05xrunner wrote:
So this went from a Photokina thread to just talking about how an ef-s lens works and full frame.
So the word all over the net seems to be saying the 40D should come out.
with 10.1MP, sensor cleaner, digic III and 2.5" screen
so i dont know if any of it will all hold up. I hope it does cause I really wanna upgrade my body but if this comes out I dont wanna buy the 30D now and this released.
Well, after 1700 posts the rumors have been almost beaten to death. A few pages back some new comments were made about major releases possibly forthcoming (including rumored specs), but with no hard evidenced the conversation just meanders through many topics. This came up because some are hoping that a 1.3 crop 30D replacement camera will be released that can take EF-S, and because one of the rumors is an EVF/rangefinder type camera that can take EF/EF-S lenses.
Just wanted to keep you updated. Checked today personally the German magazine "Color Foto" - I was writing about in a previous posting - and I can now confirm (at the end of the 400D news section):
"... a 40D with 10MP is also announced by Canon." (translated)
Now, what's up with an updated 5D or 1Ds2? Join me counting ... t minus six ...
the original poster of the thread at dpreview which prompted the resurgance of the 1.3x crop rumour has updated the thread with the news that it was all a misunderstanding (involving photocopier salesman, the 5D and other oddities) and to cut a long story short his contacts are not aware of any new stuff coming at Photokina.....
timbop wrote:
OK, my worthless final prediction (I am vey much a pessimist):
No 30D replacement at photokina
No 5D replacement at photokina
possibly 1dsm3 announced at photokina, not shipped until dec or jan.
New camera line released, but nothing I want/can afford
I'm going with the yet more extreme minimalist (pessimist?) line -- no new camera or camera line announced at all. The 400D was it.
We are having fogless mornings here in Northern California, it's Fall bird migration, and I've gotta get away from my computer, work, and the forums, and take some pix.
chaosman wrote:
Just wanted to keep you updated. Checked today personally the German magazine "Color Foto" - I was writing about in a previous posting - and I can now confirm (at the end of the 400D news section):
"... a 40D with 10MP is also announced by Canon." (translated)
Now, what's up with an updated 5D or 1Ds2? Join me counting ... t minus six ...
This seems to be our best source so far of another new body, and seems highly likely. I'm sure Canon is aware the release of the 400D/XTi may cut into the sales of the 30D and had the 40D planned all along as their major announcement at Photokina, I'm sure it's going to be feature loaded and be a nice upgrade to the 20D/30D and if they do increase the ISO and DR that will be major!
It would seem then that the speculation for the major pro body releases will wait until 2007, probably right before PMA as so many have suggested. This will give Canon time to work out any kinks with Digic III in the 40D for the next few months. You can be certain they already have the CMOS chips for the next gen 1 series, the question will be what MP will they come in at... for the 1Ds the predominant thought is 22MP which I find so ironic because when the 1Ds MkII came out a lot of people complained the 16.7MP was the absolute limit for the current lens lineup, I can only imagine all the complaining if they release a 22MP version
Just to be, well, different here are my almost totally random predictions - for what they are worth. (Likely very little... :-)
I think there is a 22 MP high end body in the works, but I think Canon will only say something about it coming out at a future date rather than actually releasing it. If I had to guess, I'd say it won't actualy be available before the end of the calendar year.
I think we'll get some information about a 5D update, model split, or replacement. I'd love to see the actual cameras right away, but I'm skeptical about the timing.
Really going out on a limb, I don't think they will announce a 40D. (But I think I may regret that one... they've got t do something about the greater MP, etc. in the 400D before long.)
I think (well, hope, actually) that there might be something about new primes updating/replacing some of the aging non-L wide angles.
I still have my crazy notion about Canon eventually moving the market segment currently focused on crop sensor 30D bodies to a full-frame replacement, and I'd be really happy to hear/see something about this new, but I think it may be a bit too early.
Maybe the EF-S lenses will work on APS-H as well? When Canon originally released 1.3 crop cams (was that the D60 and D30), EF-S mount didn't exist yet, right, so it would make sense that these lenses wouldn't mate up to the old APS-H size.
That would be vignette city! The easy way for Canon to think about it is that APS-H uses FF lenses - if the format gets into more general use, all they do is release something similar to the Sigma 12-24 for great WA.
Regards,
DaveMart
Everyone keeps saying this, but I'm proposing that EF-S may have been designed to fit 1.6 and 1.3 crop cams from the beginning. Just because Canon didn't produce a 1.3 crop camera yet doesn't mean that they didn't have the foresight to design EF-S lenses to work with that system as well! I'm just speculating, but it really is hard to swallow the idea that they'd create a new mount and only have 1 or 2 bodies that can use it. Maybe I'm completely off base here. When you mount an EF-S lens to the camera, you still multiply the "real" focal lenghts by 1.6 to get the "recorded" focal lengths, right? As in that EF-S 17-55 is actually 27-88? ...Show more →
I would be very pleased to see this and I think many other current 20D/30D users would be as well. I am a nature photographer and the 1.6 crop has been a great way to extend the reach of both my telephoto and macro lens. I did buy the 17-55, 10-22 and 60mm EF-S lenses and have been very pleased with all of them. My 20D may be on its last leg (going back to Canon this week) and I need (want) to buy a new body. A 1.3 crop that accepts EF-s lenses would be a "no brainer" for me and would make a good upgrade path for the EF-S "prosumers". Where do I place my order?
Edited by jimcoleman on Sep 21, 2006 at 01:06 AM GMT
Edited by Jeff on Sep 20, 2006 at 01:32 PM GMT (Reason: quote tags for clarity (I think!))
danmitchell wrote:
Really going out on a limb, I don't think they will announce a 40D. (But I think I may regret that one... they've got t do something about the greater MP, etc. in the 400D before long.)
Well, to me the 40D update makes sense. Market still is perfectly focused on MP - it's amazing how often I'm asked about the MP my camera provides ... and not only from P&Sers. Quite sure, Canon is losing market share to Nikon D200 only because of the higher amount of MP - even if it's only on the paper, not in the image, nowadays only the "few" (market share wise) "more" professional/experienced users seem to not care MP.
"Die Geister, die du riefst ..." / "The ghosts you called ..." - you know ?
While all of us are thinking about a 40D, remember there is still BOTH a 20D and 30D actively for sale in the market. I really doubt they would add a third xxD, and I am not aware of huge incentives to get the 20D off the shelves.
If they need to come out with a 40D short term to defend themselves in the 10mp market, it will probably be just a 400D with metal body, native 3200 ISO (expanded to 6400 or 12800) with DIGIC III and bigger/faster buffer, and that's about it.
Dreamin' of something better, salted with a dash of reality.
Really going out on a limb, I don't think they will announce a 40D. (But I think I may regret that one... they've got t do something about the greater MP, etc. in the 400D before long.)
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Well, having a clear reference to the 40D in print, in the German Color Foto magazine, http://www.colorfoto.de/cofo/home should make you think twice about such claims Dan Chance of it being a typo, mistakenly leaving a '0' off is very slim, because they specifically use the word "auch", or "also" in english.
If they need to come out with a 40D short term to defend themselves in the 10mp market, it will probably be just a 400D with metal body, native 3200 ISO (expanded to 6400 or 12800) with DIGIC III and bigger/faster buffer, and that's about it.
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We've been here before. What's a 10D over a 300D? Magnesium body, a bit faster, better AF, more functions. What's a 20/30D over a 350D? Magnesium body, more fps, better AF, more functionality. Ok, and the 30D has spotmetering over the 20D. Leaves you a pretty good idea on what to expect.
Noise-wise? We've been here too. 300/350/400D doesn't have ISO3200, 10/20/30D does. Each time we see slightly better SNR, extended ISO 3200 looks better each generation. Expect a similar step with the 40D. Remember that the increase in pixelcount negates some of the SNR gain.
Native ISO3200? I really really hope so, but I am not expecting it, based on what we've seen before with the 10/20/30D evolution. Remeber that DIGIC III will only bring better software based noise reduction to the table. It all depends on the sensor (and not on DIGIC) if ISO 3200 will be true or extended.
Tentacle wrote: "Well, having a clear reference to the 40D in print, in the German Color Foto magazine, http://www.colorfoto.de/cofo/home should make you think twice about such claims Dan"
Believe me, I thought twice - more, even - while I wrote that! As I wrote, my "predictions" are worth pretty much nothing... ;-)
For those of use who don't read german, was there only that single sentence about the 40D? Seems odd that they would only include that single sentence, and an entire article about the 400D.
Unfortunately, I don't have the full article. Color Foto subscribers get their copy before it ends up in the stores (like so many magazines, this is nothing special) and one subscriber mentioned that on page 16, above an article on the new 400D, they mention that "Auch eine EOS 40D mit 10 Megapixeln ist von Canon angekündigt."
Now, german isn't my native tongue, but If I'm right, that translates roughly to "Also, an EOS 40D with 10 megapixels has been announced by Canon".
I just did some investigation in the DPP/ZoomBrowser shipped with the XTi/400D.
Guess what I found
deImgT72.dll (ZoomBrowser) - GNU 'strings -a' output: Canon EOS-1DX
EOS D6000C
EOS D2000C
Canon EOS-1DS
Canon EOS-1D
Canon EOS D60
Canon EOS D30
Those are some of the strings included in that specific dynamic library file. The string "Canon EOS-1DX" can also be found in other .dll-files / Canon .dll-files.
I ran a cross-check on the previous ZoomBrowser EX version and could not find a single reference to even only "1DX".
So, if someone can tell me which parameters, needed by an application, that are not contained directly in the camera raw file, maybe I can find out more by deeper digging in the dll files ... it would be even better, if here is someone on the board with better experience in debugging windows-DLLs, as I´m focussed on linux software development (elf-libraries).
Mark Shaxted wrote:
Canon EOS-1DX is also in deImgT71.dll
Yes, it can be found in a couple of dlls ... but that's not unusual, as a linking in a software build process can result in a duplication across multiple libraries.
), EF-S mount didn't exist yet, right, so it would make sense that these lenses wouldn't mate up to the old APS-H size.
