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Thanks. I might have overdone the contrast and sharpening a bit.


Dec 28, 2007 at 11:27 PM
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There, that might be a bit better. The key to dry eyes is a sharp knife, by the way.


Dec 28, 2007 at 11:34 PM
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Nu2Digital wrote:
Were I to be in the Nederlands... I would love to have some of what you're smoking


Who's smoking now? Oh wait, it must be the G9's noise that's intefering with your brain

Really dude... it's a 450$ camera... relax.

Aaahhhh, a RICH Canon G9 fanboy... that explains it all...

It's not the criticism of the camera that concerns me, it's the "little hammer, big hammer" approach to cameras as tools... and not how much money they cost! Whatever hammer works for the job.

If you weren't so busy trying to defend your new toy, you would have read that I was saying exactly the same thing in my first post on this thread... So, I couldn't agree with you more on this...
But, for MY type of shooting and dealing with MY clients, the G9 isn't up to the task. I am NOT speaking for all the pro's out there. Of course there are situations where the G9 will deliver (even professionally). For ME that would be on holidays...





Dec 29, 2007 at 04:12 AM
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rattymouse wrote:
Yep, I agree. Monumental amounts of post processing. Nice compositions though. I think they would look far better (and more natural) with much less PP. Perhaps the camera demanded that much PP to make good images?


Yep, a bit too much PP for my taste as well. I wonder how these pics will look substantially enlarged?



Dec 29, 2007 at 04:37 AM
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Daan B wrote:
Yep, a bit too much PP for my taste as well. I wonder how these pics will look substantially enlarged?


24x36 is possible with the right capture from a G9. But with any large print it is entirely dependent on the capture itself and the post processing applied. And the key to being able to print large from ANY compact is selective noise removal. I've been making large prints from my G5, Leicasonic DLux3, G7 etc... I apply Noise Ninja to a layer, then paint back in the details as necessary while viewing at the final print resolution. The G9 is a little better at higher print resolutions than the Leica DLux3 and the old G7 thanks to slightly less noise and greater resolution, but not by much. As many have stated before, it really comes down to the photographer, not the camera. The G9 is a wonderfully capable tool in the right hands.

Here's an 18x24 from my old G7 coming off my old Designjet 130. I have since upgraded my printer to a Canon IPF6100:

http://www.pbase.com/chris_miller/image/70741005/original.jpg


And that photo...

http://www.pbase.com/chris_miller/image/70619715/original.jpg



Chris M
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Dec 29, 2007 at 09:00 AM
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Nice work Chris... !





Dec 29, 2007 at 09:50 AM
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I bought a G9 recently, partly to lighten my load in some cases and to use in places were the risk of damage is high (see kayaking).

I went through the usual torture when buying new equipment, comparing features, reading reviews, testing the choices. And then of course agonizing over the advantages and disadvantages for my uses because the choice never seems to be obvious. "If only this camera had this and that camera had that, it would be perfect."

In the end, I came down to four cameras and these pluses and minusesx:

Canon G9. RAW mode, terrific build, best macro performance, more zoom on the long end, largest LCD, probably second in image quality and noise performance to the Fujii.

Panasonic LX2. 28 mm on wide end, RAW mode, good image quality, noise problems even at lower settings, no viewfinder.

Fuji F50fd. Best image quality, best noise performance @ 400, lightest and most compact, least expensive, no RAW mode, no viewfinder.

Nikon 5100. Good color/contrast, less expensive than G9, no RAW mode, serious noise problems.

So, after all that, here's what I wanted - RAW mode, image stabilization, Macro performance, usability and the LCD of the G9, the wide end of the zoom on the LX2, the resolution, noise performance and weight of the F50fd - oh yea, and its price, too. The 5100 didn't impress.

The tipping point for me was the macro performance on the G9 because I do a lot of it on the type of trips where I'd take the smaller camera. The Fuji was a close second becaues of its size and image quality.



Dec 29, 2007 at 09:53 AM
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hogwallow wrote:
I bought a G9 recently, partly to lighten my load in some cases and to use in places were the risk of damage is high (see kayaking).

I went through the usual torture when buying new equipment, comparing features, reading reviews, testing the choices. And then of course agonizing over the advantages and disadvantages for my uses because the choice never seems to be obvious. "If only this camera had this and that camera had that, it would be perfect."

In the end, I came down to four cameras and these pluses and minusesx:

Canon G9. RAW mode, terrific build, best macro performance,
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I use the G9 for a lot of macro work and run into a constant problem of lens shadow. With the flash located off to the side and focusing up close, there is a HUGE shadow created by the lens. That was the first huge disappointment that we had with the G9. Then, when we loaded the images into Adobe's Lightroom, the resulting noise was a further disappointment.

I have not yet mounted an external flash onto the G9 to see if the shadow can be delt with. I have usually used the zoom to work around that. But that is not entirely satisfactory. I am a long time Canon user and feel pretty let down by the G9. Not at all the camera I thought it was. One of my coworkers is rabidly anti Fuji and would not allow me to get a Fuji camera so I went with what I thought was the best non SLR Canon.





Dec 29, 2007 at 11:20 AM
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rattymouse wrote:
I use the G9 for a lot of macro work and run into a constant problem of lens shadow. With the flash located off to the side and focusing up close, there is a HUGE shadow created by the lens. That was the first huge disappointment that we had with the G9. Then, when we loaded the images into Adobe's Lightroom, the resulting noise was a further disappointment.

I have not yet mounted an external flash onto the G9 to see if the shadow can be delt with. I have usually used the zoom to work around that. But that is
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And what other camera with a 35-210 zoom lens and built-in flash would have this same problem? All of them... And what other compact with a 35-210 zoom lens has a built-in hotshoe mount and RAW mode? None of them... If you're serious about macro photography then the G9 is spectacular, leaps above the competition especially with the ability to mount external light sources.

Here's a macro of sorts from my old G7, which my G9 outperforms in every way. This radio is actually less than 4 inches tall. The detail and clarity provided by the G9 is phoenomenal considering its compact size. Of course my DSLRs outperform it, but at 4 times the cost and weight. I''m not foolish enough to compare apples to oranges:

http://www.pbase.com/chris_miller/image/70473549/original.jpg



Chris M
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Dec 29, 2007 at 11:49 AM
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This is a funny thread. You have two nay-sayers throwing out objections. And, then the objections are dealt with, fairly effectively.

You've got Darwin Wiggett, who if you know anything about him, is known for using filters and now post-processing to get the effect he's looking for AND gets better results out of a G9 than most of the folks on this forum do with their SLRs. Not good enough for the nay-sayers, though.

You've got Chris, who obviously knows how to use the camera. Nice print, Chris.

You've got my modest efforts, and I demonstrate how useful the hot shoe is for off camera flash. By the way, Rattymouse, if I'd tried to shoot the onion with the built in flash, it would have looked terrible with the shadow you mention. Not that it belongs in the food photography hall of fame as it is, mind you.

The nay-sayers go on and on, and neither of them have any images for us to peruse to judge their proficiency as a photographer.



Dec 29, 2007 at 12:54 PM
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TBannor wrote:
This is a funny thread. You have two nay-sayers throwing out objections. And, then the objections are dealt with, fairly effectively.

You've got Darwin Wiggett, who if you know anything about him, is known for using filters and now post-processing to get the effect he's looking for AND gets better results out of a G9 than most of the folks on this forum do with their SLRs. Not good enough for the nay-sayers, though.

You've got Chris, who obviously knows how to use the camera. Nice print, Chris.

You've got my modest efforts, and I demonstrate how useful the hot shoe
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I already stated that I use a G9 at WORK, not home. I dont have any images from the G9 at HOME. They are at WORK. Clear enough for you now? I can easily, EASILY post noisy images from the G9 while at WORK. Clear now?





Dec 29, 2007 at 01:17 PM
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TBannor wrote:
This is a funny thread. You have two nay-sayers throwing out objections. And, then the objections are dealt with, fairly effectively.


My objections are purely personal... (matter of taste and preferences)... I don't see how these can be dealt with objectively. It is the same as if you are liking apples and I am liking oranges, and you want me to like apples... Maybe you are on a quest to get me hooked on a G9...

You've got Darwin Wiggett, who if you know anything about him, is known for using filters and now post-processing to get the effect he's looking for AND gets better results out of a G9 than most of the folks on this forum do with their SLRs. Not good enough for the nay-sayers, though.

Yo, TStubborn, again a matter of taste...

You've got Chris, who obviously knows how to use the camera. Nice print, Chris.

Indeed, thanks Chris for trying to teach us something about the possibilities of the G9... It is much appreciated

You've got my modest efforts, and I demonstrate how useful the hot shoe is for off camera flash. By the way, Rattymouse, if I'd tried to shoot the onion with the built in flash, it would have looked terrible with the shadow you mention. Not that it belongs in the food photography hall of fame as it is, mind you.

Agreed, it is never a smart thing to use the built in flash up close. And... your modest efforts are appreciated too (at least by me...)

The nay-sayers go on and on, and neither of them have any images for us to peruse to judge their proficiency as a photographer.

I fail to see the relevance of showing my professional DSLR work in a thread about the IQ of the G9. But like I said before, if one is criticizing the G9, one's abilities as a photog are doubted first... Typical fanboy behaviour. Classic

BTW I am not a "nay-sayer" at all. Right now I have a G9 standing next to my laptop. Still, I don't think it is good enough for my paid jobs... but it is going with me on trips and holidays for sure.

TBannor, you are a wonderfully persistent guy... Now, give it a rest will you?



Dec 29, 2007 at 01:18 PM
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"Typical fanboy behaviour. Classic"

Spot on! Oh so right. Someone could rip me for shooting with a lowley Rebel XT and I would not care one wit. I put all my $$$ in glass, not bodies. People all across other forums have noted the G9's noise long before I did. I am hardly bringing news here. Just expressing an opinion based on experience using the G9.




Dec 29, 2007 at 01:33 PM
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So when you get back to work, show us some. Maybe we can help you with them. As for fanboys, nothing said here strikes me that way.

As for my comments about posting images for us to have a gander at, you misunderstand me. Neither you or DB has a gallery or website in your profiles. I'm asking about your images in general, not the ones you do with a G9 at work. Don't feel obligated on my account, but it would boost some credibility.

As for lowly cameras, here's an image of mine taken with the lowly 10D and 17-40L, so I agree about lenses:

http://books.google.com/books?id=m8yZK0QulMIC&printsec=frontcover

Fanboy? Hardly.


rattymouse wrote:
"Typical fanboy behaviour. Classic"

Spot on! Oh so right. Someone could rip me for shooting with a lowley Rebel XT and I would not care one wit. I put all my $$$ in glass, not bodies. People all across other forums have noted the G9's noise long before I did. I am hardly bringing news here. Just expressing an opinion based on experience using the G9.





Dec 29, 2007 at 02:12 PM
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Hello folks,

I am new to this forum and so have no personal axe to grind nor do I know anything about anyone's personal tastes, photography biases, or history of posting 'tone.'

I started reading this thread because I was interested in the G9. I was glad to see others discussing it.

I want to thank ALL of the thread contributors for their various viewpoints. I found them 'enlightening' and even helpful in many cases.

I was sad to see the discussion turn into a personal 'attack' against a few. I don't understand why discussions like this so often turn into personal finger pointing or such. It is just a waste of time and a waste of goodwill.

I am sure you all enjoy your cameras and your photography. I enjoy reading your views (all of them) and learn something from the 'fanboys' and the 'naysayers' too. Perhaps I am a little more objective because I don't own a G9. Or you might think I am 'clueless' because of that.

One thing I have noticed in the threads of the various 'camps' is that most people approach these arguments without stating enough about their conditions of use and their own expectations for a particular type of photography. For just one example, Daan made some good points about his reluctance to use the tool in question for his professional shoots. He also said he would be glad to use it for his holiday snaps.
That seems pretty fair to me. As I read the thread, I saw how his own comments were also taken and how he was criticized. Coming into this from a 'non-biased' point of view, it did read as 'unfair' to him (my opinion). I also thought he did well to concede some points and to elaborate on how his use may be different and how he would use it for other purposes. That also seemed 'fair' to me.

As for challenging others to post their photos to have credibility, I have faced that challenge myself for many years. I have a business reason for not posting my photos of clients to any forum. So you won't find my 'professional' work on a forum. I have a website you can visit, and it has hundreds of photographs on it, but I choose to not put my photography on a forum. It is a choice.

Because of that, I can totally understand and respect the right or decision of others to not post their professional work on a forum like this. So, I don't think that 'show us or else' type of challenge is good for the forum or for promoting good will or promoting a 'friendly open forum.' Some people may have good points to make without posting photos on a forum. That said, you are welcome to visit my new website if you want, but I have no photos from a G9 as I don't own one.

Others showed examples of prints or links to others sites where the photographs were taken by a G7 or G9. That was helpful too. Thanks for posting those links and the photos.

My point? There are more than two sides to this. And, we each have different requirements and expectations. I would expect mine are different from most too. But, I learn something from the guy who wants to use it for holiday snaps and the guy who wants to do macro of food or objects. Can't you?

I hope to learn more about the G9, and perhaps another thread is the place to do it. This one has gotten pretty....tense.

Thanks again for ALL of your positive or negative (related to the camera only) contributions to the thread. And you may see a new thread from me in the future about this camera. Of course I hope we can all 'get along' and share our opinions without taking them personal. I have just joined this forum a few days ago after being away for many years and I hoped to find a friendly place of people who shared a common interest in photography regardless of their equipment choice or their level of experience and regardless of whether they are amateurs or pros. We can all learn something from someone else.

Sincerely,
Steady Hand



Dec 29, 2007 at 03:08 PM
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Hey A.Y.

Thanks for posting that comparison shot. Very helpful to me.

I think it deserves a thread of its own. This one is getting long and it may be missed by others who would gain from it if it was the thread topic.

Sincerely,
Steady Hand



Dec 29, 2007 at 03:11 PM
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TBannor wrote:
So when you get back to work, show us some. Maybe we can help you with them. As for fanboys, nothing said here strikes me that way.

As for my comments about posting images for us to have a gander at, you misunderstand me. Neither you or DB has a gallery or website in your profiles. I'm asking about your images in general, not the ones you do with a G9 at work. Don't feel obligated on my account, but it would boost some credibility.

As for lowly cameras, here's an image of mine taken with the lowly 10D and 17-40L, so
...Show more

Some of my favorite images that I have taken....

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2064/1565549800_7a292ae1c3_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1005/957099185_9efae69580_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2076/1626512055_de33078d6c_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2389/1678999166_8c72787cd6_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2184/1510220125_be568596c0_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2151/2127473341_5d2cb9b205_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2177/2114212274_44c9eaaa05_b.jpg





Dec 29, 2007 at 03:15 PM
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Hello RattyMouse,

I like your photos.
The waterfront scene (From water level) of Hong Kong is especially nice. I also like the incense with the light coming through the smoke.

But, they deserve a thread of their own without so much 'negative vibe.' They are nice regardless of what kind or model of camera was used.

Were these taken with a G9? Sorry I don't know and this is not a criticism.

Sincerely,
Steady Hand



Dec 29, 2007 at 03:53 PM
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Ah, there you go, Rattymouse. Very nice; first class work.

And to be clear, nothing I've said bordered on a personal attack and certainly didn't mean to be. I'm sorry to have doubted you. To me a personal attack is when you say something absolutely derogatory about someone. I don't think anyone stooped to that in this discussion.

I think we can safely say that the G9 isn't everyone's cup of tea but for some, it may be a viable solution for personal shots when carrying heavy gear isn't possible or practical. I too wonder why Canon stopped at 35mm on the wide end. It's one of the things I miss about the Pro1.

Again, no hard feelings were meant, so have a Happy New Year everyone.



Dec 29, 2007 at 03:57 PM
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Steady Hand wrote:
Hello RattyMouse,

I like your photos.
The waterfront scene (From water level) of Hong Kong is especially nice. I also like the incense with the light coming through the smoke.

But, they deserve a thread of their own without so much 'negative vibe.' They are nice regardless of what kind or model of camera was used.

Were these taken with a G9? Sorry I don't know and this is not a criticism.

Sincerely,
Steady Hand


Hi Steady,

Thanks for the kind words. No these were not shot on a Canon G9, they were shot on my Rebel XT.

Have a great 2008.

rm




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