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This is the only picture that was there: http://www.canon.com.cn/down/news/images/news_060822_02.jpg

Challenges for the new standards-based digital Chan Fan-Canon EOS 400D and issued digital cameras Danfan; EF lens products i2006-08-22j

August 24, 2006, Canon (China) Ltd. in Beijing issued a 35-mm single lens reflective camera digital new products EOS 400D . This new product with a number of the latest technologies from Canon, with outstanding picture quality, mature design and perfect functions for induction-level digital cameras Shanfan established higher standards. EOS 400D 10.1 million effective pixels using new CMOS image sensor with integrated dust removal system is the most advanced and equipped with 2.5-inch wide-area automatic offer LCD,9 point autofocus system, rich photographs style Airframe delicate portable.

"This is the long-awaited market products to be 10 million pixels and improve the removal system level marked EOS 400D Entry level digital cameras Danfan will lead into a new era. "Canon (China) Co., Ltd. Department senior general manager of consumer products images information Jigangda sang said," Canon is a long history of camera manufacturers, but also digital video industry leaders, sets in the areas top technology advantages, EOS 400D Performance closer to the professional level digital cameras Shanfan also have higher Xingjiebi. "

The boundary pixels CMOS image sensor and high-performance digital video processor.

Image sensor and digital image processor two core technologies, determine digital cameras in picture quality Danfan the performance. Canon independent development and manufacture of CMOS image sensors with Xinzaobi high, wide dynamic range, low transmission speed and consumption advantages EOS 400D Use APS-C size (22.2 x 14.8 mm) CMOS image sensor, lens focal length conversion factor is 1.6 times, which reached 10.1 million effective pixels, maximum resolution photographs to 3888 x 2592 pixels, ISO sensibility scope of the installation by 100 to 1,600. ensure that the lighting in various conditions can be used EOS 400D The picture quality was excellent.

Canon independent development of the second generation of high-performance digital image processor DIGIC II, the unique structure and processing algorithms for high picture quality and high-speed image processing at the same time achieve its high-resolution CMOS image sensors with the combination of photographs with rich details and a realistic sense of the true colors restored.

The complete removal of functional

Dan Fan for digital camera lens can be an important advantage for shooting different subjects photographs facilitated. However, the replacement lens in the process, outside dust very easily into Airframe house, once dust in the image sensor, attached to the photographs, may be visible, resulting in lower picture quality. EOS 400D Canon introduced the EOS develop new integrated dust removal system, which is a curb dust including the generation, accumulation and removal of a comprehensive and effective measures for sensor dust, EOS 400D Danfan also become digital cameras, Canon EOS 1, with the dust functional models. EOS 400D Airframe internal (such as the shutter unit and serial Gai, etc.) used to contain dust crumbs from agencies and materials, and conducted Kangjingdian processing, which can greatly reduce dust particles all the time and the adsorption process. For the removal of dust, EOS integrated dust removal system following three measures : Since cleaning sensors modules (Self Cleaning Sensor Unit), removal functions (Dust Delete function) and manual cleaning sensors.

First, since the cleaning sensors modules

EOS 400D There are three levels of CMOS optical sensors former low-tide, low-tide sensors and sealed together, dust only chemical components in the sensor most of the first outer layer optical low-tide, without entering internal components. In the first top-tier low-camera installed piezoelectric elements, piezoelectric components produced by ultrasound vibration to the first tier in the low-tide accelerated vibration, thereby causing chemical in his dust, the dust will adhere ended in the first tier of 25-40 low-bottom filter material. In EOS 400D The acquiescence of, cameras, sensors switch on the machine and communications modules can be activated automatically since cleaning; Switch on the machine may also be required under state through the establishment of manual activation of the menu functions. Clean sensors modules since about 1 seconds each time, it can effectively remove most of the dust through. Canon EOS cameras filmed priority is always the design ideas, since the sensors clean modules work, half will be interrupted by the camera shutter button and immediately return to shooting clean state to ensure that photographers not to miss the decisive moment.

Second, dust removal function

For some special minor or special Nien stubborn dust, sensors modules may be difficult to effectively clean since removed. To deal with this situation, EOS 400D The removal functions will be very effective, through this function, one can check out the material in the low-level image size and location of the dust removal data, and their subsequent removal of data added to the image data, pictures, then Digital Photo Professional 2.2 software through random to the removal of image data effectively reduce dust impact or dust effects reduced to less than aware of the extent.

Third, the manual removal

Through the camera menu "clean sensors" functional and lock up reflective panels, opened the shutter curtains, gas blowing softly blew onto the dust in the sensor components.

The comprehensive professional functions and further enhance performance.
EOS 400D Introduced with the same high-precision 9:00 EOS 30D automatically wide area autofocus system, compared with the previous generation of products, automatic light autofocus function in a weaker environment. 35 meter zone evaluation system provides evaluation meter, and the central focus of local orbital average orbital three ways. Use the 2.5-inch 230,000 pixels offer LCD, a menu and browse photographs more clearly, convenient, the screen brightness can be adjusted in the context of 7 level, the highest brightness than the EOS 30D and EOS 5D raise about 40%. LCD above the closing show additional sensors, sensors to detect eye to people close to the optical span devices to film, with the closure of an LCD showing avoid bright LCD cause eye irritation. EOS 400 with "style photographs (Picture Style)" function. Choose different photos style, as the film features different options to meet different shooting intention, in addition to the pre-set standards, portrait, landscape, neutral, reliable and monochromatic set up six, three more since the definition photographs style. Each style can to Ruiduo, contrast, saturation, and other parameters for fine-tuning, unlimited meet photographic creativity. EOS 400D 11 Since the definition of functions, user-friendly habits on the basis of their own creation. Which prolonged exposure Jiangzao functions could be designed as "automatic" camera automatically detect exposure time to reach or exceed 1 seconds photographs, Jiangzao.

Speed performance digital cameras Danfan important indicators, EOS 400D The activation speed is 0.2 seconds, Lianpai rate reached 3 Zhang / s, a maximum of 27 shooting Zhang Zhang JPEG or 10 raw photos. Shutter speed range is 1/4000-30 seconds, the maximum flash synchronization speed of 1/200 seconds.

The good compatibility of the EOS system.
EOS 400D Overall balance of the 60 compatible Canon; EF lens series, including Canon specifically for use APS-C size CMOS image sensor digital camera designed Shanfan EF-S programs such huge lens group for shooting various topics users a comprehensive solution. EOS 400D Ex series Speedlite flash support, to ensure the E-TTL II environment can be optimized in various flash exposure. Battery boxes and handle BG-E3 facilitate vertical shoot to install 2 NB-2LH lithium batteries, can be installed 6 5th batteries.

The connectivity and software.
EOS 400D A USB 2.0 high-speed transmission interface, through the cameras embedded PTP transmission agreement, cameras and computers can directly connect photo transmission, or with the support of PictBridge cameras will be connected to the printer and print photos directly.

EOS 400D Random with the latest version of Canon digital cameras Shanfan solution EOS digital solution disk Ver. 13, including specifically for digital camera applications development Danfan the EOS 195,000 1.1 (Windows/Macintosh) strong professional image processing software Digital Photo Professional 2.2 (Windows/Macintosh) check images and editing software ZoomBrowser ex 5.7 (Windows) /ImageBrowser 5.7 (Macintosh), the raw image processing software raw Image Task 2.4 (Windows/Macintosh); PhotoStitch 3.1 software image combinations (Windows/Macintosh).

The family of two; EF lens star.
"L" is the first letter of the English words luxury in the EOS series Shanfan cameras use; EF series lens, red "L" as a symbol of the highest optical quality of Canon. And EOS 400D There are also issued two; EF lens new products, which are new members of the L lens, with a distinct personality and outstanding image quality.

The new lens; EF 70-200mm f/4L is USM.
Canon launched in 1999 Yuanshe photography; EF 70-200mm f/4L USM sets excellent optical quality and lightweight portable characteristics favored by many users. With the popularity of digital cameras Danfan, users will browse or photographs enlarged print, more convenient than ever, cameras and camera instability caused problems more easily blurred images shown. In such cases, an increase of is (Image Stabilizer) optical image stabilizer new products; EF 70-200mm f/4L is USM will help users shooting clearer picture.

; EF is USM 70-200mm f/4L optical lenses structure is 15 Group 20, which includes one of fluorite lenses and two pieces of ultra-dispersive (jump) lenses. It is 1.2 metres recently stabbed distance, using circular ultrasonic motor-driven automatic autofocus lens, quiet and speedy and has a full-time manual autofocus function. Canon is optical image stabilizer available to the largest number of four stalls shutter speed Fangdoudong results. Better results raise dust and waterproof sealed Ti performance. Scene optical components are used environmental unleaded glass materials.

The new lens; EF 50mm f/1.2L USM.
There will be a large-calibre professional focus has always been; EF lens series of the most watched products to their excellent image quality and strong performance of a large number of amateur photographers dream. Canon first use of high index of refraction glass manufacturing large-calibre high-precision non-spherical lenses have excellent resolution and contrast, the big winner of the second focus of imaging to become a USM; EF 50mm f/1.2L f/1.2L II USM EF85 mm section after another shooting portrait photographs weapon.

; EF 50mm USM f/1.2L optical lenses structure is six groups of eight, including one of the non-spherical lenses. Recently stabbed distance of 0.45 metres, eight films circular aperture can be very soft, the focus imaging. In conjunction with the use of digital cameras, Chan Fan, super spectral coating technology effectively curbed images and flicker phenomenon. Circular ultrasonic motor-driven automatic autofocus lens, and a full-time manual autofocus function. New sealed more effective dust and waterproof drip effect. Scene optical components are used environmental unleaded glass materials.



Aug 23, 2006 at 01:12 AM
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p.29 #2 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread


Have a look at these bombshell photos: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=19703504

click first link in thread.



Aug 23, 2006 at 01:48 AM
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While hiking today I was thinking about Canon cameras and how the different models fit into the overall line-up. I wonder if where Canon is heading is something like the following:

A 400D (or whatever it is called) is introduced. It makes more buyers consider it as instead of the 30D since image quality is arguably better, it has some newer features such as dust removal, etc.

But that's OK. At some point Canon lowers the price of their low-end 12 MP FF camera (the current 5D or something that follows it) to a point only a few hundred dollars above the price of the 30D (perhaps $1500-$1800)... and the 30D then goes away. In other words, Canon moves the portion of the market that was interested in the crop sensor 30D "up" to a FF sensor camera at a price point not too far above that of the 30D. (How many 20D/30D owners would consider an upgrade to a FF camera under these circumstances? Quite a few, I think. And those who wouldn't? They would continue to be happy with their 20D/30D, or maybe even think about the 400D.)

A new FF camera is eventually introduced at a price point midway between the re-priced 5D and the 1-series cameras - in a sense it takes the place of the current 5D. Perhaps it has a 16 MP sensor and a few other desirable features not in the 5D, such as a high frame rate for action/sport photography, etc.

At some point the 1-series cameras merge into a single new body with the same pixel density as the 8.2 MP cameras, but with a full frame sensor - thus providing something like a 22 MP sensor.

One other thought... people have pointed out that the pixel density on a 22 MP full-frame sensor is about the same as that on an 8.2 MP 1.6x crop sensor. However, if Canon can now put 10.1 MP on the 1.6x crop sensor, shouldn't it be possible to create a full-frame sensor with the same pixel density that provides about 26-27 MP?

And still one more... perhaps the 350D sticks around as the new low-end DSLR, at a reduced price?

All of this - in the nutty spirit of this thread - is totally wild conjecture and has no basis in actual fact whatsoever. Which means, I suppose, that I'm off topic since this doesn't include any "rumors." But what the heck, its fun to speculate, too... ;-)

Dan



Aug 23, 2006 at 02:03 AM
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The real deal or PSCS2.......time will tell.......

Tom



Aug 23, 2006 at 02:25 AM
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Don't you just love these machine translation?

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Aug 23, 2006 at 02:29 AM
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Ouch, and I bought my 70-200 f/4 in May Hopefully it will be more expensive so that mine doesn't drop that much in value.

The 400D does seem like quite a nice upgrade. Still no mention of a spot meter though. I guess I'll hold out untill the 30Ds replacement is released.



Aug 23, 2006 at 02:31 AM
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I suggested a week or two ago that the 1.6 crop bodies would merge, and got only one response, a negative one. Nevertheless, I agree that the X0D line and DRebel line will be the first to merge....

That 50 f/1.2 might interesting to play with.....$1200 street, and it's doable.



Aug 23, 2006 at 02:39 AM
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p.29 #8 · 'Unofficial' Photokina RUMOR Thread


saved pictures of the 400d and lenses here:

http://hem.bredband.net/content/canon/400d/



Aug 23, 2006 at 02:42 AM
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eosfun wrote:
Let's face the real EOSfun!


See? There's that phrase again.



Aug 23, 2006 at 04:04 AM
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So this 400D is just meant to kick the Sony Alpha into touch is it? The 350D is better than the Sony already, so I guess Canon are trying to just stamp out the Sony before it gets going.
Does this mean there's no high-end camera coming this year? There's not been any convincing photos of any yet.



Aug 23, 2006 at 04:19 AM
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Sprout Crumble wrote:
The 30D is a holdover model, nothing more, and development costs must have been minimal, especially in light of sales since. Its expendable in the short term to ensure the strongest possible presence in the entry-level segment.

I don't believe the 5D is due an upgrade based on the rebate. The 5D sells at two and a half times the price of the 30D in Europe, yet claims only the FF sensor as a valid stand-out feature. As the vast majority of the market couldn't give a toss about FF, or even know it exists, sales are comparitively poor and
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Valid point Mick. I agree probably price is the main driver, although I think that the position of the 5D is quiet unique, The image quality is astonishing and that creates a position for the product at about that price (only the market for that product is comparetively small) other features of the product are leaning more towards 20/30D (especially AF). I think they use the the rebate policy to price the thing right. Anyways as already stated I agree with you that there will not be any upgrade or else with the 5D

Cheers

Krien



Aug 23, 2006 at 04:28 AM
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danmitchell wrote:
A 400D (or whatever it is called) is introduced. It makes more buyers consider it as instead of the 30D since image quality is arguably better, it has some newer features such as dust removal, etc.

But that's OK. At some point Canon lowers the price of their low-end 12 MP FF camera (the current 5D or something that follows it) to a point only a few hundred dollars above the price of the 30D (perhaps $1500-$1800)... and the 30D then goes away. In other words, Canon moves the portion of the market that was interested in the crop sensor 30D
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I think that makes a lot of sense, - especially if they keep the 350D or something similar and make it dirt-cheap.
That will effectively take out the value of the low-end market for Sony, Nikon etc., - and the only supplier of FF is ... yep Canon.
I guess they can all (Sony, Nikon, Canon et al) make money on the low-end market, - but just not enough that it's all that interesting. This might be a nice try to get Sony to back-off, - not that I or Canon (I think) actually believe in that, - but if there ever was a way, - this has got to be it.

Only draw-back, - they are p*ss*ng on the recent 30D buyers, - but I guess that's how life is.

I don't think that there will be 30D-replacement, 5D (pretty much as of now) and 1D all full-frame though. But the 5D could have some of the things you mention, - and perhaps a mit more and be the long-awaited 3D? Still, it's a bit crowed, not?



Aug 23, 2006 at 04:42 AM
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A full-frame camera that can do 6fps or more would be perfect for me - at the moment the 5D is way off in terms of frame rate - there's almost no point in having the servo and burst function. Compared to a 1D II N there's only about 400 difference on Ebay for a 5D, and at 1.3 crop the 1D is close enough to FF for most uses.
The 5D needs a serious revamp in my opinion, but I guess that would kill the need for a 1D.

I suppose really there are so many cameras out there now that most bases have been covered!



Aug 23, 2006 at 04:47 AM
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I'd love a weather sealed, 21 point AF camera at around 2500. The next 5D?


Aug 23, 2006 at 05:43 AM
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If all this is going to be is a 400D and a couple of lenses, it definitely does NOT justify that dramatic "All legends begin somewhere, 24/8/06" (or whatever it was) on that Canon advertisement. I'll be very disappointed that its not something more amazing!




Aug 23, 2006 at 06:13 AM
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30 pages later and all I want still is the 40/1.2 that seems to be shown on the "3D" in some of the links...you guys are all wrong! Let the oddball BE! (Let's see how strong my wizard powers are these days...). Dang, I forget Latin...so it will probably be a 50/1.2 @ $1,200...

The wizard sees a 35/1.4 in his future still...




Aug 23, 2006 at 06:14 AM
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I'd be willing to bet that if Canon does drop the 400D/Rebel XTi at PMA then they will also announce a 30D replacement with the same 10MP sensor. I'd also expect a permanent price drop on the 5D of maybe $500. Then they can revise the Marks for PMA.

I'm amused at how many people expect Canon to make FF the standard of the future, but the thing that is overlooked is that Canon has commited to EF-S lens design ensuring the 1.6 crop is here to stay on at least part of range. Thus the 5D won't likely be positioned as a real alternative to the 30D or it's replacement for quite some time, if ever.



Aug 23, 2006 at 06:51 AM
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Is it 24/08/06 anywhere in the World yet ?


Aug 23, 2006 at 07:21 AM
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wtlloyd wrote:
I suggested a week or two ago that the 1.6 crop bodies would merge, and got only one response, a negative one. Nevertheless, I agree that the X0D line and DRebel line will be the first to merge....

That 50 f/1.2 might interesting to play with.....$1200 street, and it's doable.


Without the XXD's build quality, this is not a merge at all - and if for some silly reason it is, it's a downgrade at best. No idea what you're talking about.



Aug 23, 2006 at 07:22 AM
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DutchGuy wrote:
Is it 24/08/06 anywhere in the World yet ?


Don't forget that Photokina doesn't begin until September 26!

http://www.photokina-cologne.com/

Canon is probably going to withhold most of its new announcements until then.



Aug 23, 2006 at 07:25 AM
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