TBannor wrote:
You know, the more I read these noise complaints, the more I think a lot of folks have gotten into photography without ever having shot film.
As for mice, rats and other creatures, for a laugh go here and scroll down to the fourth entry:
Maybe we are being spoiled by low noise performance of DSLR's like the 5D, 1DmkIII and D3... It is of course unfair to compare the quality of film with the output these digicams can deliver. Technology advances, nowadays digital is able to produce way better quality than film. It is also unfair to compare the noise performance of digicam's with the noise performance of these DSLR's. It is like comparing apples to oranges.
But it's a fact that the G9 produces already visible noise at ISO 80. And it produces more than other digicams (like the Fuji F31 or the Powershot A720). Wether you find this acceptable not, that's a personal matter and has everything to do with taste/preferences and has nothing to do with film/digital or DSLR/digicam discussions.
As a professional photographer I would never sell a pic that comes out of a G9. It simply isn't good enough. Instead I use a FF DSLR. A FF DSLR gives me way more control, DOF flexibilty and of course lower noise.
Using a G9 for hobby is a entirely different matter. My vacation prints are 90% of the time printed on 10x15cm. So in these cases the IQ of the G9 will do.
But the G9 is marketed by Canon as a tool for pro's. Hence the extended handling and features. I don't what Canon was thinking when they made this decision, but giving us such a tiny sensor with 12MP dumped on it isn't a very professional thing to do. For my pro needs, it's about the quality of the pixels, not the quantity (if quality suffers).
In the meantime it becomes harder and harder to criticize the G9 without people doubting your abilities (instead that of the G9). I wonder why
I've sold stock images taken with the G2, G3, Pro1 and I'll bet I will with the G9. I've even sold a stock image taken by my wife with her little S400 Digital Elph. The end user doesn't give a hoot what camera was used to take the photo if it fits their needs.
Savas K wrote:
Ron, that workaround creates more storage requirement, no?
Not really unless you decided to keep everthing after working on the file. I will keep the raw as it is and only work on the tif. I will delete the tif after I have print or retro safe it as jpeg if I wish.
Sorry Daan.... but the G9 is geared towards enthusiasts, not "pros" as your embellishment suggests. Anyone that needs better can spend 10x more and buy themselves an M8. And with respect to your professional photography, people are selling images from 16$ Russian TLR's, so unless you're talking about product photography, your argument about the G9's photographic image taking ability just doesn't hold water.
Indeed, most professionals will opt for a serious DSLR, so the G9 is the "Epic Stylus" of the modern era. It's a camera that supplements the pro photographers' need for the best possible quality in a small size, when a 5D with a 70-200L is just overkill for the situation.
When the camera is placed in the proper context of what it is meant for, and how it was designed to be used, 99% of the actual owners will be satisfied completely. For the remaining 1%, it is fodder for discussions about noise and "IQ"...
Nu2Digital wrote:
Sorry Daan.... but the G9 is geared towards enthusiasts, not "pros" as your embellishment suggests.
Nu2Digital, maybe you should be sorry:
Press release G9:
"LAKE SUCCESS, N.Y., August 20, 2007 – Canon U.S.A., Inc. announced today that its acclaimed G-series has a new top-of-the line model - the PowerShot G9 digital camera. The PowerShot G9 digital camera offers serious shooters and value-minded professionals a feature-packed camera with many of the advanced photographic capabilities of a high-end Digital SLR camera, in a lightweight, compact package at an affordable price."
Also, the G9 was presented to me by CPS Netherlands along with the new 1D mkIII and 1Ds MkIII for professional use... Maybe I took this the wrong way, although I doubt this
I guess it depends on what you shoot professionally if the IQ of the G9 will be good enough. I work only on assignment and do mostly people shoots for companies (which will be printed large: 40x60cm and bigger). When I bring along a G9 and show them the noisy and blurry results I will be out of a job very soon. No matter what I charge for it.
As a pro I go for quality. My clients demand and deserve this. IMHO, the only context where the G9 will be good enough for is vacation / hobby...
I remember a thread awhile back and it may have been over on dpreview, where a working pro took a G7 as well as his dSLR gear on a commercial shoot and then presented all the images to the client. The client chose several G7 images for further use. I'll have to hunt for it; if I find it, I'll post it here.
I've found that converting G9 CR2 files to DNG and then converting them in Aperture results in surprisingly clean files. You have to use a hack that involves altering the S60 listing in the raw.plist file to recognize G9 DNG files. The white balance is usually way off, but fixed easily.
"Canon U.S.A., Inc. announced today that its acclaimed G-series has a new top-of-the line model - the PowerShot G9 digital camera. The PowerShot G9 digital camera offers serious shooters and value-minded professionals a feature-packed camera with many of the advanced photographic capabilities of a high-end Digital SLR camera, in a lightweight, compact package at an affordable price."
Daan.. do you mean to tell me that when you were introduced to the G9, you confused it for the 5D replacement? Seriously.....
I dropped a whole 450 USD on mine, I gotta say that it's been the best value dollar for dollar of all my photographic purchases this year. (perhaps what they mean by "value minded")
Nu2Digital wrote:
"Canon U.S.A., Inc. announced today that its acclaimed G-series has a new top-of-the line model - the PowerShot G9 digital camera. The PowerShot G9 digital camera offers serious shooters and value-minded professionals a feature-packed camera with many of the advanced photographic capabilities of a high-end Digital SLR camera, in a lightweight, compact package at an affordable price."
And to which category do you belong? Let me guess...
Daan.. do you mean to tell me that when you were introduced to the G9, you confused it for the 5D replacement? Seriously.....
Ha Ha, good joke...(not really). It is obvious by now you are a Canon (G9) fanboy that can't handle any criticism about his new toy... blinded by the "pro featured" VF of his G9
I dropped a whole 450 USD on mine, I gotta say that it's been the best value dollar for dollar of all my photographic purchases this year. (perhaps what they mean by "value minded")
And more enlightened photographers, professional and enthusiasts alike, realize that the right tool for the job is the one that gets the job done. I have sold and/or published images taken from a G5, G9, Leica DLux3, Rebel, 20D, 30D, 40D, 5D, MkIII, etc... In fact in many situations, good light in particular, the camera used makes for about 1%, while light and composition make about 99% of the image's appeal. Often the best camera is the one you have with you...
Ha Ha, good joke...(not really). It is obvious by now you are a Canon (G9) fanboy that can't handle any criticism about his new toy... blinded by the "pro featured" VF of his G9
..I thought it was funny
Were I to be in the Nederlands... I would love to have some of what you're smoking
Really dude... it's a 450$ camera... relax.
It's not the criticism of the camera that concerns me, it's the "little hammer, big hammer" approach to cameras as tools... and not how much money they cost! Whatever hammer works for the job.
Nice images on your site, Chris. Perhaps DaanB can direct us to where we can see his work.
ChrisDM wrote:
And more enlightened photographers, professional and enthusiasts alike, realize that the right tool for the job is the one that gets the job done. I have sold and/or published images taken from a G5, G9, Leica DLux3, Rebel, 20D, 30D, 40D, 5D, MkIII, etc... In fact in many situations, good light in particular, the camera used makes for about 1%, while light and composition make about 99% of the image's appeal. Often the best camera is the one you have with you...
Yeah, good point about not showing up on a paid shoot with a G9, that thread I mentioned notwithstanding. I wouldn't do it either. But for stock, not a problem.
Habzsi wrote:
Hi,
I think the UK Rush concert stuff is pretty cool that Tbannor posted
rattymouse wrote:
There ya go. Hope the wait wasnt too bad for you. I still stand by my G9 comments. I use the thing all the time and am astonished at thow much noise it produces. Living in the Canon SLR and Fuji F20 world did not prepare me for the immense noise of the G9.
Actually, digital noise can have different characteristics. With some cameras it's intrusive, with others, it's similar to film grain. The G9s noise looks a lot like film grain to me.
rattymouse wrote:
There is a huge difference between film grain and digital noise. A careful artist can use grain an almost integral part of some images. How many people add digital noise on purpose (not simulated film grain) to theirs?
