RoamingScott wrote:
What is the benefit for Leica and IQ, if any, of them stripping out the PDAF that is already in the Sony sensor they are using?
The M11 base sensor doesn't actually have PDAF to start with, so Leica doesn't have to strip anything out for the M EV1 (based on the M11 sensor)...phase-detection pixels are only baked in for their autofocus lines like the SL3. Skipping PDAF entirely on the manual-focus M series is actually a win for image quality because it keeps the pixel matrix completely uniform. Without those split or masked phase-detection pixels, you avoid subtle digital artifacts or banding under harsh lighting, ensuring every single pixel delivers pure, micro-contrast and raw detail...so that's the direction Leica took with the M EV1. The Nikon Zf is an AF camera anyways, so PDAF was already there for AF and Nikon used that for focus confirmation. Now, how much degradation PDAF causes is debatable.
Fred Miranda wrote:
The M11 base sensor doesn't actually have PDAF to start with, so Leica doesn't have to strip anything out for the M EV1 (based on the M11 sensor)...phase-detection pixels are only baked in for their autofocus lines like the SL3. Skipping PDAF entirely on the manual-focus M series is actually a win for image quality because it keeps the pixel matrix completely uniform. Without those split or masked phase-detection pixels, you avoid subtle digital artifacts or banding under harsh lighting, ensuring every single pixel delivers pure, micro-contrast and raw detail...so that's the direction Leica took with the M EV1. The Nikon Zf is an AF camera anyways, so PDAF was already there for AF and Nikon used that for focus confirmation. Now, how much degradation PDAF causes is debatable....Show more →
The next logical question then, why does my now almost 8-year-old Canon EOS R have focus confirmation whereas the latest Leica SL3-P does not?
SlowDriver wrote:
The next logical question then, why does my now almost 8-year-old Canon EOS R have focus confirmation whereas the latest Leica SL3-P does not?
Bringing PDAF to the SL3 series (and something similar to Nikon/Canon focus confirmation) seems like a natural move, and it's probably something they could pull off via firmware. But engineering and rolling that out costs $, so Leica isn't likely going to just hand it out for free in an update. Maybe we'll see it in the SL4 instead.
Fred, is this confirming that the SL3-P does not have focus confirmation? In what way-no tiny square that turns green when in focus? Sold all my Sl cameras so cannot remember how I got focus confirmation on my SL3 and SL3-S.
I will echo the perception that Leica made a huge error with the pricing of the M-EV1. While I know their strategy relies on being a bespoke brand, the Rolex of cameras, but the EV1 could have been a gateway product that creates a new user base and consumer of Leica lenses.
The Q3 is currently priced at $7200. The Q3 is an M-EV1 with a Summilux lens, EV, and autofocus. If Leica sold the M-EV1 for $7200, they'd have people who might have opted for this, and then developed a market for lens sales. Furthermore, they could sell an M-EV1 w/ lens kit (28mm Elmarit, 35mm or 50mm Cron... buy pics) for the price of an M-11P, and I'll bet these would fly off the shelf. However, at the current price, I think the M-EV1 will end up being the "bargain" 60MP Leica of the future.
