Guy Mancuso wrote:
Rumor , hold on need to find Larry Carter, SIGMA yes that 3rd party little company that makes 3rd party lenses for your Canon. Coming out with a equivelent of a 14mpx camera. Hmmm
Good source to boot
If anyone doesn't think that MPs still play an important role in advertising / selling higher end cameras Guy's post should be a wake-up call. The mere suggestion that it is a 14mp body was enough to pique his interest and this is from a person using some of the top equipment in existence.
Realistically, MP still sell bodies, even at a professional level. It may not be the primary factor in the final purchase decision but it is a "get them in the door" item of great import. Equally, Canon doesn't want to get into a situation where they have to do defensive marketing - the 30D has fewer MP but it is a better camera because of X, Y and Z. When selling you never want to have to say "but" to a potential customer.
The point to this is that 400D totally changes the Canon line up and you can be sure that they know it. It would be nuts for them to sacrifice the 30D class user by leaving them behind the 400D with a lower quality sensor (not only more MPs but a newer design). This is a group that spends tons of money on lenses and to leave them out in the cold is as smart as Canon providing cab fare to the nearest Nikon only dealer.
My prediction remains, Canon will respond in a big way at Photokina. They have to. Even 800 pound gorillas are no match for a little guy with an accurate bullet.
Guy Mancuso wrote:
Canon is done for Photokinia, you got what was announced. PMA you will see the 1dsMKIII, need to change the name for this.
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*evilgrin* nope canon is comming with something new yet. Doesn't have to be big and profy but there is still something comming. Canon isn't taking that much space on a show, cancelling all their sponsorships (no Canon at Champions League this year) and cutting more costs just to release 3 new compacts, one SLR cam, a line of new printers and 5 new camcorders ... *evilgrin*
Typically the latest technology is first introduced in one product only. This helps in controlling the affects of its possible problems, delays and typically additional costs involved in new components. Even if it will appear in two new cameras simultaneously, it doesn't change the basic principle.
Makes sense. very much so knowing what i know *again evilgrin*.
ps.: the 200 1.8 was misinterpreted by my boss over the phone with the canon rep. got that cleared out on monday. he said a 200 lens (meaning the 70-200 ...) and since we were all hoping for it since the rumors earlier this year ...
ebeaydojraes wrote:
he said a 200 lens (meaning the 70-200 ...) and since we were all hoping for it since the rumors earlier this year ...
T H A N K Y O U. This must be it....
People new camera IS IN this thread. Prepare your VISA'S
If you're not a pro It's gonna hurt your wallet.
Guy Mancuso wrote:
Henry i am always looking around no matter how good my gear is which it is no question but I am looking for a backup to the DMR because i may sell my second R9/DMR to get a M8 and i need a SLR backup. The Sigma sounds interesting but i need to read the article.Alkso can I use my Leica glass on it. But i do keep a sharp eye on the industry and any working Pro should do the same.
As well you should. My only point was the power that MPs have in attracting attention at all levels of the digital market. It is unfortunate but it is a reality that Canon faces as they have to stay away from defensive selling. It is one thing to get into a pissing contest with Nikon and others over CMOS v. CCD sensors but it is entirely another to have to defend one primary model when a lesser model trumps it in terms of the most visible spec and is upgraded to match it in many others.
Whether new models are annouced at Photokina or not is beyond me but I feel very comfortable in suggesting that the changes to the Canon line-up that will occur next six months will be the most dramatic since they switched mounts.
PS. Since everyone suspects that changes are coming Canon really has little to lose by pulling a Kodak and annoucing future products at Photokina well prior to their introduction. They are already losing sales as people are waiting for the next generation and like Kodak did so many times, they can freeze the market. Sure it causes a short term slump (probably made up for by 400D sales at Christmas) but it is a very effective way to prevent the migration to a different manufacturer.
(For those that don't know or remember... Kodak produced some very high-end products for commercial labs. Their favorite trick was to wait until a competitor showed their newest offering and then trump it with the annoucement of an often yet to be developed product. They killed a lot of the competition in that manner as they were always well ahead of everyone else - on paper.)
Hrow wrote:
(For those that don't know or remember... Kodak produced some very high-end products for commercial labs. Their favorite trick was to wait until a competitor showed their newest offering and then trump it with the annoucement of an often yet to be developed product. They killed a lot of the competition in that manner as they were always well ahead of everyone else - on paper.)
Very, very, true. Boeing and Airbus are prime examples of this practice, which extends all the way back to the days of McDonnel Douglas producing the DC-8 to include many enhancements and improvements airlines voiced after acquiring the 707, which was first to market, and ultimately well outsold. The endless Intel/AMD battle is another prime example.
I too am dismayed at the pixel cramming for no photographic benefit. While there's absolutely no inherent reason to go out and buy the very latest just for the sake of owning it, over time, there does come the problem that many other features become unavailable without also perhaps getting caught up in what I've come to call "spec p*ssing".
I do believe that Photokina will bring us more news, although given what's been already announced, I'm not sure the capacity exists for a whole lot more in terms of number of new SKU's. What I do believe will be announced, or is at least most likely will be:
1Ds Mark II Successor
EF equivalent of 17-55 f/2.8 IS (perhaps a stabilized 24-70 L)
At least one wide-angle EF-S prime
Perhaps an updated 14 L (which needs it, but for which I'd kick myself after spending $1,800 for the only show in town)
canong3 wrote:
People new camera IS IN this thread. Prepare your VISA'S
If you're not a pro It's gonna hurt your wallet.
Got any more hints so i know whether it's gonna be worth it to eat nothing but ramen for the next 2 months?
Stanzani [Alessandro Stanzani, the head of Canon Consumer Imaging UK] added that, despite its current focus on flat-screen technology in partnership with Toshiba, Canon is increasing investment into camera and lens R&D, along with its other 'core businesses'; such as camcorders.
He pointed to the huge growth in lens sales this year. Last year, sales of lenses amounted to 0.5 units per DSLR camera sold. So far this year, the figure is 1.2.
He said that Canon can 'still grow its core (image capture) business', but admitted that it will be 'challenging' for cameras, given its current domination of the market and increased competition. He added that 'printers are a big opportunity' - about which there will be further news next week
He also added that a new pro camera is 'in the pipeline', but refused to speculate when it might arrive. 'A new pro camera requires such a large investment that it can't happen every six months - which photographers are probably thankful about.'
When I order a 1dmark2 n from a Canadian Canon retailer today,they ask me to hold back,cuz they were told about new 1DS will come out at 9th Sept.
lets wait for that day
What might really be indicative in that is whether or not they had the 1D Mk II N actually in stock...and could get one.
The Japanese perfected "just in time" stock management. Canon certainly knows how to guage production with the introduction with new models, and the retailers can probably read the tea leaves. Few Canon retailers kept 1D cameras on the shelves, and those that did probably didn't keep very many.
My point is that shelf stock is probably nothing Canon worries about with the introduction of a new camera, and if the smaller retailers can't get one, that would indicate Canon has closed the spigot.
The scuttlebutt is true: Canon will not announce a new 1D camera at Photokina....not a new "1D" camera.
They're going to drop the numeral completely and call it the DL. The "L" stands for either "Legend" or "Luxury," take your pick. There will be a DL and a DLs (or possibly DLx).
Seems like the rumors are getting more aligned as Photokina approaches. If all the fuss is correct, which it seemed to be about the 50 L and the XTi/400D, then it would seem Canon will be introducing a 5D replacement or possibly another niche camera (not replacing the 5D).
The 5D has not appealed to me because of the 20D/30D ergonomics (once you've shot with a 1 series how can you go back), but Canon just might tempt me if they came out with a FF 12MP or higher dSLR packed nicely in the EOS 3 body with the optional vertical grip. If they can fit a 2.5" screen on the XTi then they can certainly put a 2.5-3" LCD on the back of the EOS 3 type.
I know, I know, maybe I'm rejuvenating the long time rumor of the EOS 3D, but after 3+ years of begging from photographers you'd think Canon would listen and put something out there just to appease us I for one would drop my 20D in a heartbeat and pick up a 3D or whatever they want to call it as a second body just so I don't have to mess around with all the different functions...
*again evilgrin*.
), but Canon just might tempt me if they came out with a FF 12MP or higher dSLR packed nicely in the EOS 3 body with the optional vertical grip. If they can fit a 2.5" screen on the XTi then they can certainly put a 2.5-3" LCD on the back of the EOS 3 type.
I for one would drop my 20D in a heartbeat and pick up a 3D or whatever they want to call it as a second body just so I don't have to mess around with all the different functions...