopefully a better 2022.


Same to you, Jim! Nan and I wish you the very best.

Rob



Dec 24, 2021 at 11:04 AM
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p.649 #7 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Merry Christmas, and indeed all the best for the new year that it may be better than last year.
Enjoy you christmas dinner



Dec 24, 2021 at 12:20 PM
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Thank you Dan! We keep saying that the "next" year has to be better, let's hope that it is true for 2022. Hope you guys are on the mend and able to enjoy Christmas! Have no fear, our little Buddy is assured of a Joyful Christmas........!







Dec 24, 2021 at 03:11 PM
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BTW, that shot of JIII above is the first capture with the RF 100/2.8 Macro. Seems like it's a decent portrait lens too. Sharp as a tack!


Dec 24, 2021 at 04:03 PM
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Thank you Jim and Ray for that info and advice.

Douglas has some wonderful shots using the A1 and 600/4. So it does look like the choice for me is R5 or A1 ... or wait for R1. Price favours the R5 and I will dig back through the thread to see some of Jim's work with that system, taking his caveats into account.

Merry Christmas to all.








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Happy holiday to you all. Be smart and stay safe.
And, in the immortal words of Col. Sherman T. Potter: "Here's to the New Year. May she be a damn sight better than the old one. . ."



Dec 25, 2021 at 07:46 AM
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Amen..Has got to be!!!
I will leave everyone with 2 images. ! myself the other from "JED1"'s inspiration of an iconic tv series!
Happy Holidays To All!
Dan, RD, DDTBBM










Courstesy of MASH Internet Image




Dec 25, 2021 at 10:30 AM
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Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone.
Harry Palmer





Happy Holidays.




Dec 25, 2021 at 11:20 AM
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Merry Christmas!









This is my daughter's BF's dog.




Dec 25, 2021 at 03:20 PM
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Merry Christmas everyone!








Dec 25, 2021 at 03:42 PM
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Ray Swindle wrote:
Steve, if you are interested in the A1, look a few pages back (September-October) at the aircraft shots Douglas (in this thread) has posted with his A1. I don't think he used the 200-600, but the final product is phenomenal. For the R5, the original poster, Jim Wilson has fantastic photos on here from a couple of shows in October that are outstanding. Good luck with that decision.




Merry Christmas Ray! Thank you for the complement!

Steve, this year I used both the Sony 600 f4+1.4 on one A1(or the A7RIV, no long have) and the 200-600 on the other A1. I had never shot airshows at 840mm focal length before. As a matter fact, when I saw people shooting airshows with the big tele primes, I was wondering, don't they need the versatility of a zoom? Lo and behold, I tried the 600 F4+1.4 TC for the first time, I was surprised how much I liked the closeups. But I need to have the 200-600 for the versatility, hence two lenses on two cameras. If I can only use one lens for airshows, it will be the 200-600 hands down. The 200-600 is a very very sharp lens, unless you are unlucky to get a dud. Because it's an internal zoom lens, it's a bit big to pack, but it's super quick to zoom between 200-600.

I have not shot with the Canon R5 but I know it's an outstanding camera, especially for the money, compared to the Sony A1. I don't think the Sony A1 is $2500 better than the Canon R5 but since I have many Sony glasses, the A1 is the only game in town if I want both speed and resolution in one body. The Sony A1 has a much faster sensor read speed so when using electronic shutter for fast moving subjects, there is virtually no jello effect. I read the Canon R5 shows the jello effect for fast moving in certain situations if the background has vertical lines, unless mechanical shutter is used, which will not get you 20 FPS. I think for airshows it doesn't really matter. I have not used the A1's mechanical shutter at all, only electronic, sometimes with the fake shutter sound.

And Steve, if I may add, if you are OK with 24 MP, I would get a used Sony A9 and the 200-600 for dirt cheap price, around US$3600 for the combo here, not sure about the price where you are. The A9's AF and FPS are top rated. But personally, for I what shoot (wildlife, airshows, landscape and a bit of macro), I prefer higher resolution bodies.

For giggles, my lovely wife bought me a lens for Christmas for the first time. She got me a "Canon lens", even though I shoot Sony, maybe that's what I deserved after buying the Sony 600 f4






If you couldn't already tell, it's a mug






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Dec 25, 2021 at 04:05 PM
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Just beautiful, Ray. Reminds me of a return trip to Philly from Paris. AA flight had to stop in Dublin for fuel to make sure that we had enough for our alternate (which was Pittsburgh) given the prevailing Wx at KPHL. Hurricane Sandy was about to strike home. On our approach, I almost fell out of my seat, belt notwithstanding, at just how GREEN the countryside was, just as you've depicted above.

Of course, I admit that my amazement was enhanced by the utter beauty of the woman who appeared to be a refueling technician as she boarded the A/C
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Merry Christmas Anthony! In 2017 I took my daughter to Iceland as her college graduation gift. One day we had lunch at a restaurant in Reykjavík, the waitress was jaw dropping beautiful, even with very light makeup. She is probably the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. Even my daughter made a comment of her beauty. This may sound sexist these days when saying a woman is physically beautiful, but boy oh boy she was a beauty.



Dec 25, 2021 at 04:16 PM
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Douglas L wrote:

Steve, this year I used both the Sony 600 f4+1.4 on one A1(or the A7RIV, no long have) and the 200-600 on the other A1. I had never shot airshows at 840mm focal length before. As a matter fact, when I saw people shooting airshows with the big tele primes, I was wondering, don't they need the versatility of a zoom? Lo and behold, I tried the 600 F4+1.4 TC for the first time, I was surprised how much I liked the closeups. But I need to have the 200-600 for the versatility, hence two lenses on two cameras.
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I have that mug! Works very well too!



Dec 25, 2021 at 05:07 PM
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We were designed to appreciate beautiful things, creatures, people, denying beauty is just dumb. Another oxymoron of our lives today....do you think the billions spent on make up, scents, cosmetic surgery, etc. are spent so no one will notice? Come on, just another pendulum that has swung too far. I was in Target the other day and they had huge posters of very overweight females in spandex and underwear, it was painful to look view. I suppose this display was along the lines of "wokeness", equality and all of that. I don't think anyone should be shamed or bullied because they aren't "perfection", but we don't need 40x60" posters of it either.


Dec 25, 2021 at 05:15 PM
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I must get one of those mugs. I do like to focus on my morning coffee.

Douglas, thanks so much for that detail. Just like Jim's post earlier, it tells me exactly what I needed and wanted to know. Thank you to you both.

This thread contains some of the most helpful, experienced and talented individuals I have encountered and with all the turmoil of the past few years, I must say that this is a very pleasant and inspiring place to be.

Boxing Day here in Brisbane Australia and today the agenda is turkey/ham etc leftovers, playing with the young son and relaxing. Sporting traditions here are the Boxing Day Test Cricket Match and the Sydney to Hobart yacht race, usually running in the background on TV.

Happy new year to all.



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