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p.8 #1 · Canon G9 Anyone?


TBannor wrote:
Ah, there you go, Rattymouse. Very nice; first class work.

And to be clear, nothing I've said bordered on a personal attack and certainly didn't mean to be. I'm sorry to have doubted you. To me a personal attack is when you say something absolutely derogatory about someone. I don't think anyone stooped to that in this discussion.

I think we can safely say that the G9 isn't everyone's cup of tea but for some, it may be a viable solution for personal shots when carrying heavy gear isn't possible or practical. I too wonder why Canon stopped at 35mm on the
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No hard feelings on this end either. Thanks for the kind words on my images. May you have a great 2008!





Dec 29, 2007 at 04:04 PM
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When the G9 was announced, in another thread on FM Forums, I had dismissed it, thinking a dSLR like D40 would be better for the same price. However, time passed and the G9 never left my thoughts. I then searched for as many G9 RAW files on the internet as I could find and tried to process them myself (on Lightroom). To be frank, they blew me away.

Got a G9, finally :-) and my impressions are:

1. As a serious shooter, I hardly shoot jpeg, only RAW, and the amount of detail a G9 RAW file captures is astounding. Even in not-so-good light (eg. evening), detail on far-away foliage (at infinity) is visible in some of my landscapes. And I constantly keep reminding myself that I am looking at a 12mp file from a P&S. WOW! Between a 12mp RAW file and a 12mp JPEG, there is a world of difference in detail.

2. Absolutely love the depth-of-field at f4 :-) To achieve the same, I was stopping down to f8 or f10 on a dSLR and so that's a huge two stop advantage to the G9 (Grin :-) However, having used an A640 prior to the G9, the G9 depth-of-field is not as great at f2.8 (G9 does require a bit of stopping down)

3. Noisy? Yes, even at ISO 80 if you apply sharpening, noise is easily visible on peoples faces and in the sky. But my experience says that even in large Epson prints (say 17x22"), the noise (visible to a pixel peeper) would hardly show. After applying NR on Lightroom, the fine noise reminds me more of a dSLR image than a P&S. Yes, surprisingly useable at ISO 400 and the ISO dial is something to fall in love with :-) At ISO 800 in RAW, it is upto the photographer to reduce chroma noise as per her/his preference, but highlight areas are pretty good, so I guess ISO 800 is useable for say dusk shots (and not night shots). Yes, the images do not look 'silky', like that from a dSLR, but that does not bother me. (It may bother stock or advertising photographers though.)

4. JPEG? The 12mp jpeg sucks, I suggest don't even try it. Try a jpeg on the 8mp, Super-fine setting (big enough) and you'll see quality.

5. Extreme corner softness is visible in some of my shots while pixel-peeping (A640, in my opinion, had better corner sharpness) but to me that's acceptable, a small compromise.

6. Purple fringing can be bad at times (much worse than A640), in most cases Lightroom is able to remove it but in cases like thin foliage against bright sky, it is sometimes not possible to eliminate it completely. Fringing (even green) is also visible in high-contrast macro shots and can look ugly at times.

7. Handling is superb, in-fact I don't feel like using my dSLR anymore :-) With a slow SD card, a RAW file may take upto 3 seconds to write, but that's Ok for me, my trees usually are not very fidgety :-)

8. Yes, as reported, the 3" hi-rez LCD is 'beautiful' but has a very slight (and not always noticeable) blue cast; as someone shooting RAW on Auto White Balance, it does not bother me. However, if you're shooting jpegs in tricky light situations, the blue bias may sometimes prompt you to change White Balance when it may not be required.... I have not been very happy with Auto While Balance, specially when shooting RAW, and have been changing it in PP for almost every shot.

9. RAW files remind me of dSLR images, pretty 'neutral' in terms of color, shadow and highlight detail, just right to work on. Highlight detail is not as good as that of a Canon dSLR but on many occasions, I have been able to recover highlights.

Overall as a serious shooter with an always ultimate aim of selling 17x22" fine-art prints, I would give the G9 Five Stars :-)

Hope this short review (full of smileys) will be helpful to some of you :-)

Cheers!
Mayank

Edited by Mayank B on Jan 08, 2008 at 01:17 PM GMT

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Jan 08, 2008 at 02:41 AM
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Ok, you all convinced me. I bought one from abes of maine. It should be here next week (although I didn't get an order confirmation from them).

Like you, I never really thought I'd get a G9. I figured if I wanted to do that, I'll pick up a used Rebel XT or used 10D or 20D or something along those lines and use a DSLR without the grip to make it smaller.

I like that I can continue to shoot RAW and if I really want to, I can attach my flash to it (but it does look pretty funny).

But my wife has been bugging me lately about not having a P&S so this should do.

Dan.



Jan 08, 2008 at 02:57 AM
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update. I ordered the camera from Abe's of Maine on Sunday. Yesterday (Wednesday) they called me. Conversation basically went something like:

them: We're working really late today to fill your order! I did want to give you some more information though....do you want a bigger SD card because the one this comes with is really small...we have 2 gig ones available for....(something really expensive)

me: no thanks, i have a bunch of SD cards already

them: also, the battery only lasts 30 minutes so i would recommend a new battery. we have high capacity ones that will last all day for ...(something really expensive)

me: no thanks. i'll be fine with the standard battery

them: also, the warranty is only 90 days. we can get that extended to 3 years...blah blah

me: no thanks. i'll be fine with the standard warranty.

them: ok, we'll get this sent out...

blah blah blah. so annoying. their pricing was about $20 or so cheaper than others. they better not overcharge me.

Dan.



Jan 10, 2008 at 02:58 PM
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I can only comment on the G7 which is a very similar camera, but for what it is, I can't complain. It doesn't have much to apologize for under good lighting conditions at the camera's base ISO. Some of my better photos over the past six months were taken with the G7, but they may as well have come from my DSLR. It's almost embarrassing.

I've since given it away in trade for a Nikon F3HP, but plan to replace it with a G9.

Oh, and I'd also recommend putting a few pieces of "egrips" appliques on the body of the camera which makes it much more secure in your hand. The metal looks very nice, but it's slippery.



Jan 10, 2008 at 03:19 PM
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i've used egrips before on my cell phone and they worked pretty well.

btw, i got this today from abe's of maine. they were rate 5.73/10 on resellerrating.com so i didn't think they'd pull the same old scam. oh well. i'll order from somewhere else.


Dear Daniel Paik,
Please be advised that the CANON POWERSHOT G9 DIGI - CNPSG9 you ordered on 01/06/08 (order no P44269-B1142496)
is out of stock
You May:

- Wait until we receive our next shipment from CANON on 01/21/08 when we will ship it out to you Air delivery at no additional cost
Should you need further assistance you may contact
me at [email protected] or call me at xtn . We apologize for the inconvenience
and thank you for your patience. We are working diligently to satisfy your order, and we thank
you for choosing our company for your electronic needs.

Sincerely,
Ben Dow

Abes of Maine
1957-61 Coney Island Avenue
Brooklyn, N.Y. 11223
http://www.AbesofMaine.com
800-992-2237 xtn: 2

I sent them this:

Please cancel this order….scammers.

Dan.




Jan 11, 2008 at 01:06 AM
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I have a few more criticisms of the G9 now that I have used it a little bit more.

1. As a 12 Mpx camera it is too noisy above 200 ISO. To put this into context, there are times when any image is better than no image, and if you want small prints then the noise is not so bad. However, those who want small prints do not need 12 Mpx (as most will be discarded anyway) and those who want large clean images would have benefited from a better combination of sensor size and pixel count.

Note: This is a Canon DSLR forum. It is fair and reasonable to think of digital noise levels in absolute terms or relative to DSLRs and not just compared with previous point and shoot compact cameras. The G9 may be better than earlier models but it is not good compared with even an old model DSLR despite all of the advances in sensor and processing technology.


2. The G9 can and does produce some nice images but there are so many times when mine beeps to indicate that it has achieved focus when it clearly has not. I can see on the LCD that it has missed the focus and when I look at the images on my computer or p-5000 it is even more obvious. Something is not behaving as well as it ought to.

3. I still reckon the LCD is too contrasty compared with the image being captured. Changing settings in My Color do not alter this relationship because it affects both the captured image and the displayed image.

4. The manual-only flash is a pain. There are three output levels and I have to choose. I'm sure they could have implemented some form of auto output whether or not it was proper E-TTL (I or II).


I still like this thing and I'm often taking it out with me just in case it comes in handy, but it should and could have been so much better than it is without costing more.


I also lament the way this forum is degenerating towards the level of unmoderated forums in which any and all criticism results in attacks on the "offender". We're not as bad as some forums yet but collectively we're getting worse rather than better. Try harder to see the facts and reasons behind the criticisms rather than the person and we'll all be better off.

cheers,
- Alan



Jan 11, 2008 at 07:15 AM
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p.8 #8 · Canon G9 Anyone?


Alan321 wrote:
2. The G9 can and does produce some nice images but there are so many times when mine beeps to indicate that it has achieved focus when it clearly has not. I can see on the LCD that it has missed the focus and when I look at the images on my computer or p-5000 it is even more obvious. Something is not behaving as well as it ought to.

- Alan


When the G9 has acquired focus, it actually beeps twice (very quickly) and the AF frame on the LCD is green. If it is confused about the focus, it beeps once and the AF frame on the LCD is yellow. Granted, the beeps are difficult to distinguish and sometimes the yellow vs green is not so obvious either.



Jan 11, 2008 at 12:33 PM
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i've seen it as well on mine. it'll give a green confirmation but the focus is clearly off.


Jan 11, 2008 at 01:04 PM
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