mrvile7734 wrote:
Does anyone think that Nikon made this announcement now instead of another time because of the effects of the Amazon-Canon "leak?" Are announcements like these normally made during this time of the year or do they seem a little out of place?
This has been scheduled for a long time, I have from a reliable source.
Aug 23, 2007 at 01:51 AM
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Once upon a time, its used to be when Nikon introduced/announced their new digital bodies, Canon will come out and announce their DSLRs with specs that would totally blow Nikon out of the water! But now, the role has been reversed! Super impressive specs on the D3 & D300 that no Canon can even come close at the moment especially with the Live View with AF, FF & 922k LCD!
However, with that said, Canon's service (at least to me or from where I am from) is still light years ahead compared to Nikon's; and that's one advantage that Canon has, but that too, may not be for long.
Its up to the 5D MKII now and perhaps the 1DMK3N to catch up to the competition.. I am sad, sad because I have just spent a fortune on a 1DMK3 only to find the specs are so-so vs the D3 & D300 of the Nikons! And that 14-24 lens - oh I so want that in a Canon!!
I hope Canon drops the price of the 1D3 and 40D now. I think we may see a price drop of the 40D in November (Just before Christmas) or a rebate being offered.
I think the 1D3 will also have a price reduction once the D3 hits the streets.
Very impressive specification, ISO can be expanded to 12,800 and 25,600 wow. I am sure Nikon shooters will appreciate the new VR on the super telephotos too. I am very curious to read the first proper hands on review.
I agree this is great news for everyone. I sure I'm not alone in that this is affecting my thinking in terms of my upgrade game plan. I'm on the waiting list for the 40D but now all of a sudden I'm wondering when the 40D MkII/50D is coming out! I must not be the only one who is now thinking about skipping past the 40D (buying a 30D) and waiting - what 10 months? - for a 50D?
Maybe Canon might do another D60-10D upgrade cycle (12 months) and release a 50D next year! D60 was announced in Feb 2002, and the 10D was announced in Feb 2003.
Time to start the "50D in 2008" thread I guess!
Aug 23, 2007 at 02:50 AM
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brad_s wrote:
I agree this is great news for everyone. I sure I'm not alone in that this is affecting my thinking in terms of my upgrade game plan. I'm on the waiting list for the 40D but now all of a sudden I'm wondering when the 40D MkII/50D is coming out! I must not be the only one who is now thinking about skipping past the 40D (buying a 30D) and waiting - what 10 months? - for a 50D?
10 months Canon haven't start to sell the 40D yet. And you think there will be a 50D in the shops within 10 months
This is very big! The D3 outdoes the 1D3 in every way that I can tell, and the D300 makes the 40D look as lukewarm as the D200 made the 30D look. Last year Nikon pulled ahead of Canon for the first time in decades, and it is not hard to see why.
Canon's remaining two advantages are the 5D and the 1Ds3. This is not enough to fight Nikon with. The money is to be made up to the 40D/D300, and the prestige and pro-market at the top, and if I was buying a DSLR today, it would be D300 or D3, not Canon. Last time I bought a 5D, but since switched to a Leica M8.
One of Canon's problems is that they always seem to hold something back, to make the more expensive models look better. For example, the D200/D300 have 9-exposure bracketing, and the 5D has only 3. I find this attitude very disappointing. Nikon, on the other hand, seems to give everything they can, and the lenses are traditionally better at the wide end.
On reflection, I don't think Canon will be too upset. Neither Nikon design goes head to head with a Canon equivalent. They fit neatly in the gaps, and deliberately so, I suspect.
The D300 doesn't make the 40D any less of a camera, the Canon is just a cheaper, less fully-featured camera than the Nikon body.
The D3 doesn't make the 5D or 1D3 any worse than they currently are. The 5D is a lot cheaper, and two years old. The 1D3 may be slightly overpriced when compared to the D3, and it has had a few teething issues, but by all accounts it's still a beast of a thing.
So where does that leave us? It's been a fantastic week: four brilliant cameras announced, a whole stack of exciting glass to go with them, and Sony yet to show its hand. I can't wait to read the hands-on write ups when they start coming.
*Sensor: APS-H vs Full framed with 3 selectable crop modes
*AF points: 45 vs 51
*Mega Pixels: 10.7 vs 12.1
*Frame rate - 10fps vs 9 fps at FX and 11 fps at 9mp DX mode
*ISO - 50-3200 vs 100-25600
*Shutter life: 300,000 cycles for both models
*The D3 has a faster flash sync speed
*The LCD in the D3 is better then what's on offer by Canon
*Price $4999 for the 1D3 vs $4999.95 for the D3
EOS20 wrote:
And again, Canon is left behind in the MP race with only 10mp in the D40 vs 12 in the D300. I wonder how well the new sensor performs at high ISO's?
Now, with the 30D and the D200 there was a gap of "only" US$ 300: List price on introduction was US$1399 for the 30D and US$1699 for the D200.
Look at it now: The 40D dropped it's introduction list price by US$100, compared to its predecessor. The D300 adds US$100. So you want to directly compare a 1300-ish camera to a 1800-ish camera?
The 40D is already selling for less than €1200, while the D300 list price for us Euro folks is set at €1980. (Both with tax I guess)
The D300 specs look awesome, that's for sure. But with a whopping 50% price difference, I don't think it's fair to directly compare the D300 against the 40D.
There is a $500 USD price difference between Canon's RRP and Nikon's RRP. The street price of the D300 will also drop once retailers get the opportunity to set there prices.
Tentacle wrote:
Now, with the 30D and the D200 there was a gap of "only" US$ 300: List price on introduction was US$1399 for the 30D and US$1699 for the D200.
Look at it now: The 40D dropped it's introduction list price by US$100, compared to its predecessor. The D300 adds US$100. So you want to directly compare a 1300-ish camera to a 1800-ish camera?
The 40D is already selling for less than €1200, while the D300 list price for us Euro folks is set at €1980. (Both with tax I guess)
The D300 specs look awesome, that's for sure. But with a whopping 50% price difference, I don't think it's fair to directly compare the D300 against the 40D....Show more →
Well, if you were looking to buy a 40D but decided you wanted a few more pro features you could a) spend $500 or so more on a D300 or you could b) spend over $3000 more on a 1DIII.
The bottom line is that Nikon is willing to put a huge number of pro features in their semi-pro models. Canon isn't.
The brand war means nothing to me. I would be 100% satisfied with my 1DIII if the AF worked worth a hoot. However, for people on a constant upgrade path or new buyers, it's obvious now that Nikon is no holds barred when it comes to offering pro features at an affordable price.
Er, the D3 isn't out yet and no one knows how it performs. Anyone can make a great camera on paper.
It's good that Nikon's finally gone full frame and have a few neat features but ultimately this will just stop the gradual Nikon-Canon drift for a while rather than see a genuine two-horse race again.
Richard Steer wrote:
At the moment, the answer to that is that the D3 looks good, whereas the 1D3 is good. We won't know the full story until November.
R.
Yeah its great, If you can get get it to work the way it was designed to!
I wonder if the introduction of these models will push Canon to start including 1-series AF in their future prosumer models? That's the one thing I would have really loved for Canon to have implemented in the 40D.
If someone had asked for 1-series AF in the 40D a week ago, I would have brushed it off as a ridiculous notion... now I'm not so sure...
