Interesting. I ask because my father was a T-33 FAIP at Webb AFB in ~1960 and then went on to fly F-104s in VN (Udorn RTAB) in '65-'66. (I ended up a T-38 FAIP about 30 years later...)
Do you have any more information? Where the "Saber Jet" nomenclature comes from? Was VNAF flying these A/C? They look like RT-33s with that modified nose.
jecottrell wrote:
Interesting. I ask because my father was a T-33 FAIP at Webb AFB in ~1960 and then went on to fly F-104s in VN (Udorn RTAB) in '65-'66. (I ended up a T-38 FAIP about 30 years later...)
Do you have any more information? Where the "Saber Jet" nomenclature comes from? Was VNAF flying these A/C? They look like RT-33s with that modified nose.
Thank your father for his service and for his "brothers" saving my "six" , and those of the men I served with,on numerous occassions! A hometown friend flew F4's out of Udorn..my dream....
Yes many Sabers were flown by VN pilots. My AO was in I Corps west-Lang Vei SFC(some II Corps on special ops) on the Laotion border after Khe Sahn was vacated.
The Starfighter was also an integral part of air support for Special Ops missions and line troop support. It was a beautiful sight coming in low and straight up after "payload" dropped!
No I do not have any of that info you ask. Ray Swindle, Jim Wilson, and Jan-Arie , and others on MA2A,are the experts on aircraft id's. I was an infantry grunt so I am lame on aircraft id's.
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Thank you all! Here are some more from the same trip to Gettysburg on Wednesday. I am a sucker for red barns in snow!
Douglas..just amazing images!! Just fantastic framing, color and detail! I also love red barns in snow. I have a yellow and blue barn not to far from me but not in snow. I really admire your tenacity for getting up before dawn and driving or waiting for the evening light.
Again OUTSTANDING images all!!!
Dan
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The Saber jet was an integral part of the air support in Vietnam! Fast but not so fast that they blew right by the target only to return for another run.
Dan
Dan,
I don't believe that the Sabre (F-86) was used in Vietnam. It was a Korean era fighter that was out of front line service by then. I believe you are referring to the F-100 Super Saber which did see service during Vietnam.
See the photos from Vietnam above. This is not a Saber jet? Whatever model jet it was saved many, many lives. I was an combat infantry man. This jet above, the F4, the Starfighter(?) and the prop planes were all I saw during my 2 years of combat.
When we called for close air support, this one was always one of them that showed up!
Thanks!
Dan
I stand corrected if I mis- ID'd the model above.
Thanks Ken!
Dan
This is from Wikipedia:
AT-33A
Conversions of the T-33A for export as a close support variant fitted with underwing pylons and hard points for bombs and rockets. Also used in the original fighter lead-in program at Cannon AFB, NM approximately 1972- 1975.
When you look at the T-33 page in Wikipedia they report many versions, but mostly with the original airframe.
The USAF routinely modified aircraft for different purposes to fill a gap until a suitable airframe/weapon system could be procured. Having worked in the TxANG at Ellington I have seen many repurposed airframes. B-57 Canberra was one. Used as a bomber originally, they lengthened the fuselage and added wider wings, new engines to create a WB-57 used by NASA (and probably secret service). Also who could forget the C/KC-97. Some airframes of the Guppy came from the C-97 (the Guppy was a collage of several aircraft, but designed around the C-97 airframe).
Also visiting Ellington was the Shuttle Carrier Aircraft, a Boeing 747. I remember working Alert duties after hours when a convoy of private vehicles drove out to the old Lunar Lander training pad. There were about 15 guys standing around watching 2 or 3 guys working on what looked like a model airplane. Turns out it was the NASA engineer John Kiker (who I knew from being a member of the JSC RC Club) proving his theory the shuttle could fly on top of the 747 with a large scale 747 and shuttle radio controlled aircraft system. He flew the 747 first, then added the shuttle on top. I saw them several evenings doing this routine until they finally separated the shuttle in flight. After their success, John was the evening speaker at our monthly club meeting and told us about the purpose and results. They found the additional outboard vertical stabilizers on the horizontal stabilizer provided a smoother flight, and adding the engine pod cover on the shuttle reduced turbulence. Then they designed the mounting hardware with squibs to release the shuttle. Remember they tested the shuttle flight characteristics by taking it up on the 747, then releasing it to glide back to Edwards. Thus, another modified aircraft for a special purpose. John also added that the 747/shuttle combination proved to be a very stable platform. This design replaced their original plan of shipping the the shuttle from Edwards after a flight to Florida via the Panama Canal.
Ray Swindle wrote:
This is from Wikipedia:
AT-33A
Conversions of the T-33A for export as a close support variant fitted with underwing pylons and hard points for bombs and rockets. Also used in the original fighter lead-in program at Cannon AFB, NM approximately 1972- 1975.
When you look at the T-33 page in Wikipedia they report many versions, but mostly with the original airframe
I'm hours away from wrapping up the "MiniDV" portion of my video dubbing project. The Gathering of Mustang 3 of 3" is running as we speak. Next up will be all my "Hi-8" tapes and thanks to Brian's thoughtfulness I should begin that phase tomorrow.
Sheila gets her second vaccine this afternoon and I go for mine tomorrow morning. I'll be glad to have that all behind us, to whatever degree we are able.
The week's weather is lending itself to indoor projects, cold, rain, sleet, ice and snow all on tap through next Monday. Need to go put a blanket on the Cub...........
Glad to hear that you and Shelia are getting the vaccine2 Jim !!
It is a "charlie foxtrot" here in Maryland!!!! Millions of seniors still waiting for #1.
D
Danpbphoto wrote:
Glad to hear that you and Shelia are getting the vaccine2 Jim !!
It is a "charlie foxtrot" here in Maryland!!!! Millions of seniors still waiting for #1.
D
Hi Dan, Sorry you are enduring that frustration. I wasn't scheduled to get my second until tomorrow, and at a different location, but I found someone who actually gave a flip and she was kind enough to do some computer magic and give us a two for one. We're golden, "Wuhan 1 & 2".
I have a rigorous assignment schedule coming up so I'm hoping that I can escape with minimal side effects, like the first round.
Hoping you and your Sweetheart are able to get going on your immunization soon, this thing is nothing to mess with, as you well know.
JWilsonphoto wrote:
Hi Dan, Sorry you are enduring that frustration. I wasn't scheduled to get my second until tomorrow, and at a different location, but I found someone who actually gave a flip and she was kind enough to do some computer magic and give us a two for one. We're golden, "Wuhan 1 & 2".
I have a rigorous assignment schedule coming up so I'm hoping that I can escape with minimal side effects, like the first round.
Hoping you and your Sweetheart are able to get going on your immunization soon, this thing is nothing to mess with, as you well know....Show more →
What is happening here and some other states is criminal to me! Just the worst planning I have ever seen Jim
My State Health Dept has no idea what they are doing! And what they are doing is a lesson in stupidity!!
Suzanne is 74 and in the "at risk" category but they don't care! Raised the age limit to 75 for shot!!
Sorry for the political rant!!!!
Dan
No need to apologize Dan, wish I could get you to Texas, we would take care of you! Somehow Sheila hit the wrong key and our shots got scheduled at opposite ends of town and on different days. I drove her yesterday for her second dose and it was a bit of a mess, but one had to be appreciative of the effort, it was cold and there were a zillion cars in line. Knowing that I was going to have to repeat the drill again today for me didn't make me happy. I began asking if there wasn't a way to get my shot at this location yesterday and the answer kept coming up "No". When we got to the final stage a young lady came out to check Sheila's card and I explained the conundrum to her, she smiled and said, "Let me check something......" a few minutes later she came back with two syringes and a wink, proving two things, you can't ask too many times and there still are a few people in this world who aren't walking around with their head firmly "up and locked".
The horror stories about side effects are rampant, but we haven't experienced any to speak of. The first shot had me feeling a little off the next day, so far #2 didn't even leave me with a sore arm. Our in house Doc says give it 30 days to soak in and then go live your life. Hard to believe we have been virtually paralyzed for a year now. I'm thankful for the administration and the people in the private sector who sprung into action and, in record time, were responsible for us being immunized yesterday, credit where credit is due.
JWilsonphoto wrote:
Thanks Brian! I am working on the RGB connectors to a module that allows for an HDMI cable, then HDMI into a USB C adapter. Hope it works.
I'm sure it'll work and I'm anxious to hear about the process.
Glad you and Shiela got the vaccine. We're patiently (sorta) waiting our turn here in Tennessee.
Millions of seniors still waiting for #1.