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A display that gets very little attention



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Nov 12, 2020 at 06:08 AM
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the display was under Belle



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Nov 12, 2020 at 06:10 AM
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Tested out a new manual focus lens yesterday, the Nippon Kogaku Japan Micro-Nikkor-P Auto 1:3.5 f=55cm



This was taken yesterday? I'm suprised that the museum would dishonor the tradition of the Doolittle Raid survivors.

By tradition the goblet representing each member of the raid was to be placed in the display case (upside down) when that survivor died. The last surviving member of the Doolittle Raiders passed away in early 2019.

Isn't it about time for the museum to show the proper respect to the Doolittle Raiders by following their tradition, and placing all of the goblets in the case (upside down)?




Nov 12, 2020 at 09:38 AM
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NightOwl Cat wrote:
A display that gets very little attention

Did you mean that Beautiful Bristol Beaufighter? or the Tuskegee airman?




Nov 12, 2020 at 10:15 AM
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I believe the tradition was that the surviving member overturned the deceased's goblets. Since there are no more Raiders to drink the cognac, say the toast, and to turn the last one over...

I will ask the next time I go.

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This was taken yesterday? I'm suprised that the museum would dishonor the tradition of the Doolittle Raid survivors.

By tradition the goblet representing each member of the raid was to be placed in the display case (upside down) when that survivor died. The last surviving member of the Doolittle Raiders passed away in early 2019.

Isn't it about time for the museum to show the proper respect to the Doolittle Raiders by following their tradition, and placing all of the goblets in the case (upside down)?






Nov 12, 2020 at 08:29 PM
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Both. People zoom right by it, straight for the Belle.

Jan-Arie wrote:
Did you mean that Beautiful Bristol Beaufighter? or the Tuskegee airman?






Nov 12, 2020 at 08:31 PM
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Just wrapped up a three day assignment for a new client out of Chicago and it was intense. This was a high end multifamily complex, really aimed at Millennials more than families. We pulled out all the stops for this shoot, fresh flowers, all manner of styling, there were stylists and designers scrambling to make each composition visually perfect. This morning began at 5 am setting up for a "civil twilight" perspective of the front elevations. Yesterday's portion of the assignment ended with pool/courtyard views and just to keep us on our toes, none of the landscape lights were working. We had stylists slicing fresh fruit, preparing drinks, lighting candles, and folding and placing towels on each chaise lounge. A team of electricians arrived and fixed the lighting in the nick of time, literally minutes before the perfect balance of light occurred and the resulting imagery reflects the team's superior efforts.

This was a next level experience for a guy who is often a Lone Ranger trying to pull all the details together, an impossibility with a project the size scope of this project. We are all exhausted and every bone in my body aches at the moment, but this was a great shoot, with a wonderful team who happens to have 18 projects in various stages of completion across the country, which is nice.......



Nov 12, 2020 at 11:03 PM
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A couple from my not so pretty Nikkor 85mm f/1.8 HC Auto




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Nov 13, 2020 at 04:04 AM
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Just wrapped up a three day assignment for a new client out of Chicago and it was intense. This was a high end multifamily complex, really aimed at Millennials more than families. We pulled out all the stops for this shoot, fresh flowers, all manner of styling, there were stylists and designers scrambling to make each composition visually perfect. This morning began at 5 am setting up for a "civil twilight" perspective of the front elevations. Yesterday's portion of the assignment ended with pool/courtyard views and just to keep us on our toes, none of the landscape lights were working.
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Chicargo, pools, chaise lounge……. November…..hummm.

Dr Johnson says time to put your feet up JW. Maybe a little JW III action – no more than that – for three (3) days. OK, as an exception, pick up the phone and organise a crew to help you with the decorations this year. I don’t know, but I’m watching, oh I’m watching.



Nov 13, 2020 at 05:35 AM
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NightOwl Cat wrote:
Both. People zoom right by it, straight for the Belle.



I think the story of the Belle is more widely known to people, but they have given the Tuskegee story more recognition in the recent years hopefully the get some more attention..





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Chicargo, pools, chaise lounge……. November…..hummm.

Dr Johnson says time to put your feet up JW. Maybe a little JW III action – no more than that – for three (3) days. OK, as an exception, pick up the phone and organise a crew to help you with the decorations this year. I don’t know, but I’m watching, oh I’m watching.


Hi Nick,

Yeah I overdid it for sure................James arrives in 10 minutes, then Chili and I are going to do a little Cub flying, laid back day per your prescription!



Nov 13, 2020 at 10:09 AM
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NightOwl Cat wrote:
I believe the tradition was that the surviving member overturned the deceased's goblets. Since there are no more Raiders to drink the cognac, say the toast, and to turn the last one over...

I will ask the next time I go.



At this point in time, there may not be a surviving spouse, or brother/sister of the raiders. I guarantee that there are children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc. of the raiders.The museum could get some (or all) of them to attend a ceremony to place the last goblet in the case,and fullfill the tradition. Or, the museum could choose to put the case, goblets, and cognac back in storage (not on public display).

I may be overly sensitive, but to me the current display is dishonoring the Doolittle Raid crewmembers and their tradition. I find the museums inability to honor the raiders tradition only somewhat less offensive that if they (the museum) were to go to the raiders graves and piss on them.



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Nov 13, 2020 at 11:24 AM
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KW, I think you are over reacting.

The NMUSAF IS the keeper of the Doolittle flame. They have hosted the Raiders for years, back in 2017 they had the final ceremony. From everything I have heard from those that actually know, the goblets are exactly as the Raiders wanted them. IN 2019 Dick Cole attended the 75th anniversary, the last survivor, and himself left it the way it is now... They may or may not have a ceremony to turn the other goblet over...but that is up to the Doolittle Raiders foundation and family members.


I am acquainted with the Cole family and they are very happy with the museum and the display.





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Nov 13, 2020 at 03:30 PM
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Literally a BIG oops.

Rob
https://samchui.com/2020/11/13/antonov-124-runs-off-runway-in-siberia-after-dual-failures/#.X67uiS9h2L5



Nov 13, 2020 at 03:39 PM
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Zane Adams wrote:
KW, I think you are over reacting.

The NMUSAF IS the keeper of the Doolittle flame. They have hosted the Raiders for years, back in 2017 they had the final ceremony. From everything I have heard from those that actually know, the goblets are exactly as the Raiders wanted them. IN 2019 Dick Cole attended the 75th anniversary, the last survivor, and himself left it the way it is now... They may or may not have a ceremony to turn the other goblet over...but that is up to the Doolittle Raiders foundation and family members.

I am acquainted with the
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If the families are happy with the display, it's not my place to complain. I can't help that it seems disrespectful to me. But, if the families are good with it, I would/will have to accept that their wishes are being respected.




Nov 13, 2020 at 04:18 PM
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Been rather busy lately, photographed this G-280 last Saturday on such a beautiful day. Then went up to Albany, NY on Tuesday for a virtual tour with another G-280.

Hope everyone has a great weekend.









Nov 13, 2020 at 04:46 PM
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A couple of hours with James this morning and then off to HQ for lunch and flying with Chandler, what a great way to end the week! Captured this Jet "Egg" while I was waiting for Chili to arrive..............







Nov 13, 2020 at 08:36 PM
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kwbarnes wrote:
If the families are happy with the display, it's not my place to complain. I can't help that it seems disrespectful to me. But, if the families are good with it, I would/will have to accept that their wishes are being respected.




My contact in the Raiders foundation told me that they had a ceremony planned for the Cole family to come in and turn over the goblet last April but then Covid happened.



Nov 13, 2020 at 08:55 PM
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Now that makes sense Zane, thanks for caring enough to dig a little deeper.


Nov 13, 2020 at 09:12 PM
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RobMoser wrote:
Literally a BIG oops.

Rob
https://samchui.com/2020/11/13/antonov-124-runs-off-runway-in-siberia-after-dual-failures/#.X67uiS9h2L5


I think that it would be written off

The damage is deep



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